New OPM memo on RTO

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really annoyed. If people had just gone in 3 days a week like they wanted us to, I think they wouldn’t have gone to such extremes.

I feel the same.

Yes. I blame Biden. He didn’t come down hard enough. Heck even his own EOP offices were TW more than we were. He let agencies get away with hardly complying with RTO and well here we are.

I'm tired of Democrats getting blamed because Republicans are cruel. Republicans have been attacking feds.for decades, Biden isn't responsible for this.

Agree. Plus it isn’t like other sectors aren’t teleworking. I know tons of remote and telework people who work with private companies.

Agree. I will be the only one going in full time. Most of my private sector neighbors cant fathom my current 3 times a week in the office.

Seriously. I am the only person on my street who goes to an office of any kind. Even my Trump supporting neighbor works remotely.

Here’s the thing - this isn’t most of the US. Even where I live in the DMV most of my street is blue collar, or in medical, law enforcement, etc. jobs. They’ve been in-person the entire time and spare absolutely zero tears for feds complaining about having to do what they’ve been doing all along.

And yes you can say, “but I’m more productive at home!” Or “my job doesn’t require me to be in the office” but people outside of your bubble don’t care. And they spoke with their vote.

Now they may change their mind when their commutes are miserable with that many more cars on the road, sometimes the dog chases the car and then doesn’t know what to do with it. But next time let’s ensure the Dems have a viable candidate.

You are crazy to think that federal remote work was the motivating issue in the last election.

Definitely not, but everyone on my street - nurses, professors, attorneys, business executives, etc. have been back in the office a minimum of 3 days/week for years, and it hasn’t gone unnoticed that my Fed neighbors walk their dogs, pick up and drop off their kids, cut their lawn, etc., regularly, during the work day. Additionally, many of them “work” remotely from vacation destinations for multiple weeks of the year. I know of no other large group of workers - blue collar or professional that are able to abuse the system in that way.

“Abuse the system.” This is so emblematic of the jealous attitudes that underpin the whole RTO debate. And Trumpism, for that matter.

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Anonymous wrote:You're not legalesing you're way out of this people. It's back to the office. 5 days per week. So many snowflakes when the grocery store worker has to go in everyday or the mechanic fixing your car does too. Big whoop, you have to click a computer mouse for a few hours per day in the office so you can't sleep at home and use time on the clock to babysit your kids. Welcome to the real world like the rest of America.

Sorry to ruin your party but most of us have union contracts that protect for years to come...and I do not have kids at home. I work.

Post the language here so we can see it.

Oh, what will you do with the info?

Then I will believe it. I want to see a CNA that actually guarantees telework because mine does not.

I can tell you that my agency requires NBU employees to be in almost twice as often as BU employees. If the CBA wasn’t a meaningful barrier to something they would otherwise be allowed to require of us, why the difference?

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Anonymous wrote:You're not legalesing you're way out of this people. It's back to the office. 5 days per week. So many snowflakes when the grocery store worker has to go in everyday or the mechanic fixing your car does too. Big whoop, you have to click a computer mouse for a few hours per day in the office so you can't sleep at home and use time on the clock to babysit your kids. Welcome to the real world like the rest of America.

Aww, are you mad because HQ in St. Petersburg made you RTO?

Nah, you're just butthurt you won't be able to do laundry and bake bread at home while on the clock.

The whining is truly astounding. Feds getting paid $150,000 per year to be chief diversity officers while sitting at home in their jammies baking bread. Meanwhile, the nursing staff during COVID had to work in person during 10 hour shifts. The CNAs making $38,000 per year who have to wipe the arses of you senior parents in the long-term care facility have to go to work every day. Or the teachers making $52,000 per year going into work every day while barely being able to afford rent so they can reach your kids. As if nurses, teachers, and CNAs don't have kids to deal with, chores at home, and commutes to deal with.

Pathetic feds. Get back to work like the rest of America.

Not all of America is a minimum wage Pizza Hut driver like you are. Their whole lot of people teleworking across the nation. They’re also a whole lot of mouse clickers across the nation, working in luxurious offices. But he probably deliver pizza in a roll area so don’t even know about shiny pretty cities.

Who knew nurses, teachers, firefighters, police officers, etc. are all "minimum wage pizza hut drivers", as you have described them? You are prime example of a lazy deadbeat fed who deserves to lose their job, or at a minimum, be forced into office 5x per week. Way to disparage a whole bunch of workers in this economy who do 10x more work than you do, and for less pay under harsher conditions. You are a lazy fed sucking off the tax payer teat. I hope all of America discovers this thread and can read the insanely disgusting attitude feds have towards so many other workers, as is shown by this post. You lazy feds can't even be bothered to go into the office for your six figure salaries. GMAFB. God, Trump can't gut your entitled arses fast enough. Who cares if there are examples of white collar workers in the private sector who can WFH? You don't work in the private sector, you work for, and are accountable to, the American public. If you don't like it, then quit. One less useless fed earning six figures who will no longer be soaking the taxpayer.

