What exactly is the democratic party going to stand for in 2026 and 2028?

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Anonymous wrote:Vance isn't Trump. I think Vance actually believes his "America first" ideas. Trump doesn't believe in anything.

Trump cobbled together enough support to win the election using humor, vaguely promising he was an anti-war option, and letting people believe he supported whatever was their number 1 issue.

Plus Trump won against an inadequate candidate with limited time to prepare because the people around Biden committed elder abuse and let a man with advanced cancer and cognitive decline try ro run again. All against a backdrop of democrats becomimg insanely unpopular since covid overreach.

That won't line up like that for Vance.

While I agree with your middle paragraph discounting the opposition candidate is what got us into this mess in the first place. I saw a pretty impressive Vance in the VP debate and his family is lovely and multi cultural. Accusing him of being racist is just not the play here. Sorry.

Vance is very impressive and more importantly, look at the entire thread.

There is no one being put forward as a democratic candidate here who stands a chance.

Gavin? The land of trans girls taking the podium in state sport championships and high taxes? AOC? None of these are happening.

I bet you thought Trump would win in 2020 and you thought Mondale would win in 1984 and you thought Pence and Harris would excel in their post VP careers.... by 2028, Vance will be as popular as Pence was in 2020 and Harris was in 2024. If you don't understand this very simple logic based on historical facts, just stop embarrassing yourself.

Mondale is before my time so no.

We will just have to wait and see but given the pathetic offerings by the Dem party as candidates, and the GOP’s current polling, I am not concerned.

You should be.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance isn't Trump. I think Vance actually believes his "America first" ideas. Trump doesn't believe in anything.

Trump cobbled together enough support to win the election using humor, vaguely promising he was an anti-war option, and letting people believe he supported whatever was their number 1 issue.

Plus Trump won against an inadequate candidate with limited time to prepare because the people around Biden committed elder abuse and let a man with advanced cancer and cognitive decline try ro run again. All against a backdrop of democrats becomimg insanely unpopular since covid overreach.

That won't line up like that for Vance.

While I agree with your middle paragraph discounting the opposition candidate is what got us into this mess in the first place. I saw a pretty impressive Vance in the VP debate and his family is lovely and multi cultural. Accusing him of being racist is just not the play here. Sorry.

Vance is very impressive and more importantly, look at the entire thread.

There is no one being put forward as a democratic candidate here who stands a chance.

Gavin? The land of trans girls taking the podium in state sport championships and high taxes? AOC? None of these are happening.

I bet you thought Trump would win in 2020 and you thought Mondale would win in 1984 and you thought Pence and Harris would excel in their post VP careers.... by 2028, Vance will be as popular as Pence was in 2020 and Harris was in 2024. If you don't understand this very simple logic based on historical facts, just stop embarrassing yourself.

Mondale is before my time so no.

We will just have to wait and see but given the pathetic offerings by the Dem party as candidates, and the GOP’s current polling, I am not concerned.

You should be.

The Dems won with a pathetic candidate in 2020. The GOP won with a pathetic candidate in 2024. This isn't some complicated political science formula only an Einstein could figure out. This is an obvious and very explainable trend a 3rd grader can figure out.

The swing voters who determine national elections are attracted to "change" from status quo when there is historically unpopular leadership in The White House as we've had since 2017. The GOP will not be able to deliver that "change" in 2028. This will all start to make sense to you eventually as American sentiment continues to sour on Trump during his second term (just as it did his first term and just as it did during Biden's term).

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Anonymous wrote:No Democrat politician has ever rejected their open border policies. Those who did, first fled to become Republicans.

exactly. we will remember. Democrats will lose again in 2028

And we will remember your Union busting, tearing down Medicare, Obamacare, and Medicaid. Your war on Social Security since 1935. Your hatred of minorities and all-consuming racism and misogyny. Your embrace of violence and guns, and your love affair with fascism. How you tanked the world’s strongest economy with feeble-minded tariffs, and tore down a scientific infrastructure that was the envy of the world.

And when we return to power you damn well better shut your mouths and go back to your f*king caves.

How will democrats win an election when Americans don’t want unfettered illegal immigration and boys competing with girls in sporting events?

Those are such RWNJ lies!

There was never so-called “unfettered illegal immigration” on our southern border; only some asylum seekers.

The Biden administration was getting a handle on it, and even created an excellent app to register everyone.

