Top traffic cameras bring in $1 million PER WEEK

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Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

It should change, but it will never change. That change would be a political harakiri for MD and VA politicians. "The District has hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of outstanding fines at stake, which could prove challenging for neighboring politicians who don’t want to appear to be doing the District’s bidding, city officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/28/dc-virginia-maryland-ticket-reciprocity/

It should change, and it can change. There's already reciprocity for non-automated citations. I'm sure Maryland and Virginia elected officials want DC drivers in Maryland and Virginia to have to pay their automated citations. So there you go: reciprocity.

It won't change. It was already tried and rejected.

"Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets"

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and...fic-camera-tickets/#

You might have noticed that Maryland has a different governor now.

If you have bothered to read the article you should have noticed that that it was a legislature decision controlled by Democrats in 2021.

So? There was an election in 2022.

Give it up. It's already bad enough that MD catches many criminals coming over the border to commit crimes, only to have DC release them for "equity" reasons. DC should get its act together in prosecuting criminals that MD hands them on a silver platter before worrying about collecting traffic ticket fines from MD residents.

Maryland residents who drive in DC should obey DC traffic laws.

The decision to hold Maryland residents who disobey DC traffic laws accountable will not be made by you, or by me, but by the elected officials of Maryland. I am will suggest reciprocity to my Maryland elected officials as legislation for them to introduce in the 2025 General Assembly session.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

It should change, but it will never change. That change would be a political harakiri for MD and VA politicians. "The District has hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of outstanding fines at stake, which could prove challenging for neighboring politicians who don’t want to appear to be doing the District’s bidding, city officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/28/dc-virginia-maryland-ticket-reciprocity/

It should change, and it can change. There's already reciprocity for non-automated citations. I'm sure Maryland and Virginia elected officials want DC drivers in Maryland and Virginia to have to pay their automated citations. So there you go: reciprocity.

It won't change. It was already tried and rejected.

"Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets"

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and...fic-camera-tickets/#

You might have noticed that Maryland has a different governor now.

If you have bothered to read the article you should have noticed that that it was a legislature decision controlled by Democrats in 2021.

So? There was an election in 2022.

Yes, tow years ago. Democrat majority and still not reciprocity.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m middle class, I drive the SL so I don’t pay this stupidity tax. And enforcing speed limits IS about safety.

Drive the SL OP.

The problem is that speed cameras don't enforce speed limits, especially if you are a VA or MD driver. On the contrary, speed bumps actually enforce speed limits.

What a great argument for speed-camera reciprocity.

-Maryland resident

There is reciprocity between DC, MD, and VA, but only for tickets issued by police officers. The law doesn't allow reciprocity for speed cameras tickets.

Maryland and Virginia could enter into reciprocal agreements with DC, and should do so.

https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/47968/Introduction/RC24-0078-Introduction.pdf

Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and-maryland-rebuff-dc-request-to-force-drivers-to-pay-traffic-camera-tickets/#

Tickets written by police are subject to reciprocity under the Non-Resident Violators Compact, in which 44 states (including Maryland, Virginia, and D.C.) participate. But the automated ticket cameras are not included under those agreements.

Right. That needs to change.

It should change, but it will never change. That change would be a political harakiri for MD and VA politicians. "The District has hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of outstanding fines at stake, which could prove challenging for neighboring politicians who don’t want to appear to be doing the District’s bidding, city officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/12/28/dc-virginia-maryland-ticket-reciprocity/

It should change, and it can change. There's already reciprocity for non-automated citations. I'm sure Maryland and Virginia elected officials want DC drivers in Maryland and Virginia to have to pay their automated citations. So there you go: reciprocity.

It won't change. It was already tried and rejected.

"Virginia And Maryland Rebuffed D.C.’s Request To Force Drivers To Pay Traffic Camera Tickets"

https://dcist.com/story/21/10/08/virginia-and...fic-camera-tickets/#

You might have noticed that Maryland has a different governor now.

If you have bothered to read the article you should have noticed that that it was a legislature decision controlled by Democrats in 2021.

So? There was an election in 2022.

Give it up. It's already bad enough that MD catches many criminals coming over the border to commit crimes, only to have DC release them for "equity" reasons. DC should get its act together in prosecuting criminals that MD hands them on a silver platter before worrying about collecting traffic ticket fines from MD residents.

