Trump admin ADMITS wrongful deportation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love how people are pro regulation but against enforcement . Enforcement is so yucky.

Y’all make no sense

What if people just want— crazy idea, buckle up— enforcement to follow the law? The government did something illegal, admits it, and is resisting fixing it. This could have been a non-story if they fixed it last week and your fantasy would have been undisturbed for a bit longer.

The law HAS been followed. You didn't like the idea of deportations, so you're stalling for time. NO.

How about if you don't import 10 million strangers to "flood the zone" without figuring out who they are and why they are coming here?

How many people did it it take to execute 9/11 in the US? Maybe 30?

More than that. You turned your head and looked away while rampant crime was rising - carjackings, robberies under $1000, flash mobs, murder and other stupid crap....because... you wanted to "brown" the country.

Seriously, I don't care if you're offended. You dropped all common sense out the window in the name of group hugs and empathy. Just f'n NO.

The law has not been followed. Deporting someone to a country you are specifically prohibited from deporting them to? Isn’t following the law. If this wasn’t such a clown show they could have legally deported him elsewhere, but they were either too lazy or too incompetent to do the work.

Those troublemakers are being deported to a country with a no nonsense prison system, where they need to be. These are MS-13, TDA and "18th Street" gang members. Got it?

Are they? Did anyone provide proof of that before deportation? That's really not too much to ask. Follow the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people are pro regulation but against enforcement . Enforcement is so yucky.

Y’all make no sense

What if people just want— crazy idea, buckle up— enforcement to follow the law? The government did something illegal, admits it, and is resisting fixing it. This could have been a non-story if they fixed it last week and your fantasy would have been undisturbed for a bit longer.

The law HAS been followed. You didn't like the idea of deportations, so you're stalling for time. NO.

How about if you don't import 10 million strangers to "flood the zone" without figuring out who they are and why they are coming here?

How many people did it it take to execute 9/11 in the US? Maybe 30?

More than that. You turned your head and looked away while rampant crime was rising - carjackings, robberies under $1000, flash mobs, murder and other stupid crap....because... you wanted to "brown" the country.

Seriously, I don't care if you're offended. You dropped all common sense out the window in the name of group hugs and empathy. Just f'n NO.

The law has not been followed. Deporting someone to a country you are specifically prohibited from deporting them to? Isn’t following the law. If this wasn’t such a clown show they could have legally deported him elsewhere, but they were either too lazy or too incompetent to do the work.

Those troublemakers are being deported to a country with a no nonsense prison system, where they need to be. These are MS-13, TDA and "18th Street" gang members. Got it?

Sure, that’s a great fan fiction you’ve written but there’s not a shred of evidence the man who they illegally deported was a troublemaker of any kind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most on this thread are skipping right over the difference between deportation and sending people to a prison constructed for hard core criminals.
Giant difference and a very convenient way to shift the Overton Window.

Yup. I would personally have zero interest in this if he were just deported to his home country.

Even though there was a court order saying he couldn’t be sent to his home country? Look, I’ll be honest, while I feel sympathy for this man, I’m not actually losing sleep over his plight — but when our government goes rogue and ignores court orders, we can’t normalize that. It jeopardizes ALL OF US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people are pro regulation but against enforcement . Enforcement is so yucky.

Y’all make no sense

What if people just want— crazy idea, buckle up— enforcement to follow the law? The government did something illegal, admits it, and is resisting fixing it. This could have been a non-story if they fixed it last week and your fantasy would have been undisturbed for a bit longer.

The law HAS been followed. You didn't like the idea of deportations, so you're stalling for time. NO.

How about if you don't import 10 million strangers to "flood the zone" without figuring out who they are and why they are coming here?

How many people did it it take to execute 9/11 in the US? Maybe 30?

More than that. You turned your head and looked away while rampant crime was rising - carjackings, robberies under $1000, flash mobs, murder and other stupid crap....because... you wanted to "brown" the country.

Seriously, I don't care if you're offended. You dropped all common sense out the window in the name of group hugs and empathy. Just f'n NO.

