NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech

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Anonymous wrote:It blows my mind that he doesn't realize how many of the fans in the stands are there because of working women. There are working women payimg for their own tickets. Many, probably the majority of the families who pay for NFL tickets would not be able to afford them without the help of a working woman. Working women are paying for NFL apparel and taking their kids to NFL promoted activities and signings and parades.

The NFL could not operate as successfully as it does if the majority of female Catholic school graduates stayed home without contributing to NFL sales.

I feel like people are reading into the speech. His mom is a doctor! He knows many women obviously work...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He is a southern stupid at hole with divorced parents and serious mommy issues. He is not even 30 yet. He needs to go hide in his basement.

Who is this guy? I'm Catholic and have never heard of him.

Again he’s only getting attention because he’s a teammate of Travis Kelce and you would even have heard of him if Travis wasn’t dating Taylor. They wouldn’t even have invited him because they wouldn’t have gotten any press.

The school is in the KC area, and every Chiefs fan knows who he is. Benedictine didn't invite him for the press. And the only person who linked him to Travis and Taylor was Butker himself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is a southern stupid at hole with divorced parents and serious mommy issues. He is not even 30 yet. He needs to go hide in his basement.

Who is this guy? I'm Catholic and have never heard of him.

Again he’s only getting attention because he’s a teammate of Travis Kelce and you would even have heard of him if Travis wasn’t dating Taylor. They wouldn’t even have invited him because they wouldn’t have gotten any press.

The school is in the KC area, and every Chiefs fan knows who he is. Benedictine didn't invite him for the press. And the only person who linked him to Travis and Taylor was Butker himself.

He also gave a commencement address last year at his alma mater, before Travis and Taylor were dating. His comments are dumb, and I'm not sure why any school invites a football player to give commencement addresses, but they definitely do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I get some people are all about the woman staying demure and a man leading the family. Some women enjoy being housewife and that is good for them. No prob with any of this kind of thinking.

BUT what he said totally demeans women. He said his wife’s life did not start or meant nothing until she started being a wife and mother. As a woman I take great offense with this statement. I take great offense at the way he expressed what he feels women should be. It’s one thing to suggest someone can live one way, it’s another to suggest there is only one way to live that’s right.

I think he is such a blatantly offensive man whose mom has to be losing her mind!!

WTf? In 20 min he managed to offend most people. It’s not about his views, it’s about how he expressed them.

You are putting words in his mouth. He never said his wife's life "meant nothing." He said that SHE would be the first to tell you that her life truly started when she started "living her vocation as a wife and mother." For most women who have children - this is true, whether they admit it or not.
I remember the old adage that nobody on their death bed wishes they had spent more time at the office. The important thing is relationships - family and friends. Raising children IS the most important job in the world.
I worked outside the home when my children were young. I won many awards. But, today - those awards mean nothing. What is important is that my children are grown, productive people in the world who have strong relationships with THEIR spouses and are raising happy, well adjusted children. This doesn't happen by accident. It is a result of having parents who spend time with them when they are young and serve as good role models.
And, he never demeaned women who choose to work outside the home. Instead, he relishes the idea that his wife love and is good at the role of homemaker. And, that she makes him a better father and husband by keeping him focused on what is important - family.

Are you saying the same thing about men, that they first start to live when they become husbands and fathers? Why isn’t homemaking their greatest goal? Surely it should be something men can and should aspire to.

And what do you say to those who choose the celibate religious life? Are they not living?

Did you hear what he said.....

"I have leaned into my vocation as a husband and father and as a man."

"To the gentlemen here today - part of what plagues our society is this lie that has been told to you that men are not necessary in the home or in our communities."

He credits his wife with making sure that he puts family first ahead of his career.

Contrary to the many posts on this board - there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with traditional gender roles, with a focus on family and children, and women serving as homemakers as their primary vocation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He was speaking to a certain audience. Why do others, not part of that audience, care? There can be many different viewpoints.