While I support immigration I can also admit that the increase in migrants to the northern blue states were stressing resources. Governors in MA and NY repeatedly sent letters to President Biden asking him to take action and he (or his decision makers) ignored those calls.

While I agree the GOP blows everything out of proportion. Telling ourselves there wasn’t a capacity absorption issue is just silly.

If Biden were to have figured out a faster path to citizenship for the asylum seekers and mechanism for placing them in jobs we were trying to fill equally across the country while also limiting inflow so we had time to absorb the new arrivals that would have been a winning strategy as the vast vast majority of asylum seekers are not violent gang members and our country needs younger workers to help pay into social security and Medicare.

Why are you using vast vast majority as a measure? How many people did it take to execute 9/11m

If Biden "figured out a faster path", it would be like Rome importing armies from countries throughout the world to protect it with no allegiance .... how'd that turn out?

So Trump is acting like a "king"? How do you people not see the irony? Anything to support the bottom layers of the pyramid schemes of SS and Medicare, right?

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It doesn't seem like democrats are going to adjust their platform at all. They seem to be doubling down, if anything. They are spending millions to learn "how to talk to young men," learning their slang in a "hello fellow kids" way. That means they are going to be consistent with their issues but adjust their messaging a bit. Probably this time, they won't hire a bunch of gay actors to pretend to be straight white men and say hilarious things like "I'm man enough to vote for Kamala Harris."

Dem top issues will remain the same: trans, gay, race quotas, the patriarchy, white women as "the problem," Palestine, protesting as the peak expression of politics, and getting more women to have abortions.

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They are for trans women and illegal immigration. Full stop. And they see no reason to course correct.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem like democrats are going to adjust their platform at all. They seem to be doubling down, if anything. They are spending millions to learn "how to talk to young men," learning their slang in a "hello fellow kids" way. That means they are going to be consistent with their issues but adjust their messaging a bit. Probably this time, they won't hire a bunch of gay actors to pretend to be straight white men and say hilarious things like "I'm man enough to vote for Kamala Harris."

Dem top issues will remain the same: trans, gay, race quotas, the patriarchy, white women as "the problem," Palestine, protesting as the peak expression of politics, and getting more women to have abortions.

I doubt any viable contenders for the 2028 Dem nomination will share your list of "top Dem issues" but even if they do, the 2028 Dem nominee will still be the favorite to win the 2028 election thanks to who will be the sitting POTUS on Election Day 2028.

For the sake of the country, I hope Trump's second term ends with his job performance being approved of by at least the 47% of Americans polling average history tells us is required to give the incumbent party a chance but let's not pretend that's likely to happen. Going with the safer assumption of Trump being as unpopular in 2028 as he was in 2020, the Dems will be able to beat the Trump endorsed 2028 GOP nominee with any old and angry washed-up politician just as they did in 2020. This being said; let's hope for both parties putting forth truly presidential caliber nominees in 2028 like they routinely used to. This swapping out old bags of bones every four years is tiring.

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Anonymous wrote:So it’s been pretty clear over the past few days that Trump is losing, and his administration is losing. For the most part, the courts are deciding for the people, and he has been publicly humiliated by both people in the country and his daddy Vlad in response to this The guys are out in full force, and their butts have been assigned and have multiplied everywhere. That is why you were suddenly seeing so many replies in this thread and others and elsewhere on the Internet let’s be clear all these post in a row don’t show that Trump is winning. It’s a response to his losing.

Oops, some voice to text issues there. In any case, fellow Democrats keep up the good work! You’re keeping the chuds up at night.

Meanwhile, voters have repeatedly rejected the democratic agenda while democrats call them ignorant racists and pretend Putin/russia is making them lose.

It’s ridiculous.

Also: Biden was jet lagged during the debate and hale and hearty and healthy when he consistently wore sneakers instead of men’s leather shoes as he went about his presidential duties.

All the videos of Biden falling up and downstairs, on steps, off of a bike, freezing and wandering with dead eyes, were “cheap fakes.”

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem like democrats are going to adjust their platform at all. They seem to be doubling down, if anything. They are spending millions to learn "how to talk to young men," learning their slang in a "hello fellow kids" way. That means they are going to be consistent with their issues but adjust their messaging a bit. Probably this time, they won't hire a bunch of gay actors to pretend to be straight white men and say hilarious things like "I'm man enough to vote for Kamala Harris."

Dem top issues will remain the same: trans, gay, race quotas, the patriarchy, white women as "the problem," Palestine, protesting as the peak expression of politics, and getting more women to have abortions.

