As a Jew, I’m terrified

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean historically women, children, brown skinned people, disabled, autistic, lgbtq, have been crucified. What should we do about this? Should each of these categories have their own safe spaces somewhere? Are these groups treated well compared to jewish people in the US?

Did you know!! Jews can be women, children, brown skinned, disabled, lgbtq, and autistic!!

Yes but if we categorize people only based on the above in the current US. It varies, a white jewish man would probably be safer in the inner city at night than a a small autistic white woman correct? Or no? How about a black man verses a white jewish woman in rural white Alabama?

[Anonymous]

Here’s the issue in a nutshell …

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department was forced to issue an apology recently after a benign tweet expressing concern for the victims and families of the recent war initiated against Iran, and indicating that they are working with partner agencies to monitor the situation locally to ensure the safety of the residents served by their department.

Los Angeles happens to be home to the largest population of Iranian emigres in the U.S., so the tweet made sense from a community awareness perspective. As a point of reference, the same agency has also tweeted (dozens of times over the past two years) expressing similar thoughts and concerns regarding the area’s Jewish community.

But of course … of course … of course … the AIPAC / ADL / Betar / Canary Mission / Laura Loomer / Ben Shapiro / Mark Levin / corrupted members of Congress dream team immediately sprung into action to demand a retraction and apology, with critics focused on the post’s insensitivity to Israel’s interests.

Ultimately, I fail to see how peace is achievable when the interests of one small group continue to be forced center stage at every juncture. And as long as that lack of peace continues, unfortunately, I suspect that individuals like the OP will likely continue to experience some level of fear - through no fault of their own. And that sucks.

[Anonymous]

How about a lgbtq blasian autistic with leg amputations? Are they safer in the US than a white Jewish male banker?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean historically women, children, brown skinned people, disabled, autistic, lgbtq, have been crucified. What should we do about this? Should each of these categories have their own safe spaces somewhere? Are these groups treated well compared to jewish people in the US?

Did you know!! Jews can be women, children, brown skinned, disabled, lgbtq, and autistic!!

And if the above are jewish as well the negative experience must be just tenfold what the nonjew version would experience. It would have to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean historically women, children, brown skinned people, disabled, autistic, lgbtq, have been crucified. What should we do about this? Should each of these categories have their own safe spaces somewhere? Are these groups treated well compared to jewish people in the US?

Did you know!! Jews can be women, children, brown skinned, disabled, lgbtq, and autistic!!

Yes but if we categorize people only based on the above in the current US. It varies, a white jewish man would probably be safer in the inner city at night than a a small autistic white woman correct? Or no? How about a black man verses a white jewish woman in rural white Alabama?

I have no idea what point you are trying to make and not sure I care to figure it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the issue in a nutshell …

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department was forced to issue an apology recently after a benign tweet expressing concern for the victims and families of the recent war initiated against Iran, and indicating that they are working with partner agencies to monitor the situation locally to ensure the safety of the residents served by their department.

Los Angeles happens to be home to the largest population of Iranian emigres in the U.S., so the tweet made sense from a community awareness perspective. As a point of reference, the same agency has also tweeted (dozens of times over the past two years) expressing similar thoughts and concerns regarding the area’s Jewish community.

But of course … of course … of course … the AIPAC / ADL / Betar / Canary Mission / Laura Loomer / Ben Shapiro / Mark Levin / corrupted members of Congress dream team immediately sprung into action to demand a retraction and apology, with critics focused on the post’s insensitivity to Israel’s interests.

Ultimately, I fail to see how peace is achievable when the interests of one small group continue to be forced center stage at every juncture. And as long as that lack of peace continues, unfortunately, I suspect that individuals like the OP will likely continue to experience some level of fear - through no fault of their own. And that sucks.

In a nutshell that means that antisemitism doesn’t exist?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean historically women, children, brown skinned people, disabled, autistic, lgbtq, have been crucified. What should we do about this? Should each of these categories have their own safe spaces somewhere? Are these groups treated well compared to jewish people in the US?

Did you know!! Jews can be women, children, brown skinned, disabled, lgbtq, and autistic!!

Yes but if we categorize people only based on the above in the current US. It varies, a white jewish man would probably be safer in the inner city at night than a a small autistic white woman correct? Or no? How about a black man verses a white jewish woman in rural white Alabama?

I have no idea what point you are trying to make and not sure I care to figure it out.

Point is that in most settings, most jewish americans appear to be white people, even if they wear a star of David, they are viewed by many as white people. White appearing men, jewish men, don’t strike me as being targets for violent crimes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean historically women, children, brown skinned people, disabled, autistic, lgbtq, have been crucified. What should we do about this? Should each of these categories have their own safe spaces somewhere? Are these groups treated well compared to jewish people in the US?

Did you know!! Jews can be women, children, brown skinned, disabled, lgbtq, and autistic!!

Yes but if we categorize people only based on the above in the current US. It varies, a white jewish man would probably be safer in the inner city at night than a a small autistic white woman correct? Or no? How about a black man verses a white jewish woman in rural white Alabama?

I have no idea what point you are trying to make and not sure I care to figure it out.

