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Anonymous wrote:“ FCPS acknowledges that the same four top middle schools are where advanced STEM talent is nurtured to not just meet the TJ rigor but enroll in advanced courses there.”

DC has been doing great at TJ but still won’t have as much schedule space as others because she “only” started at Math 3 level (Alg 2). She could definitely have skipped a year and done Alg 1 in 6th but not all the centers do that - she would have had to go to the secondary school for that and no clue how transpiration for that would have worked. Not all centers have the same opportunity for the full acceleration spectrum that the “feeder” schools offer.


The majority of TJ students have always started HS with Algebra 2.
They take calculus in their junior year and they take electives in their senior year.
That is very typical.
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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a healthy level of parental engagement at Carson and Longfellow that helps students excel in STEM subjects, and we can also include Cooper and Rocky Run in this category. FCPS appears to be dependent on these schools to fill a significant number of top-tier TJ class slots even after admissions change. It would be great if other FCPS schools could foster this kind of parental involvement (or "pressure", as few grudgingly term it) so that they too can produce highly qualified applicants for TJ.


Sounds like the kids at Carson and Longfellow will be fine no matter where they attend HS, but it's the less privileged high-schools that would really benefit from a TJ education.

But, FCPS wants top four middle school students at TJ in overwhelming number 140+, to keep the TJ ranking from taking a tumble. You seem to have trouble accepting that fact.


Do you really think that FCPS only rely on those 4 MS to keep their TJ standard? So kids who gets in from Loudoun, Arlington, Falls Church doesn’t count?
Last time I checked Loudoun still the wealthiest county in the US and they also have school similar to TJ that is popular.
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Students enrolling in highest math rigor take Diff equations in senior year, Multi var in junior, and Calc BC in sophomore

Most common path is Multi var in senior year, Calc BC in junior

Relaxed pace ends with Calc BC in senior year

Minimum required to graduate is at least Calc AB by senior year

Majority also enroll in AP statistics, and top students follow it up with one more semester of post-AP statistics.

Even if students start off having completed or enrolling in Algebra 2, TJ offers summer school math and allows skipping Calc AB before BC that supports pursuing advanced math electives.

Talk to your counselor on how best to take advantage of all advanced math electives TJ offers
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Anonymous wrote:“ MathCounts, AMC, Olympiads, ”

And those also aren’t offered everywhere. We aren’t in a “bad” pyramid either. Just a middle of the road one for FCPS.

Mathcounts allows students to sign up as non school competitors if their school isn't competing.
AMCs are offered by Fairfax math circle, FCAG, AoPS, and a number of other places.
Any motivated kid should be able to participate in both of these, even if it's not offered by their school.

But what if they can’t participate because they have to take care of their younger brother because both parents work?

If they're so overburdened with childcare or other responsibilities that they cannot even escape for a single day for an academic competition, how on earth are they going to have the time to be successful TJ students? TJ is a huge time sink, even for the kids who are minimally participating in all that TJ has to offer.
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Anonymous wrote:There seems to be a healthy level of parental engagement at Carson and Longfellow that helps students excel in STEM subjects, and we can also include Cooper and Rocky Run in this category. FCPS appears to be dependent on these schools to fill a significant number of top-tier TJ class slots even after admissions change. It would be great if other FCPS schools could foster this kind of parental involvement (or "pressure", as few grudgingly term it) so that they too can produce highly qualified applicants for TJ.


Sounds like the kids at Carson and Longfellow will be fine no matter where they attend HS, but it's the less privileged high-schools that would really benefit from a TJ education.

But, FCPS wants top four middle school students at TJ in overwhelming number 140+, to keep the TJ ranking from taking a tumble. You seem to have trouble accepting that fact.


Do you really think that FCPS only rely on those 4 MS to keep their TJ standard? So kids who gets in from Loudoun, Arlington, Falls Church doesn’t count?
Last time I checked Loudoun still the wealthiest county in the US and they also have school similar to TJ that is popular.

Yes, FCPS relies on those top four academically wealthy to fill half of its quota of 300+ seats each year. Each participating county has its own approximate allocation, and they too send academically wealthy students to avoid the hassle of freshman dropouts and suffering with poor grades.

Even poor families can be academically wealthy, if they make academics their priority, as opposed to sports, arts, recreation, or just waste time and resources with no goal. There are tons of rich families who are academically poor, whose students never make it to TJ.
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Anonymous wrote:“ FCPS acknowledges that the same four top middle schools are where advanced STEM talent is nurtured to not just meet the TJ rigor but enroll in advanced courses there.”

DC has been doing great at TJ but still won’t have as much schedule space as others because she “only” started at Math 3 level (Alg 2). She could definitely have skipped a year and done Alg 1 in 6th but not all the centers do that - she would have had to go to the secondary school for that and no clue how transpiration for that would have worked. Not all centers have the same opportunity for the full acceleration spectrum that the “feeder” schools offer.



