Was UM, UVA, and UW Madison considered more “prestigious” back in the day?

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Anonymous wrote:I live in NC. UVA has always been considered prestigious. UM and UWMadison never have been: top kids do not apply. They apply to UNC-CH and NCState as "backups" then they apply to UVA as reach(OOS) and T15/ivy for super reaches. UVA is highly respected and sough after here, and many pick it over UNC in state because it is seen as slightly more prestigious and more national than UNC which is dominated by in-state kids and they think it will be a repeat of high school cliques.

So what you’re saying is the UNC and UVA are regional schools. Nobody, outside of your bubble, thinks either school is more prestigious than Michigan.

And yet UVA is ranked immediately below Michigan (no 4 public) Nd UNA is ranked right below that (No 5) by USNWR best public jniversities in America https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

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Anonymous wrote:Back when I graduated high school( in the eighties), these were the schools people talked about. They weren’t Harvard, but I’d put them analogous to Notre Dame or Vanderbilt today. What happened? Is it all because they say “public” or “land-grant”, kind of how the ultra pretentious rip on Cornell.

The answer is that universities began to compete like firms starting in the Reagan Era. Notre Dame and Vanderbilt built up their endowments and invested in their resources to attract talented students. Michigan and Virginia, while public, did similar things, with Michigan allowing its sports teams to market and bring in revenue. They also have top graduate professional schools (mba/JD).

Wisconsin, one of the few land grants with great academics, did not become more market oriented. It hasn’t changed, in fact quite the opposite. While the others privatized, Wisconsin remained an old fashioned state university which cared more about graduate research than undergraduate education.

The US News rank reflects that perfectly. Notre Dame and Vanderbilt are considered slightly more prestigious ( for undergraduate), UVA and Michigan are tied, and Wisconsin is a bit behind. It’s not rocket science.

The history has nothing to do with "the Reagan era", whatever that means. Today's competitiveness has to do with the rise and power of USNew&WOrld report. Schools started reporting their test scores and GPA to USNWR, and USNWR because (IMHO ) far too powerful.

+1 exactly. USNWR was created in 1983. From that point on, the colleges were competing against USNWR. Has nothing to do with Reagan

and a few years later like 86-88 they changed how they rank public universities and they all went down int he ratings substantially

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not a big deal when I went to college in 1997.

Agent Starling bragged about going there though.

I went to high school in Massachusetts in the 1970s & the first thing that made me aware of UVA was that the Kennedys sent two of their dimmer bulbs to its law school. Decades ago I assumed that meant its law school was good, but now I think they probably attended because they could make some DC connections & sow a ton of wild oats without offending anyone of importance.

Nevertheless, today UVA law is ranked no 4. UVA undergrad is ranked 24 in the nation for all schools and no. 4 best public university.

The 4th best public based on metrics that favor what UVA is good at: producing unintellectual finance bros. UVA is not a leader in higher education, its PhDs fair horribly on the market, and undergraduate research is shoddy and baseless given the lack of notable faculty across disciplines (UVA has a low ranking history and math department, for example)

You sound bitter. I’m sorry if you or your kid was rejected.

If anything, UVA is underrated these days. Also, have you seen that campus? It's absolutely gorgeous!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I live in NC. UVA has always been considered prestigious. UM and UWMadison never have been: top kids do not apply. They apply to UNC-CH and NCState as "backups" then they apply to UVA as reach(OOS) and T15/ivy for super reaches. UVA is highly respected and sough after here, and many pick it over UNC in state because it is seen as slightly more prestigious and more national than UNC which is dominated by in-state kids and they think it will be a repeat of high school cliques.

So what you’re saying is the UNC and UVA are regional schools. Nobody, outside of your bubble, thinks either school is more prestigious than Michigan.

And yet UVA is ranked immediately below Michigan (no 4 public) Nd UNA is ranked right below that (No 5) by USNWR best public jniversities in America https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

And yet they aren’t as prestigious as Michigan since they are ranked lower. In world rankings, neither school is ranked anywhere near Michigan in prestige either.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in NC. UVA has always been considered prestigious. UM and UWMadison never have been: top kids do not apply. They apply to UNC-CH and NCState as "backups" then they apply to UVA as reach(OOS) and T15/ivy for super reaches. UVA is highly respected and sough after here, and many pick it over UNC in state because it is seen as slightly more prestigious and more national than UNC which is dominated by in-state kids and they think it will be a repeat of high school cliques.