I doubt any viable contenders for the 2028 Dem nomination will share your list of "top Dem issues" but even if they do, the 2028 Dem nominee will still be the favorite to win the 2028 election thanks to who will be the sitting POTUS on Election Day 2028.

For the sake of the country, I hope Trump's second term ends with his job performance being approved of by at least the 47% of Americans polling average history tells us is required to give the incumbent party a chance but let's not pretend that's likely to happen. Going with the safer assumption of Trump being as unpopular in 2028 as he was in 2020, the Dems will be able to beat the Trump endorsed 2028 GOP nominee with any old and angry washed-up politician just as they did in 2020. This being said; let's hope for both parties putting forth truly presidential caliber nominees in 2028 like they routinely used to. This swapping out old bags of bones every four years is tiring.

Pp you're responding to. I think you're correct that 2028 isn't in the bag for the GOP. The time between now and 2028 is a political eternity and Trump isn't playing it safe. Vance is also not Trump, doesn't have the same following or even the same beliefs. He's an old school, polished politician in an era that regards that with suspicion.

But the list I gave is absolutely the list that is top of mind when people think of the Democratic brand. They spend an exorbitant amount of time talking about race, sex, and why people should feel sorry for criminals. This is unchanged from 2024 and doesn't appear to be changing. They are allowing some dissent now, but that is not the same as changing their messaging.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem like democrats are going to adjust their platform at all. They seem to be doubling down, if anything. They are spending millions to learn "how to talk to young men," learning their slang in a "hello fellow kids" way. That means they are going to be consistent with their issues but adjust their messaging a bit. Probably this time, they won't hire a bunch of gay actors to pretend to be straight white men and say hilarious things like "I'm man enough to vote for Kamala Harris."

Dem top issues will remain the same: trans, gay, race quotas, the patriarchy, white women as "the problem," Palestine, protesting as the peak expression of politics, and getting more women to have abortions.

I doubt any viable contenders for the 2028 Dem nomination will share your list of "top Dem issues" but even if they do, the 2028 Dem nominee will still be the favorite to win the 2028 election thanks to who will be the sitting POTUS on Election Day 2028.

For the sake of the country, I hope Trump's second term ends with his job performance being approved of by at least the 47% of Americans polling average history tells us is required to give the incumbent party a chance but let's not pretend that's likely to happen. Going with the safer assumption of Trump being as unpopular in 2028 as he was in 2020, the Dems will be able to beat the Trump endorsed 2028 GOP nominee with any old and angry washed-up politician just as they did in 2020. This being said; let's hope for both parties putting forth truly presidential caliber nominees in 2028 like they routinely used to. This swapping out old bags of bones every four years is tiring.

Pp you're responding to. I think you're correct that 2028 isn't in the bag for the GOP. The time between now and 2028 is a political eternity and Trump isn't playing it safe. Vance is also not Trump, doesn't have the same following or even the same beliefs. He's an old school, polished politician in an era that regards that with suspicion.

But the list I gave is absolutely the list that is top of mind when people think of the Democratic brand. They spend an exorbitant amount of time talking about race, sex, and why people should feel sorry for criminals. This is unchanged from 2024 and doesn't appear to be changing. They are allowing some dissent now, but that is not the same as changing their messaging.

Messaging and/or a politician's stance on a single issue are things that are magnified in presidential candidates who are weak candidates relative to successful two term presidents. There was no secret sauce of political messaging that elevated Reagan, Clinton, or Obama. They stood out among their competition and remained relatively popular two term presidents due to their ability to communicate to the American people and their abilities to lead on the national and global stage.

This country needs an elite leader who can effectively communicate to the American people. Politicians who rely on well crafted messaging schemes are not presidential.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem like democrats are going to adjust their platform at all. They seem to be doubling down, if anything. They are spending millions to learn "how to talk to young men," learning their slang in a "hello fellow kids" way. That means they are going to be consistent with their issues but adjust their messaging a bit. Probably this time, they won't hire a bunch of gay actors to pretend to be straight white men and say hilarious things like "I'm man enough to vote for Kamala Harris."

Dem top issues will remain the same: trans, gay, race quotas, the patriarchy, white women as "the problem," Palestine, protesting as the peak expression of politics, and getting more women to have abortions.

What are you referring to here?