Meanwhile, were you aware your daughter shares her freshman class with a 10 year-old girl? There is a thread on it.

Whining about the enrichment of other kids (including those her age is really unbecoming and does not demonstrate your daughter was somehow oppressed / underprivileged.

We all make choices for our kids. Now take some personal responsibility and live with the choices you made.


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Dc is a junior but thanks.
And sure I take “personal responsibility” for not buying a house in Great Falls or McLean in order to ensure my kid who ended up ready for Alg in 6th would have access to it.

Do you hear yourself?

My point is DC - who started on the “normal” level of Alg 2 at TJ came from a MS that - like MOST MSs in the county - does not advance kids past the standard AAP track. The fact that those classes aren’t available to all kids does not mean they aren’t TJ material.

Access to algebra in 6th isn't a "wealthy school" thing or a "TJ feeder" thing. Mosaic is a mid-SES school, and they have a crop of kids each year take Algebra in 6th. Kids who need it are skipped ahead 1-2 years in math even in Title I schools (like my kid). If you look at the vdoe stats, kids in 5th or 6th grade Algebra I as well as kids in 8th grade Algebra II come from a variety of schools (including Glasgow MS).

Most of the kids entering in pre-calc didn't take Algebra in 6th, but instead took summer Geometry to get ahead.

No one at all is concerned that a kid like yours entering in Algebra II is behind in any way. That's the most normal TJ track out there. The only kids who should be viewed as behind are the ones entering in Geometry. Before even starting high school, those kids have already missed the boat for any post-AP math, post-AP physics, or several computer science courses.
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Does FCPS offer free summer geometry?
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Anonymous wrote:Does FCPS offer free summer geometry?

But what if a kid has to watch their younger brother and can’t take free summer geometry?
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Anonymous wrote:Does FCPS offer free summer geometry?

But what if a kid has to watch their younger brother and can’t take free summer geometry?


There can be additional obstacles but does FCPS even offer this? We haven’t looked into summer options at all. Just curious.
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Anonymous wrote:Does FCPS offer free summer geometry?


No, but free meals kids are only charged $37.50 for the summer geometry course. Normally, it's $375.00.
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/summer-learning/online-campus
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Anonymous wrote:Does FCPS offer free summer geometry?

new enrollment is not free to discourage abuse by taking up limited spots and not even attending the course. FARMS may be no tuition, check with your school. Credit recovery is free for all though.
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Anonymous wrote:Does FCPS offer free summer geometry?

But what if a kid has to watch their younger brother and can’t take free summer geometry?


The family has to figure it out.
Frequently this means extended family and friends helping out.

Are you honestly concerned or just trying to make excuses?
Because a lot of poor families make a lot of painful sacrifices to get the same opportunities that affluent families can take for granted and in the end, their kids simply will not get the same opportunities.
We are never going to make access to opportunity perfectly level in one generation but each generation has the ability to improve their position so that they can provide that opportunity to the next generation.

Most of the asian boomers and gen x born here were not wealthy growing up but their children generally have had all the resources necessary to access opportunity.

We see a similar generational improvement among hispanic millenials and gen z that were born here. They were frequently not born into affluent conditions but have the resources so their children can access opportunities.

The stubborn problem is the legacy black community. It is a very hard thing to excise the less helpful parts of your culture without losing the structural integrity of the culture. The culture is changing for black women but doesn't seem to be improving for black men.
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Anonymous wrote:Does FCPS offer free summer geometry?

But what if a kid has to watch their younger brother and can’t take free summer geometry?


The family has to figure it out.
Frequently this means extended family and friends helping out.

Are you honestly concerned or just trying to make excuses?
Because a lot of poor families make a lot of painful sacrifices to get the same opportunities that affluent families can take for granted and in the end, their kids simply will not get the same opportunities.
We are never going to make access to opportunity perfectly level in one generation but each generation has the ability to improve their position so that they can provide that opportunity to the next generation.

Most of the asian boomers and gen x born here were not wealthy growing up but their children generally have had all the resources necessary to access opportunity.

We see a similar generational improvement among hispanic millenials and gen z that were born here. They were frequently not born into affluent conditions but have the resources so their children can access opportunities.

The stubborn problem is the legacy black community. It is a very hard thing to excise the less helpful parts of your culture without losing the structural integrity of the culture. The culture is changing for black women but doesn't seem to be improving for black men.

Well said! Additionally, each new minority cohort that starts off at lower level should be celebrating and not dragging down the cohort that had advanced just before them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Not really, no. Take a practice exam with some practice essay questions. Done. Don't bother with a test prep class.


The things people will say to thin the herd.
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Anonymous wrote:Not really, no. Take a practice exam with some practice essay questions. Done. Don't bother with a test prep class.


The things people will say to thin the herd.


My kid is at TJ and to be fair, I'm not sure how prep classes can help with the essays. You definitely want to take practice tests to get a feel for the timing and to get a few thoughts lined up.
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