Maryland residents who drive in DC should obey DC traffic laws.

The decision to hold Maryland residents who disobey DC traffic laws accountable will not be made by you, or by me, but by the elected officials of Maryland. I am will suggest reciprocity to my Maryland elected officials as legislation for them to introduce in the 2025 General Assembly session.

You don't get it. DC can't even hold criminals accountable when MD catches those criminals. I think MD elected officials are smart enough to realize that its citizens shouldn't be funding the irresponsible DC government; they just won't say it out loud.

[Anonymous]

After racking up over $600 in camera fines with late fees for driving 11 miles over speed limit (all on Independence by RFK/non residential zone), I invested $10 to buy new license plates rather than paying those predatory fines. I now feel more at ease parking on DC streets without being an obvious boot target.

VA resident

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There is no evidence that low income drivers or drivers of color pay more in automatic enforcement fines than any other demographic who drives and the reason there is no evidence of that is that DC doesn't track nor even have a way to track the income of drivers who get camera citations.

The articles cited by several folks at the start of this thread do not provide any evidence about the demographics of who is getting fined.

All we know is from what state the offenders come from and for that the offenders are overwhelming not DC residents and we also know that they own cars and since car ownership rates track pretty closely to income it is a safe inference that most citations are going to people who can afford cars.

It costs nothing to obey the law and in the case of traffic citations isn't particularly difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:After racking up over $600 in camera fines with late fees for driving 11 miles over speed limit (all on Independence by RFK/non residential zone), I invested $10 to buy new license plates rather than paying those predatory fines. I now feel more at ease parking on DC streets without being an obvious boot target.

VA resident

Another reason why there should be ticket reciprocity. Virginia drivers shouldn't get to break traffic laws in DC with impunity.

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I’m a dc driver with a Md speeding ticket (like 10 mph over). Do I have to pay it? I actually lost the ticket so I wasn’t sure how to pay…

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a dc driver with a Md speeding ticket (like 10 mph over). Do I have to pay it? I actually lost the ticket so I wasn’t sure how to pay…

If it's a Maryland speeding ticket, then you were driving at least 12 mph over the speed limit. For example, at least 37 mph in a 25 mph area.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no evidence that low income drivers or drivers of color pay more in automatic enforcement fines than any other demographic who drives and the reason there is no evidence of that is that DC doesn't track nor even have a way to track the income of drivers who get camera citations.

The articles cited by several folks at the start of this thread do not provide any evidence about the demographics of who is getting fined.

All we know is from what state the offenders come from and for that the offenders are overwhelming not DC residents and we also know that they own cars and since car ownership rates track pretty closely to income it is a safe inference that most citations are going to people who can afford cars.

It costs nothing to obey the law and in the case of traffic citations isn't particularly difficult.

Black drivers pay six times as much in traffic camera fines as white drivers, per the Washington Post.

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Issuing traffic camera tickets to people for penny ante violations is a good way to turn the public against traffic cameras.

https://www.popville.com/2024/08/if-you-think-im-sticking-around-for-this-discussion-you-are-nuts/


I can’t be the only one that’s been getting tickets because of all of the new traffic cameras.

I consider myself a generally good driver, and hadn’t gotten a single traffic ticket in 20+ years of driving..until DC installed traffic cameras at intersections. My wife and I have gotten like 8-10 tickets over the last year for like stopping partially on the crosswalk. Or for not making a complete stop for *long enough*. Recently we got one for dropping someone off at a bus stop where you can’t stop. I get these are infractions that technically should get cited; but they’re $100 a pop, and some we thought were at the very least questionable. (No luck so far contesting them…) Plus, there aren’t signs posted like they have when speeding cameras are present.

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Anonymous wrote:Issuing traffic camera tickets to people for penny ante violations is a good way to turn the public against traffic cameras.

https://www.popville.com/2024/08/if-you-think-im-sticking-around-for-this-discussion-you-are-nuts/


I can’t be the only one that’s been getting tickets because of all of the new traffic cameras.