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Anonymous wrote:https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Return%20to%20Office%20Guidance%20Memorandum%201-22-25.pdf

I find the latitude for “other compelling reason” to be a pretty huge give in the memo.

I do not. The exception has to be signed by the agency head and their manager. This is not just a person in HR signing the exceptions. All these Trump appointed heads are not going to sign those exceptions freely. Don’t count on that.

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Anonymous wrote:You're not legalesing you're way out of this people. It's back to the office. 5 days per week. So many snowflakes when the grocery store worker has to go in everyday or the mechanic fixing your car does too. Big whoop, you have to click a computer mouse for a few hours per day in the office so you can't sleep at home and use time on the clock to babysit your kids. Welcome to the real world like the rest of America.

Sorry to ruin your party but most of us have union contracts that protect for years to come...and I do not have kids at home. I work.

Post the language here so we can see it.

Oh, what will you do with the info?

Then I will believe it. I want to see a CNA that actually guarantees telework because mine does not.

Why don’t you post the language from yours?

Np. The HHS NTEU contract (signed 2023 and good for 5 years) says “Regular and recurring telework may be performed for up to eight (8) days per pay period (e.g., Monday-Thursday or each week), unless the employee is approved for remote work. Employees on routine telework must normally report to the official duty station (ODS) at least twice per pay period..”

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Anonymous wrote:You're not legalesing you're way out of this people. It's back to the office. 5 days per week. So many snowflakes when the grocery store worker has to go in everyday or the mechanic fixing your car does too. Big whoop, you have to click a computer mouse for a few hours per day in the office so you can't sleep at home and use time on the clock to babysit your kids. Welcome to the real world like the rest of America.

Aww, are you mad because HQ in St. Petersburg made you RTO?

Nah, you're just butthurt you won't be able to do laundry and bake bread at home while on the clock.

The whining is truly astounding. Feds getting paid $150,000 per year to be chief diversity officers while sitting at home in their jammies baking bread. Meanwhile, the nursing staff during COVID had to work in person during 10 hour shifts. The CNAs making $38,000 per year who have to wipe the arses of you senior parents in the long-term care facility have to go to work every day. Or the teachers making $52,000 per year going into work every day while barely being able to afford rent so they can reach your kids. As if nurses, teachers, and CNAs don't have kids to deal with, chores at home, and commutes to deal with.

Pathetic feds. Get back to work like the rest of America.

Not all of America is a minimum wage Pizza Hut driver like you are. Their whole lot of people teleworking across the nation. They’re also a whole lot of mouse clickers across the nation, working in luxurious offices. But he probably deliver pizza in a roll area so don’t even know about shiny pretty cities.

Who knew nurses, teachers, firefighters, police officers, etc. are all "minimum wage pizza hut drivers", as you have described them? You are prime example of a lazy deadbeat fed who deserves to lose their job, or at a minimum, be forced into office 5x per week. Way to disparage a whole bunch of workers in this economy who do 10x more work than you do, and for less pay under harsher conditions. You are a lazy fed sucking off the tax payer teat. I hope all of America discovers this thread and can read the insanely disgusting attitude feds have towards so many other workers, as is shown by this post. You lazy feds can't even be bothered to go into the office for your six figure salaries. GMAFB. God, Trump can't gut your entitled arses fast enough. Who cares if there are examples of white collar workers in the private sector who can WFH? You don't work in the private sector, you work for, and are accountable to, the American public. If you don't like it, then quit. One less useless fed earning six figures who will no longer be soaking the taxpayer.

I’d just like you to know I have an offer in the private sector making even more than my low six figure salary and it’s remote. I will take it.

You’re small and pathetic.

[Anonymous]

I think Putin just weakened the US significantly without firing a single shot. The fact that one of the first agencies they ordered in was DHS's cybersecurity group. It couldn't be more transparent.

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Anonymous wrote:You're not legalesing you're way out of this people. It's back to the office. 5 days per week. So many snowflakes when the grocery store worker has to go in everyday or the mechanic fixing your car does too. Big whoop, you have to click a computer mouse for a few hours per day in the office so you can't sleep at home and use time on the clock to babysit your kids. Welcome to the real world like the rest of America.