The law has not been followed. Deporting someone to a country you are specifically prohibited from deporting them to? Isn’t following the law. If this wasn’t such a clown show they could have legally deported him elsewhere, but they were either too lazy or too incompetent to do the work.

Those troublemakers are being deported to a country with a no nonsense prison system, where they need to be. These are MS-13, TDA and "18th Street" gang members. Got it?

But when we deport the wrong people, we’re not making our country any safer than if you were shipped off to CECOT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people are pro regulation but against enforcement . Enforcement is so yucky.

Y’all make no sense

What if people just want— crazy idea, buckle up— enforcement to follow the law? The government did something illegal, admits it, and is resisting fixing it. This could have been a non-story if they fixed it last week and your fantasy would have been undisturbed for a bit longer.

The law HAS been followed. You didn't like the idea of deportations, so you're stalling for time. NO.

How about if you don't import 10 million strangers to "flood the zone" without figuring out who they are and why they are coming here?

How many people did it it take to execute 9/11 in the US? Maybe 30?

More than that. You turned your head and looked away while rampant crime was rising - carjackings, robberies under $1000, flash mobs, murder and other stupid crap....because... you wanted to "brown" the country.

Seriously, I don't care if you're offended. You dropped all common sense out the window in the name of group hugs and empathy. Just f'n NO.

The law has not been followed. Deporting someone to a country you are specifically prohibited from deporting them to? Isn’t following the law. If this wasn’t such a clown show they could have legally deported him elsewhere, but they were either too lazy or too incompetent to do the work.

Those troublemakers are being deported to a country with a no nonsense prison system, where they need to be. These are MS-13, TDA and "18th Street" gang members. Got it?

Everyone has a right to due process. Got it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would the man be in this situation if he did not come into the country illegally? Yes or No?

Based on WaPo reporting about the number of U.S. CITIZENS ICE has deported, the answer is, maybe!

I only asked about him, so nice try.
HE admits he came in illegally. Why is it so hard to just acknowledge his own actions caused his current situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people are pro regulation but against enforcement . Enforcement is so yucky.

Y’all make no sense

What if people just want— crazy idea, buckle up— enforcement to follow the law? The government did something illegal, admits it, and is resisting fixing it. This could have been a non-story if they fixed it last week and your fantasy would have been undisturbed for a bit longer.

The law HAS been followed. You didn't like the idea of deportations, so you're stalling for time. NO.

How about if you don't import 10 million strangers to "flood the zone" without figuring out who they are and why they are coming here?

How many people did it it take to execute 9/11 in the US? Maybe 30?

More than that. You turned your head and looked away while rampant crime was rising - carjackings, robberies under $1000, flash mobs, murder and other stupid crap....because... you wanted to "brown" the country.

Seriously, I don't care if you're offended. You dropped all common sense out the window in the name of group hugs and empathy. Just f'n NO.

The law has not been followed. Deporting someone to a country you are specifically prohibited from deporting them to? Isn’t following the law. If this wasn’t such a clown show they could have legally deported him elsewhere, but they were either too lazy or too incompetent to do the work.

Those troublemakers are being deported to a country with a no nonsense prison system, where they need to be. These are MS-13, TDA and "18th Street" gang members. Got it?

Are they? Did anyone provide proof of that before deportation? That's really not too much to ask. Follow the law.

HE broke the law. Now he cares about laws?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would the man be in this situation if he did not come into the country illegally? Yes or No?

Based on WaPo reporting about the number of U.S. CITIZENS ICE has deported, the answer is, maybe!

I only asked about him, so nice try.
HE admits he came in illegally. Why is it so hard to just acknowledge his own actions caused his current situation.

Yes— him. I’m saying that being here legally is not a protection against wrongful deportation and there’s reporting on that this morning.

So nice try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people are pro regulation but against enforcement . Enforcement is so yucky.

Y’all make no sense

What if people just want— crazy idea, buckle up— enforcement to follow the law? The government did something illegal, admits it, and is resisting fixing it. This could have been a non-story if they fixed it last week and your fantasy would have been undisturbed for a bit longer.

The law HAS been followed. You didn't like the idea of deportations, so you're stalling for time. NO.

How about if you don't import 10 million strangers to "flood the zone" without figuring out who they are and why they are coming here?

