Was UM, UVA, and UW Madison considered more “prestigious” back in the day?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not a big deal when I went to college in 1997.

Agent Starling bragged about going there though.

I went to high school in Massachusetts in the 1970s & the first thing that made me aware of UVA was that the Kennedys sent two of their dimmer bulbs to its law school. Decades ago I assumed that meant its law school was good, but now I think they probably attended because they could make some DC connections & sow a ton of wild oats without offending anyone of importance.

Nevertheless, today UVA law is ranked no 4. UVA undergrad is ranked 24 in the nation for all schools and no. 4 best public university.

The 4th best public based on metrics that favor what UVA is good at: producing unintellectual finance bros. UVA is not a leader in higher education, its PhDs fair horribly on the market, and undergraduate research is shoddy and baseless given the lack of notable faculty across disciplines (UVA has a low ranking history and math department, for example)

Sources, please.

Bruh. Just look at the UNSWR department rankings. History=30s, math=40s, any language that exists other than English=unranked, engineering=30/, philosophy=unranked. Was not an AAU founding member, and not admitted until 1923 (IU joined more than a decade before it).

Notice how almost all of UVA’s alumni before 1950 earn undergrad or graduate L.L.Bs

That my friends is a trade school

UVA is a highly ranked and well respected school. Deal with it.

It is ranked and well respected exclusively due to its trade schools which create an upper middle southern class (lawyers, finance bros). It is not at all good at pure academics, nor respected by pure academics ( as seen by its peer reputation score on various departments by academics)

UW Madison does literally everything better than UVA does, while having a robust pure academic tradition. 1. It’s more historically prestigious (AAU founding member). 2. It’s cheaper and more accessible ( as a public university should be 3. All of its academic departments ( and I do mean all, humanities and stem) significantly outrank UVA. 4. Its alumni outcomes produce alumni as diverse as the most Fortune 500 ceos, to leading humanities academics like Yale’s David W Blight.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not a big deal when I went to college in 1997.

Agent Starling bragged about going there though.

I went to high school in Massachusetts in the 1970s & the first thing that made me aware of UVA was that the Kennedys sent two of their dimmer bulbs to its law school. Decades ago I assumed that meant its law school was good, but now I think they probably attended because they could make some DC connections & sow a ton of wild oats without offending anyone of importance.

Nevertheless, today UVA law is ranked no 4. UVA undergrad is ranked 24 in the nation for all schools and no. 4 best public university.

The 4th best public based on metrics that favor what UVA is good at: producing unintellectual finance bros. UVA is not a leader in higher education, its PhDs fair horribly on the market, and undergraduate research is shoddy and baseless given the lack of notable faculty across disciplines (UVA has a low ranking history and math department, for example)

Sources, please.

Bruh. Just look at the UNSWR department rankings. History=30s, math=40s, any language that exists other than English=unranked, engineering=30/, philosophy=unranked. Was not an AAU founding member, and not admitted until 1923 (IU joined more than a decade before it).

Notice how almost all of UVA’s alumni before 1950 earn undergrad or graduate L.L.Bs

That my friends is a trade school

UVA is a highly ranked and well respected school. Deal with it.

It is ranked and well respected exclusively due to its trade schools which create an upper middle southern class (lawyers, finance bros). It is not at all good at pure academics, nor respected by pure academics ( as seen by its peer reputation score on various departments by academics)

UW Madison does literally everything better than UVA does, while having a robust pure academic tradition. 1. It’s more historically prestigious (AAU founding member). 2. It’s cheaper and more accessible ( as a public university should be 3. All of its academic departments ( and I do mean all, humanities and stem) significantly outrank UVA. 4. Its alumni outcomes produce alumni as diverse as the most Fortune 500 ceos, to leading humanities academics like Yale’s David W Blight.

As I stated, DEAL WITH IT. You or your kid must have been rejected by UVA. Stop. It’s not a good look.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not a big deal when I went to college in 1997.

Agent Starling bragged about going there though.

I went to high school in Massachusetts in the 1970s & the first thing that made me aware of UVA was that the Kennedys sent two of their dimmer bulbs to its law school. Decades ago I assumed that meant its law school was good, but now I think they probably attended because they could make some DC connections & sow a ton of wild oats without offending anyone of importance.

Nevertheless, today UVA law is ranked no 4. UVA undergrad is ranked 24 in the nation for all schools and no. 4 best public university.