Point is that in most settings, most jewish americans appear to be white people, even if they wear a star of David, they are viewed by many as white people. White appearing men, jewish men, don’t strike me as being targets for violent crimes.

Or I should clarify, as far as being targets for violent crimes white american jewish bros tend to be very low risk I would think compared to other groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jews gravitate towards and support Israel because they want a designated nation to be with their own kind. There exists a kinship like none other. This is somewhat insulting to the rest of us out here in the diaspora. We welcome you but you still feel stronger ties to your own kind. Other ethnicities are called racists and bigots for similar ethnocentric beliefs.

Most older Jews have strong feelings about Israel because they have personal ties to the Holocaust, and before that shtetls in Europe, and after that general antisemitism like not allowing Jews to live in certain neighborhoods, join clubs, etc... This is why support for Israel is greater in older generations of Jews (as well as older politicians like Biden). Younger Jews have not grown up with much antisemitism. It is not because we want to "be with our kind," although I suppose most ethnic groups like this sometimes. It is based in fear and distrust of non-Jews based on history.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean historically women, children, brown skinned people, disabled, autistic, lgbtq, have been crucified. What should we do about this? Should each of these categories have their own safe spaces somewhere? Are these groups treated well compared to jewish people in the US?

Did you know!! Jews can be women, children, brown skinned, disabled, lgbtq, and autistic!!

Yes but if we categorize people only based on the above in the current US. It varies, a white jewish man would probably be safer in the inner city at night than a a small autistic white woman correct? Or no? How about a black man verses a white jewish woman in rural white Alabama?

I have no idea what point you are trying to make and not sure I care to figure it out.

Point is that in most settings, most jewish americans appear to be white people, even if they wear a star of David, they are viewed by many as white people. White appearing men, jewish men, don’t strike me as being targets for violent crimes.

Or I should clarify, as far as being targets for violent crimes white american jewish bros tend to be very low risk I would think compared to other groups.

You would think. But you would be wrong, as has been made clear multiple times in this thread. The actual cold hard facts/statistics bear out that Jews are more likely to be victims of hate crimes than members of other groups. And I’m not talking about “criticism of Israel.” That is not a hate crime or a crime of any kind, and the FBI is certainly not categorizing it as such.

Idk why this is so hard for people to grasp. Yes, it may be a harder to immediately discern when someone is Jewish as opposed to black, Asian, etc. But that doesn’t mean Jews are safe or that it’s impossible to target them unless they stand in the middle of the street wearing an “I’m a Jew” sign. Literally millions of Jews were slaughtered despite many of them trying to actively conceal/disavow their identities. And that was in the 1940s!! Before DNA testing, AI, widespread surveillance, total loss of privacy online, all our personal info being stored in databases, etc. And that’s if all Jews go underground and cease to engage in any public expression of their religion whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the issue in a nutshell …

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department was forced to issue an apology recently after a benign tweet expressing concern for the victims and families of the recent war initiated against Iran, and indicating that they are working with partner agencies to monitor the situation locally to ensure the safety of the residents served by their department.

Los Angeles happens to be home to the largest population of Iranian emigres in the U.S., so the tweet made sense from a community awareness perspective. As a point of reference, the same agency has also tweeted (dozens of times over the past two years) expressing similar thoughts and concerns regarding the area’s Jewish community.

But of course … of course … of course … the AIPAC / ADL / Betar / Canary Mission / Laura Loomer / Ben Shapiro / Mark Levin / corrupted members of Congress dream team immediately sprung into action to demand a retraction and apology, with critics focused on the post’s insensitivity to Israel’s interests.

Ultimately, I fail to see how peace is achievable when the interests of one small group continue to be forced center stage at every juncture. And as long as that lack of peace continues, unfortunately, I suspect that individuals like the OP will likely continue to experience some level of fear - through no fault of their own. And that sucks.

The majority of Jews in the US hate people like Laura Loomer and Ben Shapiro. Those people speak for REPUBLICANS. Not for Jews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jews gravitate towards and support Israel because they want a designated nation to be with their own kind. There exists a kinship like none other. This is somewhat insulting to the rest of us out here in the diaspora. We welcome you but you still feel stronger ties to your own kind. Other ethnicities are called racists and bigots for similar ethnocentric beliefs.

Most older Jews have strong feelings about Israel because they have personal ties to the Holocaust, and before that shtetls in Europe, and after that general antisemitism like not allowing Jews to live in certain neighborhoods, join clubs, etc... This is why support for Israel is greater in older generations of Jews (as well as older politicians like Biden). Younger Jews have not grown up with much antisemitism. It is not because we want to "be with our kind," although I suppose most ethnic groups like this sometimes. It is based in fear and distrust of non-Jews based on history.

Viewing this from a modern day secular nonjewish lens could appear as ethnocentrism and only some ethnicities are allowed to practice this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean historically women, children, brown skinned people, disabled, autistic, lgbtq, have been crucified. What should we do about this? Should each of these categories have their own safe spaces somewhere? Are these groups treated well compared to jewish people in the US?

Did you know!! Jews can be women, children, brown skinned, disabled, lgbtq, and autistic!!