How many people did it it take to execute 9/11 in the US? Maybe 30?

More than that. You turned your head and looked away while rampant crime was rising - carjackings, robberies under $1000, flash mobs, murder and other stupid crap....because... you wanted to "brown" the country.

Seriously, I don't care if you're offended. You dropped all common sense out the window in the name of group hugs and empathy. Just f'n NO.

The law has not been followed. Deporting someone to a country you are specifically prohibited from deporting them to? Isn’t following the law. If this wasn’t such a clown show they could have legally deported him elsewhere, but they were either too lazy or too incompetent to do the work.

Those troublemakers are being deported to a country with a no nonsense prison system, where they need to be. These are MS-13, TDA and "18th Street" gang members. Got it?

How in the world would you know this?

Many of the deported to El Salvador have never been accused of a crime, much less deported.

Many of the deported were in the country legally.

Many of the deported were under suspicion because of tattoos, which TdA expert and journalist Ronna Risquez - who has written a book on Tren de Aragua and has been threatened because of it - says the gang doesn't use tattoos as any sort of identifier at all.

I don't blame only Trump for this assenine profiling policy. It clearly started under the Biden administration, which applied their knowledge of Central American gangs to Venezuela's without researching or using critical thinking skills. But at least, under Biden we had due process.

If they have committed a crime, let them be tried and punished. But if there is no Due process, no accusation, no crime whatsoever... THEY SHOULD BE FREE.

You sound un-American.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people are pro regulation but against enforcement . Enforcement is so yucky.

Y’all make no sense

What if people just want— crazy idea, buckle up— enforcement to follow the law? The government did something illegal, admits it, and is resisting fixing it. This could have been a non-story if they fixed it last week and your fantasy would have been undisturbed for a bit longer.

The law HAS been followed. You didn't like the idea of deportations, so you're stalling for time. NO.

How about if you don't import 10 million strangers to "flood the zone" without figuring out who they are and why they are coming here?

How many people did it it take to execute 9/11 in the US? Maybe 30?

More than that. You turned your head and looked away while rampant crime was rising - carjackings, robberies under $1000, flash mobs, murder and other stupid crap....because... you wanted to "brown" the country.

Seriously, I don't care if you're offended. You dropped all common sense out the window in the name of group hugs and empathy. Just f'n NO.

The law has not been followed. Deporting someone to a country you are specifically prohibited from deporting them to? Isn’t following the law. If this wasn’t such a clown show they could have legally deported him elsewhere, but they were either too lazy or too incompetent to do the work.

Those troublemakers are being deported to a country with a no nonsense prison system, where they need to be. These are MS-13, TDA and "18th Street" gang members. Got it?

How in the world would you know this?

Many of the deported to El Salvador have never been accused of a crime, much less deported.

Many of the deported were in the country legally.

Many of the deported were under suspicion because of tattoos, which TdA expert and journalist Ronna Risquez - who has written a book on Tren de Aragua and has been threatened because of it - says the gang doesn't use tattoos as any sort of identifier at all.

I don't blame only Trump for this assenine profiling policy. It clearly started under the Biden administration, which applied their knowledge of Central American gangs to Venezuela's without researching or using critical thinking skills. But at least, under Biden we had due process.

If they have committed a crime, let them be tried and punished. But if there is no Due process, no accusation, no crime whatsoever... THEY SHOULD BE FREE.

You sound un-American.

*much less convicted*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people are pro regulation but against enforcement . Enforcement is so yucky.

Y’all make no sense

What if people just want— crazy idea, buckle up— enforcement to follow the law? The government did something illegal, admits it, and is resisting fixing it. This could have been a non-story if they fixed it last week and your fantasy would have been undisturbed for a bit longer.

The law HAS been followed. You didn't like the idea of deportations, so you're stalling for time. NO.

How about if you don't import 10 million strangers to "flood the zone" without figuring out who they are and why they are coming here?

How many people did it it take to execute 9/11 in the US? Maybe 30?

More than that. You turned your head and looked away while rampant crime was rising - carjackings, robberies under $1000, flash mobs, murder and other stupid crap....because... you wanted to "brown" the country.