The 4th best public based on metrics that favor what UVA is good at: producing unintellectual finance bros. UVA is not a leader in higher education, its PhDs fair horribly on the market, and undergraduate research is shoddy and baseless given the lack of notable faculty across disciplines (UVA has a low ranking history and math department, for example)

Sources, please.

Bruh. Just look at the UNSWR department rankings. History=30s, math=40s, any language that exists other than English=unranked, engineering=30/, philosophy=unranked. Was not an AAU founding member, and not admitted until 1923 (IU joined more than a decade before it).

Notice how almost all of UVA’s alumni before 1950 earn undergrad or graduate L.L.Bs

That my friends is a trade school

UVA is a highly ranked and well respected school. Deal with it.

It is ranked and well respected exclusively due to its trade schools which create an upper middle southern class (lawyers, finance bros). It is not at all good at pure academics, nor respected by pure academics ( as seen by its peer reputation score on various departments by academics)

UW Madison does literally everything better than UVA does, while having a robust pure academic tradition. 1. It’s more historically prestigious (AAU founding member). 2. It’s cheaper and more accessible ( as a public university should be 3. All of its academic departments ( and I do mean all, humanities and stem) significantly outrank UVA. 4. Its alumni outcomes produce alumni as diverse as the most Fortune 500 ceos, to leading humanities academics like Yale’s David W Blight.

As I stated, DEAL WITH IT. You or your kid must have been rejected by UVA. Stop. It’s not a good look.

+1. She goes on and on and "trade school" which is absurd and indicates a mental health issue. If you want a VA trade school, look to Virginia Tech. You can study all sorts if "trades" there, not UVA

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not a big deal when I went to college in 1997.

Agent Starling bragged about going there though.

I went to high school in Massachusetts in the 1970s & the first thing that made me aware of UVA was that the Kennedys sent two of their dimmer bulbs to its law school. Decades ago I assumed that meant its law school was good, but now I think they probably attended because they could make some DC connections & sow a ton of wild oats without offending anyone of importance.

Nevertheless, today UVA law is ranked no 4. UVA undergrad is ranked 24 in the nation for all schools and no. 4 best public university.

The 4th best public based on metrics that favor what UVA is good at: producing unintellectual finance bros. UVA is not a leader in higher education, its PhDs fair horribly on the market, and undergraduate research is shoddy and baseless given the lack of notable faculty across disciplines (UVA has a low ranking history and math department, for example)

Sources, please.

Bruh. Just look at the UNSWR department rankings. History=30s, math=40s, any language that exists other than English=unranked, engineering=30/, philosophy=unranked. Was not an AAU founding member, and not admitted until 1923 (IU joined more than a decade before it).

Notice how almost all of UVA’s alumni before 1950 earn undergrad or graduate L.L.Bs

That my friends is a trade school

UVA is a highly ranked and well respected school. Deal with it.

It is ranked and well respected exclusively due to its trade schools which create an upper middle southern class (lawyers, finance bros). It is not at all good at pure academics, nor respected by pure academics ( as seen by its peer reputation score on various departments by academics)

UW Madison does literally everything better than UVA does, while having a robust pure academic tradition. 1. It’s more historically prestigious (AAU founding member). 2. It’s cheaper and more accessible ( as a public university should be 3. All of its academic departments ( and I do mean all, humanities and stem) significantly outrank UVA. 4. Its alumni outcomes produce alumni as diverse as the most Fortune 500 ceos, to leading humanities academics like Yale’s David W Blight.

As I stated, DEAL WITH IT. You or your kid must have been rejected by UVA. Stop. It’s not a good look.

+1. She goes on and on and "trade school" which is absurd and indicates a mental health issue. If you want a VA trade school, look to Virginia Tech. You can study all sorts if "trades" there, not UVA

Wow, you just did the same thing to Tech that the PP did to UVa.

That seems...hypocritical.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is unique among publics for the combination of its founders, its architecture, its age, its quality education, including its professional schools, and its strong connections with Ivies.

What "connections with Ivies"? It's a state school.

Wasn’t there some informal connection between UVA & Princeton? Woodrow Wilson & all that? Something about Princeton being the farthest south of the prestigious Northeastern colleges, & therefore being more inclined than the others to deal with UVA?

uh. no. Wilson attended UVA for law. Want to try that assertion again with facts?

