Can someone give me the number to call to report boundary fraud?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Report it to the school. They are the ones that assess the enrollment paperwork.

(and yes it is fraud - it’s lying about your address to get a government benefit.)

I think many here are forgetting that fraud is fraud. Nobody is above the law, except for one person, maybe.

DC doesn't consider which school you go to to be a "government benefit", they consider the benefit to be any DC public or charter school. I understand you have a different legal theory. Cool. But it's not up to you.

lol go ahead and try it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the JR feeders are now just Deal and its elementary school feeders. few oob spots. it will probably in a pretty short time become much more unusual to go to JR but not live in the boundary.

I don't think it will become more unusual. Hill parents of strong MS students tend to be unhappy with how admissions to Walls has essentially become a lottery for B+/A students. Pre-pandemic, if your 8th grader could stand out in applying with high DC-PARRC or PSAT 8/9 and the Walls admission tests (English and math) scores, on top of a high GPA, they'd get in. No longer.

The new reality is that admissions to Walls is a real crap shoot, even for those doing decidedly advanced middle school work (mainly at BASIS and in privates). From what I'm hearing, the result is that boundary cheating EotP to access J-R is becoming more a little more prevalent. Arguably, DCPS and the Mayor (mainly the latter) have brought the problem on themselves: the Walls admission systems was more of an academic meritocracy just four years ago, before Bowser single-handedly nixed the two admissions tests.

It's really messed up that they gave lack of tests during COVID as the reason, never brought it back, and never even said anything about why.

Yes, messed up. When families lose faith in a system, they're less likely to play by the rules than before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Report it to the school. They are the ones that assess the enrollment paperwork.

(and yes it is fraud - it’s lying about your address to get a government benefit.)

I think many here are forgetting that fraud is fraud. Nobody is above the law, except for one person, maybe.

DC doesn't consider which school you go to to be a "government benefit", they consider the benefit to be any DC public or charter school. I understand you have a different legal theory. Cool. But it's not up to you.

It’s literally fraud to write down false information to gain a benefit (yes it is a benefit). But go ahead and try it and also tell the school what you are doing.

It's not up to you whether going to one school in DC over another counts as a benefit, it's up to DC. And we know what happens if families get caught -- they get kicked out.

What evidence can you provide that boundary cheaters with the paperwork to claim residency get kicked out? You can't provide the evidence because this isn't happening. You're conflating residency fraud on the part of non-DC residents (living in MD or VA) who aren't paying DC taxes (so no withholding) with DC residents who enroll as in-boundary residents when they may not live in-boundary but can provide paperwork showing that they do. The former can and do sometimes get kicked out; the latter don't, no matter who mayb be calling the hotline.

Ten or 15 years ago, before there were half a dozen decent Ward 6 DCPS elementary schools, it wasn't uncommon for parents with a couple houses in the neighborhood to use one they no longer lived in for residency for Maury, Watkins or Brent, and, later on, Ludlow. The place they used for residency was generally their small starter house, rented out or let relatives stay in later on. As far as I know after 30 years in Ward 6, nobody got kicked out for that. And there have always been a tiny number of CH families, I'm guessing two dozen, renting small places in Upper NW to access J-R. In the grand scheme of things, DCPS still doesn't put resources into stamping out boundary fraud because it's a small, cheap and politically fraught problem for them, with lots of AA students shuffled between relatives' places across school boundaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Report it to the school. They are the ones that assess the enrollment paperwork.

(and yes it is fraud - it’s lying about your address to get a government benefit.)

I think many here are forgetting that fraud is fraud. Nobody is above the law, except for one person, maybe.

DC doesn't consider which school you go to to be a "government benefit", they consider the benefit to be any DC public or charter school. I understand you have a different legal theory. Cool. But it's not up to you.

It’s literally fraud to write down false information to gain a benefit (yes it is a benefit). But go ahead and try it and also tell the school what you are doing.

It's not up to you whether going to one school in DC over another counts as a benefit, it's up to DC. And we know what happens if families get caught -- they get kicked out.

What evidence can you provide that boundary cheaters with the paperwork to claim residency get kicked out? You can't provide the evidence because this isn't happening. You're conflating residency fraud on the part of non-DC residents (living in MD or VA) who aren't paying DC taxes (so no withholding) with DC residents who enroll as in-boundary residents when they may not live in-boundary but can provide paperwork showing that they do. The former can and do sometimes get kicked out; the latter don't, no matter who mayb be calling the hotline.

