Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no evidence that low income drivers or drivers of color pay more in automatic enforcement fines than any other demographic who drives and the reason there is no evidence of that is that DC doesn't track nor even have a way to track the income of drivers who get camera citations.

The articles cited by several folks at the start of this thread do not provide any evidence about the demographics of who is getting fined.

All we know is from what state the offenders come from and for that the offenders are overwhelming not DC residents and we also know that they own cars and since car ownership rates track pretty closely to income it is a safe inference that most citations are going to people who can afford cars.

It costs nothing to obey the law and in the case of traffic citations isn't particularly difficult.

Black drivers pay six times as much in traffic camera fines as white drivers, per the Washington Post.

How do they determine that? The ticket is issued to the car not the driver. They sure as hell do not ask for your race when the ticket is issued or when you pay. Are you saying DC government singles out black to ticket while ignoring whites?

[Anonymous]

Study this list:

https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/publication/attachments/ATE%20Active%20Locations%20as%20of%20%20November%202023.pdf

It's really not that hard because only a small number of the cameras are along most people's routes. Drive however you want everywhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Issuing traffic camera tickets to people for penny ante violations is a good way to turn the public against traffic cameras.

https://www.popville.com/2024/08/if-you-think-im-sticking-around-for-this-discussion-you-are-nuts/


I can’t be the only one that’s been getting tickets because of all of the new traffic cameras.

I consider myself a generally good driver, and hadn’t gotten a single traffic ticket in 20+ years of driving..until DC installed traffic cameras at intersections. My wife and I have gotten like 8-10 tickets over the last year for like stopping partially on the crosswalk. Or for not making a complete stop for *long enough*. Recently we got one for dropping someone off at a bus stop where you can’t stop. I get these are infractions that technically should get cited; but they’re $100 a pop, and some we thought were at the very least questionable. (No luck so far contesting them…) Plus, there aren’t signs posted like they have when speeding cameras are present.

You can avoid these tickets by:

-not speeding
-coming to a complete stop in the correct location
-not stopping in a bus lane

Don't want the fine? Don't do the crime.

Can we have the same standard for everyone?

We have mopeds going through stop signs at full speed.

We have cyclists plowing through red lights with children on back who aren't wearing helmets.

We have 13 year olds on ATVs doing wheelies down the middle of major thoroughfares.

stfu and stop blocking the crosswalk

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no evidence that low income drivers or drivers of color pay more in automatic enforcement fines than any other demographic who drives and the reason there is no evidence of that is that DC doesn't track nor even have a way to track the income of drivers who get camera citations.

The articles cited by several folks at the start of this thread do not provide any evidence about the demographics of who is getting fined.

All we know is from what state the offenders come from and for that the offenders are overwhelming not DC residents and we also know that they own cars and since car ownership rates track pretty closely to income it is a safe inference that most citations are going to people who can afford cars.

It costs nothing to obey the law and in the case of traffic citations isn't particularly difficult.

Black drivers pay six times as much in traffic camera fines as white drivers, per the Washington Post.

Why do they speed so much? I wish they wouldn't be so much more likely to speed! Such a dangerous habit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no evidence that low income drivers or drivers of color pay more in automatic enforcement fines than any other demographic who drives and the reason there is no evidence of that is that DC doesn't track nor even have a way to track the income of drivers who get camera citations.

The articles cited by several folks at the start of this thread do not provide any evidence about the demographics of who is getting fined.

All we know is from what state the offenders come from and for that the offenders are overwhelming not DC residents and we also know that they own cars and since car ownership rates track pretty closely to income it is a safe inference that most citations are going to people who can afford cars.

It costs nothing to obey the law and in the case of traffic citations isn't particularly difficult.

Black drivers pay six times as much in traffic camera fines as white drivers, per the Washington Post.

I'd ask you for the link to that article but then I also know that there is no such article, so asking would be pointless. Stop making stuff up.

[Anonymous]

Putting traffic cameras on freeways and freeway off-ramps in order to "protect pedestrians" as part of Vision Zero will never stop being hilarious. It's so transparent that city officials don't even pretend this isn't 90% about revenue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no evidence that low income drivers or drivers of color pay more in automatic enforcement fines than any other demographic who drives and the reason there is no evidence of that is that DC doesn't track nor even have a way to track the income of drivers who get camera citations.

The articles cited by several folks at the start of this thread do not provide any evidence about the demographics of who is getting fined.

All we know is from what state the offenders come from and for that the offenders are overwhelming not DC residents and we also know that they own cars and since car ownership rates track pretty closely to income it is a safe inference that most citations are going to people who can afford cars.

It costs nothing to obey the law and in the case of traffic citations isn't particularly difficult.

Black drivers pay six times as much in traffic camera fines as white drivers, per the Washington Post.

I'd ask you for the link to that article but then I also know that there is no such article, so asking would be pointless. Stop making stuff up.

Found the relevant article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/

The key part is this: "A Washington Post analysis of traffic tickets the District issued from 2016 through 2020 shows that 62 percent of all the fines from automated systems and D.C. police — $467 million — were issued in neighborhoods where Black residents make up at least 70 percent of the population and where the average median household income is below $50,000. In overwhelmingly White and financially well-off census tracts, where average median household income levels are above $100,000, the city issued about $95.9 million in infractions."

The city's most profitable camera at that time was on 295 in Ward 8, which I suspect skewed the analysis a bit.

The comments are much more informative than the article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Putting traffic cameras on freeways and freeway off-ramps in order to "protect pedestrians" as part of Vision Zero will never stop being hilarious. It's so transparent that city officials don't even pretend this isn't 90% about revenue.