He dropped out of UVA law, because it was un-intellectual. Actually, UVA exclusively taught law during the 1870-1880s, a practice that continued well into the 1920s. Basically, UVA was a trade school for the southern elite.

Johns Hopkins, on the other hand, offered a true intellectual atmosphere, one which Wilson quickly accepted a took a PhD in American History ( focusing on law).

Believe or not, most historians of law are more proficient in the law than actual lawyers. Lawyers are more or less greasy, sweaty, pompous sophists.

UVA is still like this. Most professors are nobody’s in terms of academic profile or intelligent. The only two nationally competitive departments are for dumb rich people, business and law. To be clear, business is always for dumb people, even Harvard Business School.

Thank you for your nuanced dissection of American higher education. In a world in which so many people resort to broad generalizations, it’s refreshing to find someone who can deal with the gray areas.

However, I think Wilson dropped out of UVA law for health reasons but studied it on his own & passed the bar. He apparently gave up on law after finding PRACTICING it (not studying it) to be unfulfilling.

Wilson was fundamentally a scholar, an intelligent progressive. I can’t think of a more idiosyncratic juxtaposition than lawyers and intelligent progressives.

Progressive? He opposed women's suffeage until he was forced to go along and imposed segregation in the executive branch.

Yes, progressives are racist & misogynistic. Bill Clinton & the cigar, Biden loving Byrd, “articulate & clean.” Planned Parenthood has a big presence in black neighborhoods to keep their population down. Where have you been?

I have been to history class and the term progressive referred to an era in the early 20th century of political reform. You are thinking of the modern use where progressive is a rebranding of liberal. Teddy Roosevelt was much more progressive than Wilson. Wilson had a foot firmly in the 1800s with Jim Crow, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not a big deal when I went to college in 1997.

Agent Starling bragged about going there though.

I went to high school in Massachusetts in the 1970s & the first thing that made me aware of UVA was that the Kennedys sent two of their dimmer bulbs to its law school. Decades ago I assumed that meant its law school was good, but now I think they probably attended because they could make some DC connections & sow a ton of wild oats without offending anyone of importance.

Nevertheless, today UVA law is ranked no 4. UVA undergrad is ranked 24 in the nation for all schools and no. 4 best public university.

The 4th best public based on metrics that favor what UVA is good at: producing unintellectual finance bros. UVA is not a leader in higher education, its PhDs fair horribly on the market, and undergraduate research is shoddy and baseless given the lack of notable faculty across disciplines (UVA has a low ranking history and math department, for example)

Sources, please.

Bruh. Just look at the UNSWR department rankings. History=30s, math=40s, any language that exists other than English=unranked, engineering=30/, philosophy=unranked. Was not an AAU founding member, and not admitted until 1923 (IU joined more than a decade before it).

Notice how almost all of UVA’s alumni before 1950 earn undergrad or graduate L.L.Bs

That my friends is a trade school

UVA is a highly ranked and well respected school. Deal with it.

It is ranked and well respected exclusively due to its trade schools which create an upper middle southern class (lawyers, finance bros). It is not at all good at pure academics, nor respected by pure academics ( as seen by its peer reputation score on various departments by academics)

UW Madison does literally everything better than UVA does, while having a robust pure academic tradition. 1. It’s more historically prestigious (AAU founding member). 2. It’s cheaper and more accessible ( as a public university should be 3. All of its academic departments ( and I do mean all, humanities and stem) significantly outrank UVA. 4. Its alumni outcomes produce alumni as diverse as the most Fortune 500 ceos, to leading humanities academics like Yale’s David W Blight.

As I stated, DEAL WITH IT. You or your kid must have been rejected by UVA. Stop. It’s not a good look.

This is a stupid conversation. Regardless of whether UVA or UW Madison is better academically, that fact that this could even be a debate is a miracle. Wisconsin is not a populous or notable state for any reason other than its university. Virginia is a historic state with lots of wealth and connection to the federal government.

Actually, I’m pretty sure Wisconsin is the best flagship for the least important state . Everyone other flagship roughly in its league is the flagship of very important and wealthy states ( UC’s, Texas, Washington, Michigan, Illinois, NC, Virginia).

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not a big deal when I went to college in 1997.

Agent Starling bragged about going there though.

I went to high school in Massachusetts in the 1970s & the first thing that made me aware of UVA was that the Kennedys sent two of their dimmer bulbs to its law school. Decades ago I assumed that meant its law school was good, but now I think they probably attended because they could make some DC connections & sow a ton of wild oats without offending anyone of importance.

