Can someone give me the number to call to report boundary fraud?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes but you genuinely live in-bounds at the time if the prek3 lottery but move oob a year later isnt. classmate families might years later be confused to learn you live oob because they dont always know the difference.

Again, once you finish the terminal grade in that school (usually 5th in elementary), you now must go to your new IB school. That didn’t used to always be the case, but I believe it is now.

The regulations have always said yhe same thing, and that's that your rights go through the terminal grade. DCPS's interpretation of the regulation varies year to year.

Meanwhile, DCPS doesn't track the info to distinguish whether an OOB student matriculating from a feeder got in through the lottery or moved from in-bounds to OOB.

This is why DCPS needs to get rid of feeder rights. It should be that for 6th and 9th that everyone IB gets in and then the lottery fills any remaining spaces.

[Anonymous]

That seems logical.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the kid lives in DC and the school has approved their residency paperwork in some capacity, there is basically no remedy.

If the kid lives OUTSIDE DC, https://dc-osse-oer.i-sight.com/portal

Thank you for answering and not being a dick like everyone else.

To the others, the only number I could find of Google was for residency fraud, not boundary fraud. I thought I’d seen a number posted on here in the past so when I couldn’t find an answer on my own I thought I’d ask. Sorry to disappoint and imply I’m some weirdo who gets off on asking a question for reasons other than getting an answer. I’ve been reading this board for 13+ years and always thought most people didn’t support boundary fraud. Guess morals on this have gone the same way as the rest of the morals on this country.

The reason you only found a number for residency fraud is that "boundary fraud" in the context of DCPS exists solely on DCUM and nowhere else.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the kid lives in DC and the school has approved their residency paperwork in some capacity, there is basically no remedy.

If the kid lives OUTSIDE DC, https://dc-osse-oer.i-sight.com/portal

Thank you for answering and not being a dick like everyone else.

To the others, the only number I could find of Google was for residency fraud, not boundary fraud. I thought I’d seen a number posted on here in the past so when I couldn’t find an answer on my own I thought I’d ask. Sorry to disappoint and imply I’m some weirdo who gets off on asking a question for reasons other than getting an answer. I’ve been reading this board for 13+ years and always thought most people didn’t support boundary fraud. Guess morals on this have gone the same way as the rest of the morals on this country.

The reason you only found a number for residency fraud is that "boundary fraud" in the context of DCPS exists solely on DCUM and nowhere else.

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Do you think they have you verify your address and have IB zones and the lottery just for funsies?

[Anonymous]

I hope they take your information when you call and share it with the affected family. Otherwise you’re likely committing slander without the other person being aware.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the JR feeders are now just Deal and its elementary school feeders. few oob spots. it will probably in a pretty short time become much more unusual to go to JR but not live in the boundary.

I don't think it will become more unusual. Hill parents of strong MS students tend to be unhappy with how admissions to Walls has essentially become a lottery for B+/A students. Pre-pandemic, if your 8th grader could stand out in applying with high DC-PARRC or PSAT 8/9 and the Walls admission tests (English and math) scores, on top of a high GPA, they'd get in. No longer.

The new reality is that admissions to Walls is a real crap shoot, even for those doing decidedly advanced middle school work (mainly at BASIS and in privates). From what I'm hearing, the result is that boundary cheating EotP to access J-R is becoming more a little more prevalent. Arguably, DCPS and the Mayor (mainly the latter) have brought the problem on themselves: the Walls admission systems was more of an academic meritocracy just four years ago, before Bowser single-handedly nixed the two admissions tests.

I am conflicted on this. While I am in favor of acceptance on the merits, I would be pissed as a taxpayer to fund a school where due to my lack of decent elementary and middle schools, that my kid would be effectively shut out of admission.

It’s hard to know the answer…increase property tax rates in Wards that can best take advantage of a school like this…curve admissions test scoring to reflect the neighborhood of the kid applying (SAT tried to do this and made an announcement but ended up abandoning the approach…can’t remember why)? Maybe agree that 75% of the slots go to highest test score and then 25% go to under represented Wards and offered to top 3% (with any kids that don’t take the offer filled with highest test score kids)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the JR feeders are now just Deal and its elementary school feeders. few oob spots. it will probably in a pretty short time become much more unusual to go to JR but not live in the boundary.

I don't think it will become more unusual. Hill parents of strong MS students tend to be unhappy with how admissions to Walls has essentially become a lottery for B+/A students. Pre-pandemic, if your 8th grader could stand out in applying with high DC-PARRC or PSAT 8/9 and the Walls admission tests (English and math) scores, on top of a high GPA, they'd get in. No longer.

The new reality is that admissions to Walls is a real crap shoot, even for those doing decidedly advanced middle school work (mainly at BASIS and in privates). From what I'm hearing, the result is that boundary cheating EotP to access J-R is becoming more a little more prevalent. Arguably, DCPS and the Mayor (mainly the latter) have brought the problem on themselves: the Walls admission systems was more of an academic meritocracy just four years ago, before Bowser single-handedly nixed the two admissions tests.