Because he is a barometer of sorts. You know we’re all not a bunch of mindless heathens, right? We do read things like Reuters and The Economist and learn about trends. There is a big resurgence of strict Christianity or Christian nationalism in response to the rapid social change that’s taking place.

So people not part of that audience care because it helps us gauge what you all are thinking. What else are you going to decry and try to restrict? What other rights are we potentially going to lose because of your religious ideology and influence. Do you understand that? We want to know what we might be facing. And that bearded dipsht is a thermometer.

Have you seen the recently released documentary God & Country? Highly recommend it - the agenda is real and we must resist at all cost, or our children and grandchildren will live under religious oppression.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get some people are all about the woman staying demure and a man leading the family. Some women enjoy being housewife and that is good for them. No prob with any of this kind of thinking.

BUT what he said totally demeans women. He said his wife’s life did not start or meant nothing until she started being a wife and mother. As a woman I take great offense with this statement. I take great offense at the way he expressed what he feels women should be. It’s one thing to suggest someone can live one way, it’s another to suggest there is only one way to live that’s right.

I think he is such a blatantly offensive man whose mom has to be losing her mind!!

WTf? In 20 min he managed to offend most people. It’s not about his views, it’s about how he expressed them.

You are putting words in his mouth. He never said his wife's life "meant nothing." He said that SHE would be the first to tell you that her life truly started when she started "living her vocation as a wife and mother." For most women who have children - this is true, whether they admit it or not.
I remember the old adage that nobody on their death bed wishes they had spent more time at the office. The important thing is relationships - family and friends. Raising children IS the most important job in the world.
I worked outside the home when my children were young. I won many awards. But, today - those awards mean nothing. What is important is that my children are grown, productive people in the world who have strong relationships with THEIR spouses and are raising happy, well adjusted children. This doesn't happen by accident. It is a result of having parents who spend time with them when they are young and serve as good role models.
And, he never demeaned women who choose to work outside the home. Instead, he relishes the idea that his wife love and is good at the role of homemaker. And, that she makes him a better father and husband by keeping him focused on what is important - family.

Are you saying the same thing about men, that they first start to live when they become husbands and fathers? Why isn’t homemaking their greatest goal? Surely it should be something men can and should aspire to.

And what do you say to those who choose the celibate religious life? Are they not living?

+1 instead, he told men to embrace their masculinity. He is referencing gender roles. He used the term "absentee fathers", but didn't say that his life truly started when he started living his "vocation of being a father and husband".

You people making excuses for him are kinda sad. It's a bit like how MAGA crowd always have to make excuses for Trump, and explain.. "what he *really* meant....".

Stop.. you look silly. If you embrace gender roles, then fine, but stop trying to make him look like he's not some misogynist who believes in "traditional" (1950s) values.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He's just speaking his truth. Irrelevant to nonCatholics.

Irrelevant to Catholics too, and his speech was denounced by Benedictines. Anyone who is reporting it honestly is including the analysis that shows his speech runs afoul of Catholic teaching.

TO be clear: he was speaking for himself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."
He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

DP it’s pretty unhinged when you tell a group of accomplished young women who have just finished their degrees that never mind all that your only real accomplishment in life is being a wife and mother and homemaker. Yuck.

He was speaking at Benedictine College in Kansas. It is one of a handful of conservative Catholic colleges in the country. The kind of people and families that end up Benedictine question whether Notre Dame is actually Catholic or not. His message would be enthusiastically welcomed by an overwhelmingly majority of the people who were in attendance.

No. Totally wrong. You clearly know nothing about the Benedictine order. They are outraged by this speech.

"The sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker's comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested," the posts read.

https://www.kmbc.com/article/benedictine-sisters-of-mount-st-scholastica-statement-harrison-butker-commencement-speech/60819290#:~:text=address%20was%20divisive.-,%22The%20sisters%20of%20Mount%20St.%20Scholastica%20do%20not%20believe%20that,invested%2C%22%20the%20posts%20read.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m agree with the speech because that is what God wants

Who’s god? Not the Catholic one.

