Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was a grand total of NINE traffic deaths caused by speeding drivers in Washington DC in 2022 (the most recent stats available from the police). You're more likely to be killed by a speeding driver than be struck by lightning, but not that much more likely.

This isn't about safety. It's about replacing all the revenue the city is losing from the collapse of downtown.

I think you are the only person in the world with your particular weird obsession of "it doesn't count unless the police assigned it as a cause in a fatal crash."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was a grand total of NINE traffic deaths caused by speeding drivers in Washington DC in 2022 (the most recent stats available from the police). You're more likely to be killed by a speeding driver than be struck by lightning, but not that much more likely.

This isn't about safety. It's about replacing all the revenue the city is losing from the collapse of downtown.

Fine with me to both reduce speeding and make some money for DC. Deaths are just the extreme worst outcome. Unlawful streets make it harder to be a pedestrian, let your kids have freedom, and enjoy the city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was a grand total of NINE traffic deaths caused by speeding drivers in Washington DC in 2022 (the most recent stats available from the police). You're more likely to be killed by a speeding driver than be struck by lightning, but not that much more likely.

This isn't about safety. It's about replacing all the revenue the city is losing from the collapse of downtown.

I think you are the only person in the world with your particular weird obsession of "it doesn't count unless the police assigned it as a cause in a fatal crash."

yes and also trying to prove that pedestrians caused traffic deaths 😂

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's counter-intuitive, but traffic cameras make streets less safe because:

1. Now, no one is policing drunk and stoned drivers

2. Dangerous drivers will just avoid the streets that have traffic cameras (and they know that no traffic camera = no traffic enforcement). They can do whatever they want on streets that don't have cameras (which is most of them).

Actually, I always felt they made the streets less safe because my automatic reflex when I see one is to tap the brakes and check my speedometer. If someone is tailgating me, a sudden, unexpected brake could result in an accident. Similarly, there may be other things happening on the street that need more attention than my speedometer.

I always felt that posting the signs that display your speed would be safer than just installing cameras, because they keep your eyes on the road and let you know if you need to reduce your speed. I also like the speed bump recommendation from another PP.

So you:
-aren’t paying attention to speed limit signs when driving
-aren’t aware of your speed when driving
-aren’t paying attention to cars around you enough to not notice a tailgater
-are slamming on brakes hard enough to be rear ended in a <35 mph zone
-need expensive devices on the side of the street to tell you how fast you are going rather than paying attention yourself

It sounds like maybe you shouldn’t be driving.

This is actually how the vast majority of people drive unfortunately. People get in a multi-ton vehicle and turn off large parts of their brain, because driving is a drag and people just want it to be over.

That's why we have millions of crashes, millions of injuries and 40,000 deaths per year on the road.

This is why we need automated enforcement. Actually we need many things, but one of them is automated enforcement.

I would argue we're at the bottom of a U curve in automation system wide. We either need to automate to the point where drivers no longer drive. Or return to manual control such that you can't drive while chatting on the phone, eating a big-mac and watching your GPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's counter-intuitive, but traffic cameras make streets less safe because:

1. Now, no one is policing drunk and stoned drivers

2. Dangerous drivers will just avoid the streets that have traffic cameras (and they know that no traffic camera = no traffic enforcement). They can do whatever they want on streets that don't have cameras (which is most of them).

Actually, I always felt they made the streets less safe because my automatic reflex when I see one is to tap the brakes and check my speedometer. If someone is tailgating me, a sudden, unexpected brake could result in an accident. Similarly, there may be other things happening on the street that need more attention than my speedometer.

I always felt that posting the signs that display your speed would be safer than just installing cameras, because they keep your eyes on the road and let you know if you need to reduce your speed. I also like the speed bump recommendation from another PP.

So you:
-aren’t paying attention to speed limit signs when driving
-aren’t aware of your speed when driving
-aren’t paying attention to cars around you enough to not notice a tailgater
-are slamming on brakes hard enough to be rear ended in a <35 mph zone
-need expensive devices on the side of the street to tell you how fast you are going rather than paying attention yourself

It sounds like maybe you shouldn’t be driving.

Hey- give me a break, I’m usually drunk!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's counter-intuitive, but traffic cameras make streets less safe because:

1. Now, no one is policing drunk and stoned drivers

2. Dangerous drivers will just avoid the streets that have traffic cameras (and they know that no traffic camera = no traffic enforcement). They can do whatever they want on streets that don't have cameras (which is most of them).