Ten or 15 years ago, before there were half a dozen decent Ward 6 DCPS elementary schools, it wasn't uncommon for parents with a couple houses in the neighborhood to use one they no longer lived in for residency for Maury, Watkins or Brent, and, later on, Ludlow. The place they used for residency was generally their small starter house, rented out or let relatives stay in later on. As far as I know after 30 years in Ward 6, nobody got kicked out for that. And there have always been a tiny number of CH families, I'm guessing two dozen, renting small places in Upper NW to access J-R. In the grand scheme of things, DCPS still doesn't put resources into stamping out boundary fraud because it's a small, cheap and politically fraught problem for them, with lots of AA students shuffled between relatives' places across school boundaries.

MySchool DC was started in part to regularize the school admission process which before involved a lot of fraud and under the radar stuff by principals. Remember that a schools chancellor had to quit when he was caught gaming the system and enrolled his OOB child in Wilson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Report it to the school. They are the ones that assess the enrollment paperwork.

(and yes it is fraud - it’s lying about your address to get a government benefit.)

I think many here are forgetting that fraud is fraud. Nobody is above the law, except for one person, maybe.

DC doesn't consider which school you go to to be a "government benefit", they consider the benefit to be any DC public or charter school. I understand you have a different legal theory. Cool. But it's not up to you.

It’s literally fraud to write down false information to gain a benefit (yes it is a benefit). But go ahead and try it and also tell the school what you are doing.

It's not up to you whether going to one school in DC over another counts as a benefit, it's up to DC. And we know what happens if families get caught -- they get kicked out.

What evidence can you provide that boundary cheaters with the paperwork to claim residency get kicked out? You can't provide the evidence because this isn't happening. You're conflating residency fraud on the part of non-DC residents (living in MD or VA) who aren't paying DC taxes (so no withholding) with DC residents who enroll as in-boundary residents when they may not live in-boundary but can provide paperwork showing that they do. The former can and do sometimes get kicked out; the latter don't, no matter who mayb be calling the hotline.

Ten or 15 years ago, before there were half a dozen decent Ward 6 DCPS elementary schools, it wasn't uncommon for parents with a couple houses in the neighborhood to use one they no longer lived in for residency for Maury, Watkins or Brent, and, later on, Ludlow. The place they used for residency was generally their small starter house, rented out or let relatives stay in later on. As far as I know after 30 years in Ward 6, nobody got kicked out for that. And there have always been a tiny number of CH families, I'm guessing two dozen, renting small places in Upper NW to access J-R. In the grand scheme of things, DCPS still doesn't put resources into stamping out boundary fraud because it's a small, cheap and politically fraught problem for them, with lots of AA students shuffled between relatives' places across school boundaries.

OK, well, in the middle ground between "DC totally prosecutes people lying about where they live in DC", and "you could tell them when they're enrolling that you're lying on the paperwork", I'm going to take "if you tell them you're lying when you enroll, they will not let you enroll."

[Anonymous]

Except you genuinely live at the starter home when your kids start school and then later on during the elementary school years move to a larger home, the rules have always allowed keeping the students enrolled at the same school. That is often lost on this board (unknown by people who are impacted by that rule). DCPS does scrutinize JR enrollments not from Deal (and Hardy).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Except you genuinely live at the starter home when your kids start school and then later on during the elementary school years move to a larger home, the rules have always allowed keeping the students enrolled at the same school. That is often lost on this board (unknown by people who are impacted by that rule). DCPS does scrutinize JR enrollments not from Deal (and Hardy).

But only through the terminal grade of that school. You don’t get to go on to the MS and HS just because you send your kid to K in the IB school then moved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Except you genuinely live at the starter home when your kids start school and then later on during the elementary school years move to a larger home, the rules have always allowed keeping the students enrolled at the same school. That is often lost on this board (unknown by people who are impacted by that rule). DCPS does scrutinize JR enrollments not from Deal (and Hardy).

I don't think that's lost on anyone, most people in DC know this.