Seriously, I don't care if you're offended. You dropped all common sense out the window in the name of group hugs and empathy. Just f'n NO.

The law has not been followed. Deporting someone to a country you are specifically prohibited from deporting them to? Isn’t following the law. If this wasn’t such a clown show they could have legally deported him elsewhere, but they were either too lazy or too incompetent to do the work.

Those troublemakers are being deported to a country with a no nonsense prison system, where they need to be. These are MS-13, TDA and "18th Street" gang members. Got it?

Are they? Did anyone provide proof of that before deportation? That's really not too much to ask. Follow the law.

HE broke the law. Now he cares about laws?

Trump broke the law too yet you voted for him. Do you care about the laws?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people are pro regulation but against enforcement . Enforcement is so yucky.

Y’all make no sense

What if people just want— crazy idea, buckle up— enforcement to follow the law? The government did something illegal, admits it, and is resisting fixing it. This could have been a non-story if they fixed it last week and your fantasy would have been undisturbed for a bit longer.

The law HAS been followed. You didn't like the idea of deportations, so you're stalling for time. NO.

How about if you don't import 10 million strangers to "flood the zone" without figuring out who they are and why they are coming here?

How many people did it it take to execute 9/11 in the US? Maybe 30?

More than that. You turned your head and looked away while rampant crime was rising - carjackings, robberies under $1000, flash mobs, murder and other stupid crap....because... you wanted to "brown" the country.

Seriously, I don't care if you're offended. You dropped all common sense out the window in the name of group hugs and empathy. Just f'n NO.

Do you think it is OK if governments arrest people and deport them without a hearing straight to a prison in a foreign country where the US has no jurisdiction? How is that OK?

Do you think it’s ok to sneak over the border? How is that ok?

No. I voted for Trump mostly on the border failures. But unlike some, I have the ability to judge policy independently. I don't blindly accept everything because Trump does it. Do you?

No, but I accept that this person put themselves in this situation by breaking the law in the first place. It’s like getting a DUI then complaining your insurance went up.

No, it’s not. Your insurance goes up if you’re convicted of DUI, not just if you’re accused of DUI and later found to not have been DUI.

What the administration doing is more like the cop pulled the wrong car over, decided the wrong driver was DUI and sentenced the wrong driver to jail without a hearing. The lack of a hearing is the issue, because the driver never got a chance to prove that the cop pulled them over in error. Continuing this example, the powers the be figure out that the driver was pulled over in error, wasn’t DUI, but doesn’t let the driver out of jail. This is more like what the Trump administration is doing.

Whether or not some of the people sent to El Salvador entered the US illegally is irrelevant because what the administration is doing can sweep up completely innocent people who didn’t enter the US illegally. I have no issue with deporting someone who entered the US illegally so long as there is a proper hearing to make sure they are not innocent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would the man be in this situation if he did not come into the country illegally? Yes or No?

Based on WaPo reporting about the number of U.S. CITIZENS ICE has deported, the answer is, maybe!

I only asked about him, so nice try.
HE admits he came in illegally. Why is it so hard to just acknowledge his own actions caused his current situation.

The US government broke the law too. Is that ok? I don't think so. I tend to hold institutions to higher standards since they have multiple levels to ensure mistakes don't happen. Processes and the like.

But if you're ok with "mistakes"like that, what if this happened to your kid when they are off on spring break in Jamaica? Without further ado, off to a Haitian jail for you! What about those Americans caught illegally entering countries with ammo? Should they be summarily sent to El Salvador?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people are pro regulation but against enforcement . Enforcement is so yucky.

Y’all make no sense

What if people just want— crazy idea, buckle up— enforcement to follow the law? The government did something illegal, admits it, and is resisting fixing it. This could have been a non-story if they fixed it last week and your fantasy would have been undisturbed for a bit longer.

The law HAS been followed. You didn't like the idea of deportations, so you're stalling for time. NO.

How about if you don't import 10 million strangers to "flood the zone" without figuring out who they are and why they are coming here?

How many people did it it take to execute 9/11 in the US? Maybe 30?