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem like democrats are going to adjust their platform at all. They seem to be doubling down, if anything. They are spending millions to learn "how to talk to young men," learning their slang in a "hello fellow kids" way. That means they are going to be consistent with their issues but adjust their messaging a bit. Probably this time, they won't hire a bunch of gay actors to pretend to be straight white men and say hilarious things like "I'm man enough to vote for Kamala Harris."

Dem top issues will remain the same: trans, gay, race quotas, the patriarchy, white women as "the problem," Palestine, protesting as the peak expression of politics, and getting more women to have abortions.

What are you referring to here?

There was a thread on this site during the election.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem like democrats are going to adjust their platform at all. They seem to be doubling down, if anything. They are spending millions to learn "how to talk to young men," learning their slang in a "hello fellow kids" way. That means they are going to be consistent with their issues but adjust their messaging a bit. Probably this time, they won't hire a bunch of gay actors to pretend to be straight white men and say hilarious things like "I'm man enough to vote for Kamala Harris."

Dem top issues will remain the same: trans, gay, race quotas, the patriarchy, white women as "the problem," Palestine, protesting as the peak expression of politics, and getting more women to have abortions.

Not a single one of those issues was a significant part of Harris’ platform except for reproductive freedom. Why to you insist on lying?

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't seem like democrats are going to adjust their platform at all. They seem to be doubling down, if anything. They are spending millions to learn "how to talk to young men," learning their slang in a "hello fellow kids" way. That means they are going to be consistent with their issues but adjust their messaging a bit. Probably this time, they won't hire a bunch of gay actors to pretend to be straight white men and say hilarious things like "I'm man enough to vote for Kamala Harris."

Dem top issues will remain the same: trans, gay, race quotas, the patriarchy, white women as "the problem," Palestine, protesting as the peak expression of politics, and getting more women to have abortions.

What are you referring to here?

I'm referring to a campaign ad that Kamala released with a bunch of gay actors repeatedly saying "I'm a man" and "I'm man enough to vote for Kamala Harris." It was an uncomfortable watch. I imagine it must have felt like how we as women would feel if they had Ellen DeGeneres dress up in a floral dress with high heels, talk about how she liked to feel pretty and that voting for Trump made her feel feminine.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It doesn't seem like democrats are going to adjust their platform at all. They seem to be doubling down, if anything. They are spending millions to learn "how to talk to young men," learning their slang in a "hello fellow kids" way. That means they are going to be consistent with their issues but adjust their messaging a bit. Probably this time, they won't hire a bunch of gay actors to pretend to be straight white men and say hilarious things like "I'm man enough to vote for Kamala Harris."

Dem top issues will remain the same: trans, gay, race quotas, the patriarchy, white women as "the problem," Palestine, protesting as the peak expression of politics, and getting more women to have abortions. [/quote]
Not a single one of those issues was a significant part of Harris’ platform except for reproductive freedom. Why to you insist on lying?[/quote]

All of those issues dominate the democratic agenda. In California, a boy was allowed to compete in and win the women's division of a track tournament. This is what blue state people want.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It doesn't seem like democrats are going to adjust their platform at all. They seem to be doubling down, if anything. They are spending millions to learn "how to talk to young men," learning their slang in a "hello fellow kids" way. That means they are going to be consistent with their issues but adjust their messaging a bit. Probably this time, they won't hire a bunch of gay actors to pretend to be straight white men and say hilarious things like "I'm man enough to vote for Kamala Harris."

Dem top issues will remain the same: trans, gay, race quotas, the patriarchy, white women as "the problem," Palestine, protesting as the peak expression of politics, and getting more women to have abortions. [/quote]
Not a single one of those issues was a significant part of Harris’ platform except for reproductive freedom. Why to you insist on lying?[/quote]

All of those issues dominate the democratic agenda. In California, a boy was allowed to compete in and win the women's division of a track tournament. This is what blue state people want. [/quote]

If a majority Californians choose to permit biological males playing in female sports, that's their business. No Californian politician will be POTUS anytime soon due to how California is perceived to be too liberal for the taste of too many swing voters in swing states.

Based on Trump's history in politics, he will struggle to maintain job approval support from the swing voters who determine national elections and when that support is lacking for the sitting POTUS, the incumbent party has no chance of winning the POTUS election. Odds of Trump maintaining enough swing voter support through 2028 to give the GOP a chance in the next POTUS election is in the 10% to 20% range so while nothing is guaranteed, odds are the strongly in the favor of a Dem being our next POTUS; it just won't be a Californian politician.