But we're not talking about that. We are talking about people who lie about their address upon their initial enrollment at a school, in order to get an IB spot despite not being IB. Not people who used to live IB but moved OOB.

[Anonymous]

You're painting with too broad a brush. The parents may not be lying when they enroll. They may live in the smaller house at that time, at least for a summer or whatever. If parents own the property, get some mail there, could survive a home visit, and have enough paperwork associated with it, DCPS doesn't want the headaches and costs associated with going at them.

IMHO, only an inveterate busybody with an axe to grind is going to fixate on the situation of such parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're painting with too broad a brush. The parents may not be lying when they enroll. They may live in the smaller house at that time, at least for a summer or whatever. If parents own the property, get some mail there, could survive a home visit, and have enough paperwork associated with it, DCPS doesn't want the headaches and costs associated with going at them.

IMHO, only an inveterate busybody with an axe to grind is going to fixate on the situation of such parents.

That’s still fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Report it to the school. They are the ones that assess the enrollment paperwork.

(and yes it is fraud - it’s lying about your address to get a government benefit.)

I think many here are forgetting that fraud is fraud. Nobody is above the law, except for one person, maybe.

DC doesn't consider which school you go to to be a "government benefit", they consider the benefit to be any DC public or charter school. I understand you have a different legal theory. Cool. But it's not up to you.

It’s literally fraud to write down false information to gain a benefit (yes it is a benefit). But go ahead and try it and also tell the school what you are doing.

It's not up to you whether going to one school in DC over another counts as a benefit, it's up to DC. And we know what happens if families get caught -- they get kicked out.

What evidence can you provide that boundary cheaters with the paperwork to claim residency get kicked out? You can't provide the evidence because this isn't happening. You're conflating residency fraud on the part of non-DC residents (living in MD or VA) who aren't paying DC taxes (so no withholding) with DC residents who enroll as in-boundary residents when they may not live in-boundary but can provide paperwork showing that they do. The former can and do sometimes get kicked out; the latter don't, no matter who mayb be calling the hotline.

Ten or 15 years ago, before there were half a dozen decent Ward 6 DCPS elementary schools, it wasn't uncommon for parents with a couple houses in the neighborhood to use one they no longer lived in for residency for Maury, Watkins or Brent, and, later on, Ludlow. The place they used for residency was generally their small starter house, rented out or let relatives stay in later on. As far as I know after 30 years in Ward 6, nobody got kicked out for that. And there have always been a tiny number of CH families, I'm guessing two dozen, renting small places in Upper NW to access J-R. In the grand scheme of things, DCPS still doesn't put resources into stamping out boundary fraud because it's a small, cheap and politically fraught problem for them, with lots of AA students shuffled between relatives' places across school boundaries.

MySchool DC was started in part to regularize the school admission process which before involved a lot of fraud and under the radar stuff by principals. Remember that a schools chancellor had to quit when he was caught gaming the system and enrolled his OOB child in Wilson.

IIRC what kicked this off was Ellington shadiness (which makes a lot of sense! There’s nothing like Ellington in Ward 9)

[Anonymous]

Yes but you genuinely live in-bounds at the time if the prek3 lottery but move oob a year later isnt. classmate families might years later be confused to learn you live oob because they dont always know the difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes but you genuinely live in-bounds at the time if the prek3 lottery but move oob a year later isnt. classmate families might years later be confused to learn you live oob because they dont always know the difference.

Again, once you finish the terminal grade in that school (usually 5th in elementary), you now must go to your new IB school. That didn’t used to always be the case, but I believe it is now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes but you genuinely live in-bounds at the time if the prek3 lottery but move oob a year later isnt. classmate families might years later be confused to learn you live oob because they dont always know the difference.

Again, once you finish the terminal grade in that school (usually 5th in elementary), you now must go to your new IB school. That didn’t used to always be the case, but I believe it is now.

The regulations have always said yhe same thing, and that's that your rights go through the terminal grade. DCPS's interpretation of the regulation varies year to year.

Meanwhile, DCPS doesn't track the info to distinguish whether an OOB student matriculating from a feeder got in through the lottery or moved from in-bounds to OOB.

[Anonymous]

middle school is also a little bit different. charters only have lottery spaces. all of the dcps schools that arent deal have some lottery spaces. im not sure myschool even lets you lottery in you are in 5th at a feeder.