Actually, I always felt they made the streets less safe because my automatic reflex when I see one is to tap the brakes and check my speedometer. If someone is tailgating me, a sudden, unexpected brake could result in an accident. Similarly, there may be other things happening on the street that need more attention than my speedometer.

I always felt that posting the signs that display your speed would be safer than just installing cameras, because they keep your eyes on the road and let you know if you need to reduce your speed. I also like the speed bump recommendation from another PP.

So you:
-aren’t paying attention to speed limit signs when driving
-aren’t aware of your speed when driving
-aren’t paying attention to cars around you enough to not notice a tailgater
-are slamming on brakes hard enough to be rear ended in a <35 mph zone
-need expensive devices on the side of the street to tell you how fast you are going rather than paying attention yourself

It sounds like maybe you shouldn’t be driving.

This is actually how the vast majority of people drive unfortunately. People get in a multi-ton vehicle and turn off large parts of their brain, because driving is a drag and people just want it to be over.

That's why we have millions of crashes, millions of injuries and 40,000 deaths per year on the road.

This is why we need automated enforcement. Actually we need many things, but one of them is automated enforcement.

I would argue we're at the bottom of a U curve in automation system wide. We either need to automate to the point where drivers no longer drive. Or return to manual control such that you can't drive while chatting on the phone, eating a big-mac and watching your GPS.

Since the first thing has supposedly been 2-5 years away for the last 15 years, let's go with the second thing.

[Anonymous]

Does DC allow people with unpaid traffic tickets to renew their registration?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is how progressive Democrats raise taxes on poor and middle class people. By pretending that's it's all about safety.

https://www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2024/08/01/speed-traffic-camera-tickets-potomac-river-freeway

Don't speed; No fine.

problem solved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the stop sign cameras are absurd. if you dont stop long enough to eat a sandwich, they will ticket you.

Not true. they simply look for the car lurch at a complete stop. if you don't come to a complete stop, you will get a ticket. You don't have to sit there for a long time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are studies showing they are effective. Maryland requires a 12 mph buffer so you have to be going 12 over the speed limit to get a ticket. Is DC similar? If so, there really is no excuse. Speed is one of the number one killers in traffic accidents.

In DC, almost half of all traffic deaths are blamed on cyclists and pedestrians and other non-motorists.

There has been like 2 cyclist killing a pedestrian in the region in the last 15 years. Please stop with the nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Traffic cameras are racist as hell.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/06/dc-traffic-parking-tickets-black-neighborhoods/

https://www.propublica.org/article/chicagos-race-neutral-traffic-cameras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's counter-intuitive, but traffic cameras make streets less safe because:

1. Now, no one is policing drunk and stoned drivers

2. Dangerous drivers will just avoid the streets that have traffic cameras (and they know that no traffic camera = no traffic enforcement). They can do whatever they want on streets that don't have cameras (which is most of them).

This is false.

The cameras free up human resources to do #1.

With respect to #2, if other areas warrant having cameras, they will get installed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are studies showing they are effective. Maryland requires a 12 mph buffer so you have to be going 12 over the speed limit to get a ticket. Is DC similar? If so, there really is no excuse. Speed is one of the number one killers in traffic accidents.

There's also studies that show they're mostly paid by poor people. Other cities have gotten rid of them because of that.

You know why? Because there are more poor people than rich people. Shocker, isn't it? Maybe you need a refresher in basic math.

Actually, I think it's that drivers are more likely to be poor, because they can't afford to live close to where they work and other places they want to go. It's easy to say you don't need a car when you live in a $3 million townhouse in DuPont Circle.

People who are poor....don't have cars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are studies showing they are effective. Maryland requires a 12 mph buffer so you have to be going 12 over the speed limit to get a ticket. Is DC similar? If so, there really is no excuse. Speed is one of the number one killers in traffic accidents.

In DC, almost half of all traffic deaths are blamed on cyclists and pedestrians and other non-motorists.

There has been like 2 cyclist killing a pedestrian in the region in the last 15 years. Please stop with the nonsense.

the statistics are publicly available. you can look them up yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There was a grand total of NINE traffic deaths caused by speeding drivers in Washington DC in 2022 (the most recent stats available from the police). You're more likely to be killed by a speeding driver than be struck by lightning, but not that much more likely.

This isn't about safety. It's about replacing all the revenue the city is losing from the collapse of downtown.

So what you are saying is that the cameras are effective in slowing people down. Sounds like a win!