Aww, are you mad because HQ in St. Petersburg made you RTO?

Nah, you're just butthurt you won't be able to do laundry and bake bread at home while on the clock.

The whining is truly astounding. Feds getting paid $150,000 per year to be chief diversity officers while sitting at home in their jammies baking bread. Meanwhile, the nursing staff during COVID had to work in person during 10 hour shifts. The CNAs making $38,000 per year who have to wipe the arses of you senior parents in the long-term care facility have to go to work every day. Or the teachers making $52,000 per year going into work every day while barely being able to afford rent so they can reach your kids. As if nurses, teachers, and CNAs don't have kids to deal with, chores at home, and commutes to deal with.

Pathetic feds. Get back to work like the rest of America.

Not all of America is a minimum wage Pizza Hut driver like you are. Their whole lot of people teleworking across the nation. They’re also a whole lot of mouse clickers across the nation, working in luxurious offices. But he probably deliver pizza in a roll area so don’t even know about shiny pretty cities.

Who knew nurses, teachers, firefighters, police officers, etc. are all "minimum wage pizza hut drivers", as you have described them? You are prime example of a lazy deadbeat fed who deserves to lose their job, or at a minimum, be forced into office 5x per week. Way to disparage a whole bunch of workers in this economy who do 10x more work than you do, and for less pay under harsher conditions. You are a lazy fed sucking off the tax payer teat. I hope all of America discovers this thread and can read the insanely disgusting attitude feds have towards so many other workers, as is shown by this post. You lazy feds can't even be bothered to go into the office for your six figure salaries. GMAFB. God, Trump can't gut your entitled arses fast enough. Who cares if there are examples of white collar workers in the private sector who can WFH? You don't work in the private sector, you work for, and are accountable to, the American public. If you don't like it, then quit. One less useless fed earning six figures who will no longer be soaking the taxpayer.

Arses? Sure you’re from America?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband and I are both feds who have coworkers across the country and again, you have to understand that some of the people we work with are in high demand positions who only took the job because of the remote policy and work/life balance. They'll be snapped up by another company in minutes.

Replacing them will be impossible. Engineers don't grow on trees. But you should be concerned if engineers working on critical defense infrastructure quit and can't be replaced.

The US.is going to be significantly weaker. MAGA types who hate feds generally claim to be pro mitary, but this significantly weakens the military.

They’ll just be hired as contractors.

Yes it won’t save a dime, will in fact cost more, but Trump (and GOP Congress) can crow about decreasing the number of federal employees.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really annoyed. If people had just gone in 3 days a week like they wanted us to, I think they wouldn’t have gone to such extremes.

I feel the same.

Yes. I blame Biden. He didn’t come down hard enough. Heck even his own EOP offices were TW more than we were. He let agencies get away with hardly complying with RTO and well here we are.

I'm tired of Democrats getting blamed because Republicans are cruel. Republicans have been attacking feds.for decades, Biden isn't responsible for this.

Agree. Plus it isn’t like other sectors aren’t teleworking. I know tons of remote and telework people who work with private companies.

Agree. I will be the only one going in full time. Most of my private sector neighbors cant fathom my current 3 times a week in the office.

Seriously. I am the only person on my street who goes to an office of any kind. Even my Trump supporting neighbor works remotely.

Here’s the thing - this isn’t most of the US. Even where I live in the DMV most of my street is blue collar, or in medical, law enforcement, etc. jobs. They’ve been in-person the entire time and spare absolutely zero tears for feds complaining about having to do what they’ve been doing all along.

And yes you can say, “but I’m more productive at home!” Or “my job doesn’t require me to be in the office” but people outside of your bubble don’t care. And they spoke with their vote.

Now they may change their mind when their commutes are miserable with that many more cars on the road, sometimes the dog chases the car and then doesn’t know what to do with it. But next time let’s ensure the Dems have a viable candidate.

You are crazy to think that federal remote work was the motivating issue in the last election.

Definitely not, but everyone on my street - nurses, professors, attorneys, business executives, etc. have been back in the office a minimum of 3 days/week for years, and it hasn’t gone unnoticed that my Fed neighbors walk their dogs, pick up and drop off their kids, cut their lawn, etc., regularly, during the work day. Additionally, many of them “work” remotely from vacation destinations for multiple weeks of the year. I know of no other large group of workers - blue collar or professional that are able to abuse the system in that way.

“Abuse the system.” This is so emblematic of the jealous attitudes that underpin the whole RTO debate. And Trumpism, for that matter.

I don’t think the PP is jealous. I think they’re a petty person who doesn’t work at all and is so bored with their life, they peep through the blinds at the neighbors to fill their empty days. They probably haven’t held a job in years, if ever, and don’t understand how work works.