I am conflicted on this. While I am in favor of acceptance on the merits, I would be pissed as a taxpayer to fund a school where due to my lack of decent elementary and middle schools, that my kid would be effectively shut out of admission.

It’s hard to know the answer…increase property tax rates in Wards that can best take advantage of a school like this…curve admissions test scoring to reflect the neighborhood of the kid applying (SAT tried to do this and made an announcement but ended up abandoning the approach…can’t remember why)? Maybe agree that 75% of the slots go to highest test score and then 25% go to under represented Wards and offered to top 3% (with any kids that don’t take the offer filled with highest test score kids)?

No, the answer is not using screwy plans for HS admissions that undermine the whole point of having very highly prepared, highly motivated kids in a high school that serves them well.

The answer is to solve the rigor problem earlier. Use tracking or magnet schools in ES, or latest MS, especially in schools where most kids are below grade level.

Fix the under-teaching gap early rather than guessing what kids 'should have been' competitive for Walls, which serves no one well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the kid lives in DC and the school has approved their residency paperwork in some capacity, there is basically no remedy.

If the kid lives OUTSIDE DC, https://dc-osse-oer.i-sight.com/portal

Thank you for answering and not being a dick like everyone else.

To the others, the only number I could find of Google was for residency fraud, not boundary fraud. I thought I’d seen a number posted on here in the past so when I couldn’t find an answer on my own I thought I’d ask. Sorry to disappoint and imply I’m some weirdo who gets off on asking a question for reasons other than getting an answer. I’ve been reading this board for 13+ years and always thought most people didn’t support boundary fraud. Guess morals on this have gone the same way as the rest of the morals on this country.

The reason you only found a number for residency fraud is that "boundary fraud" in the context of DCPS exists solely on DCUM and nowhere else.

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Do you think they have you verify your address and have IB zones and the lottery just for funsies?

This. Unless I can walk into any school in the city and enroll my kid, without lying about where we live, boundary fraud exists. DCPS may not prioritize it for enforcement but it's still illegal. DC also doesn't prioritize enforcement of laws prohibiting drinking and smoking pot on the sidewalk, but it's still illegal and can be a problem. DC doesn't do a good job of getting dangerous drivers off the street but they are still a problem. There are a lot of laws in DC that are not well enforced but they are still the law and a good citizen won't break them even if they feel confident they won't get got or punished.

[Anonymous]

Replace "DC" with any state/government agency in the world and the last sentence would still be true.

Even a "good citizen" will at times pass cars and enter an exit lane at the last moment in a traffic jam, or submit tax returns that aren't 100% accurate. We all push the envelope in life, especially when knowing that crossing the line may go unpunished.

[Anonymous]

Just another sanctimonious post that does us no good. The boundary cheating problem can be solved but only if the underlying causes are identified, studied and addressed intelligently. As for keeping Walls open to the DCPS loyalists who aren’t terribly well prepared, don’t fret. It’s easier to crack Walls from a DCPS middle school than a charter or private.

[Anonymous]

The replace post is reasonable. The sanctimonious post is two up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Replace "DC" with any state/government agency in the world and the last sentence would still be true.

Even a "good citizen" will at times pass cars and enter an exit lane at the last moment in a traffic jam, or submit tax returns that aren't 100% accurate. We all push the envelope in life, especially when knowing that crossing the line may go unpunished.

Late line-cutters in traffic are selfish people.

For the people who do it rarely because of a special situation, fine.

But that's peanuts - momentary and minor - compared to turning in paperwork you know is gaming the system and then showing up at a school for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just another sanctimonious post that does us no good. The boundary cheating problem can be solved but only if the underlying causes are identified, studied and addressed intelligently. As for keeping Walls open to the DCPS loyalists who aren’t terribly well prepared, don’t fret. It’s easier to crack Walls from a DCPS middle school than a charter or private.

You are confused about the causes? It's really not that hard.

[Anonymous]

DCPS has been going downhill for a few years now and it is just getting worst. The whole equity and race to the bottom helps no one. Why try to game a system with such mediocre schools as their “best”?

If you don’t get into one of few decent charters (DCI, Basis, Latin), just move to the close in burbs or get an apartment there rent out your DC place. Schools are much better overall, run better, and better serve the higher performing kids.

Poof, then you have a secure pyramid and no further worries about lottery, schools, etc..Plus the state college optiins are so much better too.

Done. Then you can move on with other important things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:turning in paperwork you know is gaming the system and then showing up at a school for years

You know full well that we live in a capitalist society where gaming the system is heavily incentivized if not outright encouraged.

Adapt, or get out of the way. Do I hate that things are like this? Of course. But I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face.