Nevertheless, today UVA law is ranked no 4. UVA undergrad is ranked 24 in the nation for all schools and no. 4 best public university.

The 4th best public based on metrics that favor what UVA is good at: producing unintellectual finance bros. UVA is not a leader in higher education, its PhDs fair horribly on the market, and undergraduate research is shoddy and baseless given the lack of notable faculty across disciplines (UVA has a low ranking history and math department, for example)

Sources, please.

Bruh. Just look at the UNSWR department rankings. History=30s, math=40s, any language that exists other than English=unranked, engineering=30/, philosophy=unranked. Was not an AAU founding member, and not admitted until 1923 (IU joined more than a decade before it).

Notice how almost all of UVA’s alumni before 1950 earn undergrad or graduate L.L.Bs

That my friends is a trade school

UVA is a highly ranked and well respected school. Deal with it.

It is ranked and well respected exclusively due to its trade schools which create an upper middle southern class (lawyers, finance bros). It is not at all good at pure academics, nor respected by pure academics ( as seen by its peer reputation score on various departments by academics)

UW Madison does literally everything better than UVA does, while having a robust pure academic tradition. 1. It’s more historically prestigious (AAU founding member). 2. It’s cheaper and more accessible ( as a public university should be 3. All of its academic departments ( and I do mean all, humanities and stem) significantly outrank UVA. 4. Its alumni outcomes produce alumni as diverse as the most Fortune 500 ceos, to leading humanities academics like Yale’s David W Blight.

As I stated, DEAL WITH IT. You or your kid must have been rejected by UVA. Stop. It’s not a good look.

This is a stupid conversation. Regardless of whether UVA or UW Madison is better academically, that fact that this could even be a debate is a miracle. Wisconsin is not a populous or notable state for any reason other than its university. Virginia is a historic state with lots of wealth and connection to the federal government.

Actually, I’m pretty sure Wisconsin is the best flagship for the least important state . Everyone other flagship roughly in its league is the flagship of very important and wealthy states ( UC’s, Texas, Washington, Michigan, Illinois, NC, Virginia).

So you’re saying Wiscy is the best of the wurst? 😁

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What is this comparison? So weird

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I live in NC. UVA has always been considered prestigious. UM and UWMadison never have been: top kids do not apply. They apply to UNC-CH and NCState as "backups" then they apply to UVA as reach(OOS) and T15/ivy for super reaches. UVA is highly respected and sough after here, and many pick it over UNC in state because it is seen as slightly more prestigious and more national than UNC which is dominated by in-state kids and they think it will be a repeat of high school cliques.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think they were ever equivalent to Vanderbilt.

THey were on a higher level. Places like Notre Dame or Vanderbilt were mostly for rich kids who couldn't get into those schools.

I think some of this may have been due to how US News changed how it ranked state schools in the later part of the 80s. Schools like UM, UVA and Berekely dropped significantly at the time.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in NC. UVA has always been considered prestigious. UM and UWMadison never have been: top kids do not apply. They apply to UNC-CH and NCState as "backups" then they apply to UVA as reach(OOS) and T15/ivy for super reaches. UVA is highly respected and sough after here, and many pick it over UNC in state because it is seen as slightly more prestigious and more national than UNC which is dominated by in-state kids and they think it will be a repeat of high school cliques.

So what you’re saying is the UNC and UVA are regional schools. Nobody, outside of your bubble, thinks either school is more prestigious than Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in NC. UVA has always been considered prestigious. UM and UWMadison never have been: top kids do not apply. They apply to UNC-CH and NCState as "backups" then they apply to UVA as reach(OOS) and T15/ivy for super reaches. UVA is highly respected and sough after here, and many pick it over UNC in state because it is seen as slightly more prestigious and more national than UNC which is dominated by in-state kids and they think it will be a repeat of high school cliques.

So what you’re saying is the UNC and UVA are regional schools. Nobody, outside of your bubble, thinks either school is more prestigious than Michigan.

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My sibling graduated HS in the mid 80s and went to UVA. It is much more prestigious now.

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More prestigious than what? More prestigious than univ of Georgia or univ of Alabama or any Florida univ, yes.

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Back in the '80ies the SLACs were much more prestigious. The state flagships have risen as tech degrees became very popular. I do think SLACs like Vassar have fallen a bit in prestige due to weaker STEM.