I consider myself a generally good driver, and hadn’t gotten a single traffic ticket in 20+ years of driving..until DC installed traffic cameras at intersections. My wife and I have gotten like 8-10 tickets over the last year for like stopping partially on the crosswalk. Or for not making a complete stop for *long enough*. Recently we got one for dropping someone off at a bus stop where you can’t stop. I get these are infractions that technically should get cited; but they’re $100 a pop, and some we thought were at the very least questionable. (No luck so far contesting them…) Plus, there aren’t signs posted like they have when speeding cameras are present.

You can avoid these tickets by:

-not speeding
-coming to a complete stop in the correct location
-not stopping in a bus lane

Don't want the fine? Don't do the crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Issuing traffic camera tickets to people for penny ante violations is a good way to turn the public against traffic cameras.

https://www.popville.com/2024/08/if-you-think-im-sticking-around-for-this-discussion-you-are-nuts/


I can’t be the only one that’s been getting tickets because of all of the new traffic cameras.

I consider myself a generally good driver, and hadn’t gotten a single traffic ticket in 20+ years of driving..until DC installed traffic cameras at intersections. My wife and I have gotten like 8-10 tickets over the last year for like stopping partially on the crosswalk. Or for not making a complete stop for *long enough*. Recently we got one for dropping someone off at a bus stop where you can’t stop. I get these are infractions that technically should get cited; but they’re $100 a pop, and some we thought were at the very least questionable. (No luck so far contesting them…) Plus, there aren’t signs posted like they have when speeding cameras are present.

um those are all not good things. you deserve the ticket.

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Anonymous wrote:Issuing traffic camera tickets to people for penny ante violations is a good way to turn the public against traffic cameras.

https://www.popville.com/2024/08/if-you-think-im-sticking-around-for-this-discussion-you-are-nuts/


I can’t be the only one that’s been getting tickets because of all of the new traffic cameras.

I consider myself a generally good driver, and hadn’t gotten a single traffic ticket in 20+ years of driving..until DC installed traffic cameras at intersections. My wife and I have gotten like 8-10 tickets over the last year for like stopping partially on the crosswalk. Or for not making a complete stop for *long enough*. Recently we got one for dropping someone off at a bus stop where you can’t stop. I get these are infractions that technically should get cited; but they’re $100 a pop, and some we thought were at the very least questionable. (No luck so far contesting them…) Plus, there aren’t signs posted like they have when speeding cameras are present.

You can avoid these tickets by:

-not speeding
-coming to a complete stop in the correct location
-not stopping in a bus lane

Don't want the fine? Don't do the crime.

Can we have the same standard for everyone?

We have mopeds going through stop signs at full speed.

We have cyclists plowing through red lights with children on back who aren't wearing helmets.

We have 13 year olds on ATVs doing wheelies down the middle of major thoroughfares.

[Anonymous]

Just put your destination in google maps in your phone for directions. Google will give you the shortest route taking inconsideration of traffic and accidents along with red light and speed cameras. I don’t know if the app has caught up to stop sign cameras yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Issuing traffic camera tickets to people for penny ante violations is a good way to turn the public against traffic cameras.

https://www.popville.com/2024/08/if-you-think-im-sticking-around-for-this-discussion-you-are-nuts/


I can’t be the only one that’s been getting tickets because of all of the new traffic cameras.

I consider myself a generally good driver, and hadn’t gotten a single traffic ticket in 20+ years of driving..until DC installed traffic cameras at intersections. My wife and I have gotten like 8-10 tickets over the last year for like stopping partially on the crosswalk. Or for not making a complete stop for *long enough*. Recently we got one for dropping someone off at a bus stop where you can’t stop. I get these are infractions that technically should get cited; but they’re $100 a pop, and some we thought were at the very least questionable. (No luck so far contesting them…) Plus, there aren’t signs posted like they have when speeding cameras are present.

You can avoid these tickets by:

-not speeding
-coming to a complete stop in the correct location
-not stopping in a bus lane

Don't want the fine? Don't do the crime.

Can we have the same standard for everyone?

We have mopeds going through stop signs at full speed.

We have cyclists plowing through red lights with children on back who aren't wearing helmets.

We have 13 year olds on ATVs doing wheelies down the middle of major thoroughfares.

Mopeds are bicycles, unless they aren't.

Helmet use discourages biking.

ATVs are DC culture.