Yes but if we categorize people only based on the above in the current US. It varies, a white jewish man would probably be safer in the inner city at night than a a small autistic white woman correct? Or no? How about a black man verses a white jewish woman in rural white Alabama?

I have no idea what point you are trying to make and not sure I care to figure it out.

Point is that in most settings, most jewish americans appear to be white people, even if they wear a star of David, they are viewed by many as white people. White appearing men, jewish men, don’t strike me as being targets for violent crimes.

Or I should clarify, as far as being targets for violent crimes white american jewish bros tend to be very low risk I would think compared to other groups.

You would think. But you would be wrong, as has been made clear multiple times in this thread. The actual cold hard facts/statistics bear out that Jews are more likely to be victims of hate crimes than members of other groups. And I’m not talking about “criticism of Israel.” That is not a hate crime or a crime of any kind, and the FBI is certainly not categorizing it as such.

Idk why this is so hard for people to grasp. Yes, it may be a harder to immediately discern when someone is Jewish as opposed to black, Asian, etc. But that doesn’t mean Jews are safe or that it’s impossible to target them unless they stand in the middle of the street wearing an “I’m a Jew” sign. Literally millions of Jews were slaughtered despite many of them trying to actively conceal/disavow their identities. And that was in the 1940s!! Before DNA testing, AI, widespread surveillance, total loss of privacy online, all our personal info being stored in databases, etc. And that’s if all Jews go underground and cease to engage in any public expression of their religion whatsoever.

But is the average jewish Joe at higher risk of a targeted hate crime/violence than a nonjewish woman, child, lgbtq, disabled person, autistic, brown skinned person? I would think not generally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I mean historically women, children, brown skinned people, disabled, autistic, lgbtq, have been crucified. What should we do about this? Should each of these categories have their own safe spaces somewhere? Are these groups treated well compared to jewish people in the US?

Did you know!! Jews can be women, children, brown skinned, disabled, lgbtq, and autistic!!

Yes but if we categorize people only based on the above in the current US. It varies, a white jewish man would probably be safer in the inner city at night than a a small autistic white woman correct? Or no? How about a black man verses a white jewish woman in rural white Alabama?

I have no idea what point you are trying to make and not sure I care to figure it out.

Point is that in most settings, most jewish americans appear to be white people, even if they wear a star of David, they are viewed by many as white people. White appearing men, jewish men, don’t strike me as being targets for violent crimes.

Or I should clarify, as far as being targets for violent crimes white american jewish bros tend to be very low risk I would think compared to other groups.

You would think. But you would be wrong, as has been made clear multiple times in this thread. The actual cold hard facts/statistics bear out that Jews are more likely to be victims of hate crimes than members of other groups. And I’m not talking about “criticism of Israel.” That is not a hate crime or a crime of any kind, and the FBI is certainly not categorizing it as such.

Idk why this is so hard for people to grasp. Yes, it may be a harder to immediately discern when someone is Jewish as opposed to black, Asian, etc. But that doesn’t mean Jews are safe or that it’s impossible to target them unless they stand in the middle of the street wearing an “I’m a Jew” sign. Literally millions of Jews were slaughtered despite many of them trying to actively conceal/disavow their identities. And that was in the 1940s!! Before DNA testing, AI, widespread surveillance, total loss of privacy online, all our personal info being stored in databases, etc. And that’s if all Jews go underground and cease to engage in any public expression of their religion whatsoever.

Right. But the kind of antisemitism Jews are dealing with today is not that kind of antisemitism. The GOVERNMENT IS doing and/or trying to do that kind of stuff to some groups--some of whom also happen to be Jewish. But our government is not targeting Jewish people. In fact, as much as I hate our current government and think most of the things they're doing in the name of protecting Jews is complete BS and really just trying to stick it to liberal institutions, you could more argue that they are trying to protect Jews.

The kind of antisemitism Jews are dealing with today is 1. Small number of extremists/crazy people etc.... and 2. Larger group of people who have developed (or always had) negative feelings toward Jews. But that mostly comes out online.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jews gravitate towards and support Israel because they want a designated nation to be with their own kind. There exists a kinship like none other. This is somewhat insulting to the rest of us out here in the diaspora. We welcome you but you still feel stronger ties to your own kind. Other ethnicities are called racists and bigots for similar ethnocentric beliefs.

Most older Jews have strong feelings about Israel because they have personal ties to the Holocaust, and before that shtetls in Europe, and after that general antisemitism like not allowing Jews to live in certain neighborhoods, join clubs, etc... This is why support for Israel is greater in older generations of Jews (as well as older politicians like Biden). Younger Jews have not grown up with much antisemitism. It is not because we want to "be with our kind," although I suppose most ethnic groups like this sometimes. It is based in fear and distrust of non-Jews based on history.

Viewing this from a modern day secular nonjewish lens could appear as ethnocentrism and only some ethnicities are allowed to practice this.

I don't really know what that means. I'm just telling you what a lot of older Jews feel. I am a young gen x Jew and my feelings about Israel tend to be unusually critical for the people my age I know. But more on track with millennial Jews. My gen z daughter has zero feelings of interest in Israel, but admittedly I did not encourage or discourage them.