Motorists are also part of Vision Zero.

Drivers can protest the revenue grab by not speeding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a dc driver with a Md speeding ticket (like 10 mph over). Do I have to pay it? I actually lost the ticket so I wasn’t sure how to pay…

If it's a Maryland speeding ticket, then you were driving at least 12 mph over the speed limit. For example, at least 37 mph in a 25 mph area.

Who cares? PP was asking if they have to pay. I don’t pay my MD parking tickets as a DC resident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a dc driver with a Md speeding ticket (like 10 mph over). Do I have to pay it? I actually lost the ticket so I wasn’t sure how to pay…

If it's a Maryland speeding ticket, then you were driving at least 12 mph over the speed limit. For example, at least 37 mph in a 25 mph area.

Who cares? PP was asking if they have to pay. I don’t pay my MD parking tickets as a DC resident.

That's between you and your conscience. A better option, in my opinion, would be adjusting your behavior so that you don't get parking or speeding tickets.

[Anonymous]

Here’s a fact:revenue would be $0 if people actually followed the speed limit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there evidence that traffic cameras have made DC safer? Obviously, people slow down when there's cameras. But the flip side is that people drive worse when they know we've turned traffic enforcement over to the cameras and, if you're on a street with no cameras (which is most of them), you can do anything you want. How do we know those two things net out to something better than when we didn't have cameras and motorists had to worry about cops pulling them over?

Yes, there is evidence that traffic cameras make streets safer. There's no asterisk for *except in DC.

Here's the number of people in DC killed by speeding drivers in past dozen years. Kindly point out to us where traffic cameras started making a difference.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

Note: the higher numbers cited in another post include ALL traffic deaths, which include people killed by drunk and stoned drivers, pedestrians stepping in front of buses, motorists having heart attacks, etc. Obviously traffic cameras can't possibly do anything about those.

Bueller?....Bueller?...Bueller?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there evidence that traffic cameras have made DC safer? Obviously, people slow down when there's cameras. But the flip side is that people drive worse when they know we've turned traffic enforcement over to the cameras and, if you're on a street with no cameras (which is most of them), you can do anything you want. How do we know those two things net out to something better than when we didn't have cameras and motorists had to worry about cops pulling them over?

Yes, there is evidence that traffic cameras make streets safer. There's no asterisk for *except in DC.

Here's the number of people in DC killed by speeding drivers in past dozen years. Kindly point out to us where traffic cameras started making a difference.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

Note: the higher numbers cited in another post include ALL traffic deaths, which include people killed by drunk and stoned drivers, pedestrians stepping in front of buses, motorists having heart attacks, etc. Obviously traffic cameras can't possibly do anything about those.

Bueller?....Bueller?...Bueller?

There have been multiple responses to your post. You just don't like the responses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Issuing traffic camera tickets to people for penny ante violations is a good way to turn the public against traffic cameras.

https://www.popville.com/2024/08/if-you-think-im-sticking-around-for-this-discussion-you-are-nuts/


I can’t be the only one that’s been getting tickets because of all of the new traffic cameras.

I consider myself a generally good driver, and hadn’t gotten a single traffic ticket in 20+ years of driving..until DC installed traffic cameras at intersections. My wife and I have gotten like 8-10 tickets over the last year for like stopping partially on the crosswalk. Or for not making a complete stop for *long enough*. Recently we got one for dropping someone off at a bus stop where you can’t stop. I get these are infractions that technically should get cited; but they’re $100 a pop, and some we thought were at the very least questionable. (No luck so far contesting them…) Plus, there aren’t signs posted like they have when speeding cameras are present.

You can avoid these tickets by:

-not speeding
-coming to a complete stop in the correct location
-not stopping in a bus lane

Don't want the fine? Don't do the crime.

Can we have the same standard for everyone?

We have mopeds going through stop signs at full speed.

We have cyclists plowing through red lights with children on back who aren't wearing helmets.

We have 13 year olds on ATVs doing wheelies down the middle of major thoroughfares.

I saw a cyclist the other day with a small child on their handle bars riding down the middle of the street (on the yellow line!) during rush hour. But, sure, let's focus on ticketing drivers who stop at stop signs at empty intersections for only two seconds instead of three seconds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there evidence that traffic cameras have made DC safer? Obviously, people slow down when there's cameras. But the flip side is that people drive worse when they know we've turned traffic enforcement over to the cameras and, if you're on a street with no cameras (which is most of them), you can do anything you want. How do we know those two things net out to something better than when we didn't have cameras and motorists had to worry about cops pulling them over?

Yes, there is evidence that traffic cameras make streets safer. There's no asterisk for *except in DC.

Here's the number of people in DC killed by speeding drivers in past dozen years. Kindly point out to us where traffic cameras started making a difference.

2022 -- 9
2021 -- 12
2020 -- 15
2019 -- 10
2018 -- 9
2017 -- 12
2016 -- 8
2015 -- 11
2014 -- 12
2013 -- 11
2012 -- 5
2011 -- 15
2010 -- 8

Note: the higher numbers cited in another post include ALL traffic deaths, which include people killed by drunk and stoned drivers, pedestrians stepping in front of buses, motorists having heart attacks, etc. Obviously traffic cameras can't possibly do anything about those.

Bueller?....Bueller?...Bueller?

There have been multiple responses to your post. You just don't like the responses.

Actually, no one has answered the question. Tell us: which year is it?

You wouldnt think this would be that hard of a question if traffic cameras actually reduce deaths.