So what you’re saying is the UNC and UVA are regional schools. Nobody, outside of your bubble, thinks either school is more prestigious than Michigan.

And yet UVA is ranked immediately below Michigan (no 4 public) Nd UNA is ranked right below that (No 5) by USNWR best public jniversities in America https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

And yet they aren’t as prestigious as Michigan since they are ranked lower. In world rankings, neither school is ranked anywhere near Michigan in prestige either.

Wisconsin used to be ranked higher, and even better than Michigan internationally. I can only think that Wisconsin’s punching over its weight has come to an end.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in NC. UVA has always been considered prestigious. UM and UWMadison never have been: top kids do not apply. They apply to UNC-CH and NCState as "backups" then they apply to UVA as reach(OOS) and T15/ivy for super reaches. UVA is highly respected and sough after here, and many pick it over UNC in state because it is seen as slightly more prestigious and more national than UNC which is dominated by in-state kids and they think it will be a repeat of high school cliques.

So what you’re saying is the UNC and UVA are regional schools. Nobody, outside of your bubble, thinks either school is more prestigious than Michigan.

And yet UVA is ranked immediately below Michigan (no 4 public) Nd UNA is ranked right below that (No 5) by USNWR best public jniversities in America https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

And yet they aren’t as prestigious as Michigan since they are ranked lower. In world rankings, neither school is ranked anywhere near Michigan in prestige either.

Wisconsin used to be ranked higher, and even better than Michigan internationally. I can only think that Wisconsin’s punching over its weight has come to an end.

Anyone who lives in Wisconsin is a loser farmer, and anyone who goes to Wisconsin OOS probably got cross-admitted to IU. Umich and UIUC are just completely out of UW’s leave at this point.
And that makes sense; Chicago and Detroit metro areas are civilization surrounded by the barbarism in Wisconsin and Indiana…

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Anonymous wrote:I live in NC. UVA has always been considered prestigious. UM and UWMadison never have been: top kids do not apply. They apply to UNC-CH and NCState as "backups" then they apply to UVA as reach(OOS) and T15/ivy for super reaches. UVA is highly respected and sough after here, and many pick it over UNC in state because it is seen as slightly more prestigious and more national than UNC which is dominated by in-state kids and they think it will be a repeat of high school cliques.

So what you’re saying is the UNC and UVA are regional schools. Nobody, outside of your bubble, thinks either school is more prestigious than Michigan.

And yet UVA is ranked immediately below Michigan (no 4 public) Nd UNA is ranked right below that (No 5) by USNWR best public jniversities in America https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

And yet they aren’t as prestigious as Michigan since they are ranked lower. In world rankings, neither school is ranked anywhere near Michigan in prestige either.

Wisconsin used to be ranked higher, and even better than Michigan internationally. I can only think that Wisconsin’s punching over its weight has come to an end.

Anyone who lives in Wisconsin is a loser farmer, and anyone who goes to Wisconsin OOS probably got cross-admitted to IU. Umich and UIUC are just completely out of UW’s leave at this point.
And that makes sense; Chicago and Detroit metro areas are civilization surrounded by the barbarism in Wisconsin and Indiana…

Literally what

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Anonymous wrote:I live in NC. UVA has always been considered prestigious. UM and UWMadison never have been: top kids do not apply. They apply to UNC-CH and NCState as "backups" then they apply to UVA as reach(OOS) and T15/ivy for super reaches. UVA is highly respected and sough after here, and many pick it over UNC in state because it is seen as slightly more prestigious and more national than UNC which is dominated by in-state kids and they think it will be a repeat of high school cliques.

So what you’re saying is the UNC and UVA are regional schools. Nobody, outside of your bubble, thinks either school is more prestigious than Michigan.

And yet UVA is ranked immediately below Michigan (no 4 public) Nd UNA is ranked right below that (No 5) by USNWR best public jniversities in America https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

And yet they aren’t as prestigious as Michigan since they are ranked lower. In world rankings, neither school is ranked anywhere near Michigan in prestige either.

Wisconsin used to be ranked higher, and even better than Michigan internationally. I can only think that Wisconsin’s punching over its weight has come to an end.

Anyone who lives in Wisconsin is a loser farmer, and anyone who goes to Wisconsin OOS probably got cross-admitted to IU. Umich and UIUC are just completely out of UW’s leave at this point.
And that makes sense; Chicago and Detroit metro areas are civilization surrounded by the barbarism in Wisconsin and Indiana…

Literally what

LWNJ still pissed about Tuesday.