More than that. You turned your head and looked away while rampant crime was rising - carjackings, robberies under $1000, flash mobs, murder and other stupid crap....because... you wanted to "brown" the country.

Seriously, I don't care if you're offended. You dropped all common sense out the window in the name of group hugs and empathy. Just f'n NO.

Do you think it is OK if governments arrest people and deport them without a hearing straight to a prison in a foreign country where the US has no jurisdiction? How is that OK?

Do you think it’s ok to sneak over the border? How is that ok?

No. I voted for Trump mostly on the border failures. But unlike some, I have the ability to judge policy independently. I don't blindly accept everything because Trump does it. Do you?

No, but I accept that this person put themselves in this situation by breaking the law in the first place. It’s like getting a DUI then complaining your insurance went up.

No, it’s not. Your insurance goes up if you’re convicted of DUI, not just if you’re accused of DUI and later found to not have been DUI.

What the administration doing is more like the cop pulled the wrong car over, decided the wrong driver was DUI and sentenced the wrong driver to jail without a hearing. The lack of a hearing is the issue, because the driver never got a chance to prove that the cop pulled them over in error. Continuing this example, the powers the be figure out that the driver was pulled over in error, wasn’t DUI, but doesn’t let the driver out of jail. This is more like what the Trump administration is doing.

Whether or not some of the people sent to El Salvador entered the US illegally is irrelevant because what the administration is doing can sweep up completely innocent people who didn’t enter the US illegally. I have no issue with deporting someone who entered the US illegally so long as there is a proper hearing to make sure they are not innocent.

Bukele himself probably gave the Trump administration the idea when someone told him there were a lot of empty seats on the plane. That's how he has made El Salvador the "safest country in Latin America." By setting a target number or quota and then sweeping up people to meet it. Congratulations on emulating Bukele, Trump!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how people are pro regulation but against enforcement . Enforcement is so yucky.

Y’all make no sense

What if people just want— crazy idea, buckle up— enforcement to follow the law? The government did something illegal, admits it, and is resisting fixing it. This could have been a non-story if they fixed it last week and your fantasy would have been undisturbed for a bit longer.

The law HAS been followed. You didn't like the idea of deportations, so you're stalling for time. NO.

How about if you don't import 10 million strangers to "flood the zone" without figuring out who they are and why they are coming here?

How many people did it it take to execute 9/11 in the US? Maybe 30?

More than that. You turned your head and looked away while rampant crime was rising - carjackings, robberies under $1000, flash mobs, murder and other stupid crap....because... you wanted to "brown" the country.

Seriously, I don't care if you're offended. You dropped all common sense out the window in the name of group hugs and empathy. Just f'n NO.

Do you think it is OK if governments arrest people and deport them without a hearing straight to a prison in a foreign country where the US has no jurisdiction? How is that OK?

Do you think it’s ok to sneak over the border? How is that ok?

No. I voted for Trump mostly on the border failures. But unlike some, I have the ability to judge policy independently. I don't blindly accept everything because Trump does it. Do you?

No, but I accept that this person put themselves in this situation by breaking the law in the first place. It’s like getting a DUI then complaining your insurance went up.

No, it’s not. Your insurance goes up if you’re convicted of DUI, not just if you’re accused of DUI and later found to not have been DUI.

What the administration doing is more like the cop pulled the wrong car over, decided the wrong driver was DUI and sentenced the wrong driver to jail without a hearing. The lack of a hearing is the issue, because the driver never got a chance to prove that the cop pulled them over in error. Continuing this example, the powers the be figure out that the driver was pulled over in error, wasn’t DUI, but doesn’t let the driver out of jail. This is more like what the Trump administration is doing.

Whether or not some of the people sent to El Salvador entered the US illegally is irrelevant because what the administration is doing can sweep up completely innocent people who didn’t enter the US illegally. I have no issue with deporting someone who entered the US illegally so long as there is a proper hearing to make sure they are not innocent.

This person had a hearing. This person was found to be in the US illegally, and had his claim for asylum denied.
The only error here is that he was sent to El Salvador when the immigration judge said he was protected from removal to El Salvador(though the judge might have messed up and said Guatemala).