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Anonymous wrote:You're not legalesing you're way out of this people. It's back to the office. 5 days per week. So many snowflakes when the grocery store worker has to go in everyday or the mechanic fixing your car does too. Big whoop, you have to click a computer mouse for a few hours per day in the office so you can't sleep at home and use time on the clock to babysit your kids. Welcome to the real world like the rest of America.

Sorry to ruin your party but most of us have union contracts that protect for years to come...and I do not have kids at home. I work.

Post the language here so we can see it.

Oh, what will you do with the info?

Then I will believe it. I want to see a CNA that actually guarantees telework because mine does not.

Why don’t you post the language from yours?

Np. The HHS NTEU contract (signed 2023 and good for 5 years) says “Regular and recurring telework may be performed for up to eight (8) days per pay period (e.g., Monday-Thursday or each week), unless the employee is approved for remote work. Employees on routine telework must normally report to the official duty station (ODS) at least twice per pay period..”

Seems good to me. I get the point about the “up to” language as said throughout this thread, but if the BU is promised up to 8 days, but the entire BU is given exactly 0 days by agency rule, that’s worth suing on.

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Anonymous wrote:https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Return%20to%20Office%20Guidance%20Memorandum%201-22-25.pdf

I find the latitude for “other compelling reason” to be a pretty huge give in the memo.

I do not. The exception has to be signed by the agency head and their manager. This is not just a person in HR signing the exceptions. All these Trump appointed heads are not going to sign those exceptions freely. Don’t count on that.

That is not it exactly what it says. An agency head could prescribe “other compelling reasons” in the new policy and certify those as allowing telework through the policy and then require supervisors to confirm. In other words, the agency head could state in the policy that “I certify telework until xxx for employees of this sub agency as the office is in the midst of construction”

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Anonymous wrote:You're not legalesing you're way out of this people. It's back to the office. 5 days per week. So many snowflakes when the grocery store worker has to go in everyday or the mechanic fixing your car does too. Big whoop, you have to click a computer mouse for a few hours per day in the office so you can't sleep at home and use time on the clock to babysit your kids. Welcome to the real world like the rest of America.

Aww, are you mad because HQ in St. Petersburg made you RTO?

Nah, you're just butthurt you won't be able to do laundry and bake bread at home while on the clock.

The whining is truly astounding. Feds getting paid $150,000 per year to be chief diversity officers while sitting at home in their jammies baking bread. Meanwhile, the nursing staff during COVID had to work in person during 10 hour shifts. The CNAs making $38,000 per year who have to wipe the arses of you senior parents in the long-term care facility have to go to work every day. Or the teachers making $52,000 per year going into work every day while barely being able to afford rent so they can reach your kids. As if nurses, teachers, and CNAs don't have kids to deal with, chores at home, and commutes to deal with.

Pathetic feds. Get back to work like the rest of America.

Not all of America is a minimum wage Pizza Hut driver like you are. Their whole lot of people teleworking across the nation. They’re also a whole lot of mouse clickers across the nation, working in luxurious offices. But he probably deliver pizza in a roll area so don’t even know about shiny pretty cities.

Who knew nurses, teachers, firefighters, police officers, etc. are all "minimum wage pizza hut drivers", as you have described them? You are prime example of a lazy deadbeat fed who deserves to lose their job, or at a minimum, be forced into office 5x per week. Way to disparage a whole bunch of workers in this economy who do 10x more work than you do, and for less pay under harsher conditions. You are a lazy fed sucking off the tax payer teat. I hope all of America discovers this thread and can read the insanely disgusting attitude feds have towards so many other workers, as is shown by this post. You lazy feds can't even be bothered to go into the office for your six figure salaries. GMAFB. God, Trump can't gut your entitled arses fast enough. Who cares if there are examples of white collar workers in the private sector who can WFH? You don't work in the private sector, you work for, and are accountable to, the American public. If you don't like it, then quit. One less useless fed earning six figures who will no longer be soaking the taxpayer.

I’d just like you to know I have an offer in the private sector making even more than my low six figure salary and it’s remote. I will take it.

You’re small and pathetic.

Yep, my husband will take one of those private offers he's gotten for 3x the salary. He just happened to believe in the work he was doing and liked being home more when he wasn't on travel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If people think the government is inefficient now, just wait until the best ones quit. This is wildly short sighted.

That's exactly what Trump wants. It's not even about saving money- these salaries are a trivial part of the federal budget. It is about breaking government.

[Anonymous]

People. Boycott DC businesses. Don’t give them a penny.