+1 No way. Ask your Pope about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

His address is hardly unhinged. He is speaking to graduates of a Catholic College as a Catholic himself.
I understand you don't agree with his beliefs... and there are some things he said that I don't fully agree with, but he is speaking based on his religious beliefs. And, he didn't call the people who use IDF and contraception "disordered."
He said that these things along with abortion, euthanasia, gender ideology stem from the pervasiveness of disorder.
Big difference.

I doubt you listened to his entire address because had you listened - you would hear that he has some hard words for his religion and some of the leaders of the Catholic Church.

DP it’s pretty unhinged when you tell a group of accomplished young women who have just finished their degrees that never mind all that your only real accomplishment in life is being a wife and mother and homemaker. Yuck.

He was speaking at Benedictine College in Kansas. It is one of a handful of conservative Catholic colleges in the country. The kind of people and families that end up Benedictine question whether Notre Dame is actually Catholic or not. His message would be enthusiastically welcomed by an overwhelmingly majority of the people who were in attendance.

No. Totally wrong. You clearly know nothing about the Benedictine order. They are outraged by this speech.

"The sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker's comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested," the posts read.

https://www.kmbc.com/article/benedictine-sisters-of-mount-st-scholastica-statement-harrison-butker-commencement-speech/60819290#:~:text=address%20was%20divisive.-,%22The%20sisters%20of%20Mount%20St.%20Scholastica%20do%20not%20believe%20that,invested%2C%22%20the%20posts%20read.

Sick burn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It blows my mind that he doesn't realize how many of the fans in the stands are there because of working women. There are working women payimg for their own tickets. Many, probably the majority of the families who pay for NFL tickets would not be able to afford them without the help of a working woman. Working women are paying for NFL apparel and taking their kids to NFL promoted activities and signings and parades.

The NFL could not operate as successfully as it does if the majority of female Catholic school graduates stayed home without contributing to NFL sales.

I feel like people are reading into the speech. His mom is a doctor! He knows many women obviously work...

Listen to his words. He is criticizing his mother. Maybe he isn't smart enough to appreciate that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is a southern stupid at hole with divorced parents and serious mommy issues. He is not even 30 yet. He needs to go hide in his basement.

Who is this guy? I'm Catholic and have never heard of him.

Again he’s only getting attention because he’s a teammate of Travis Kelce and you would even have heard of him if Travis wasn’t dating Taylor. They wouldn’t even have invited him because they wouldn’t have gotten any press.

The school is in the KC area, and every Chiefs fan knows who he is. Benedictine didn't invite him for the press. And the only person who linked him to Travis and Taylor was Butker himself.

What % of women watch KC chiefs? Hint: is very low. Of course he mentioned Taylor he’s an attention whore using religion for his own gain.

[Anonymous]

I don't see anything wrong with a catholic person discussing catholic ideas at a catholic university.

Also, his message was, careers are not as fulfilling as family, so think of yourself first as a provider and caretaker and second about ambition. And he said, and I agree, that being a homemaker is s noble pursuit. These are good values.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He was speaking to a certain audience. Why do others, not part of that audience, care? There can be many different viewpoints.

Because he is a barometer of sorts. You know we’re all not a bunch of mindless heathens, right? We do read things like Reuters and The Economist and learn about trends. There is a big resurgence of strict Christianity or Christian nationalism in response to the rapid social change that’s taking place.

So people not part of that audience care because it helps us gauge what you all are thinking. What else are you going to decry and try to restrict? What other rights are we potentially going to lose because of your religious ideology and influence. Do you understand that? We want to know what we might be facing. And that bearded dipsht is a thermometer.

Have you seen the recently released documentary God & Country? Highly recommend it - the agenda is real and we must resist at all cost, or our children and grandchildren will live under religious oppression.

It's not religion that is seeking to control you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It blows my mind that he doesn't realize how many of the fans in the stands are there because of working women. There are working women payimg for their own tickets. Many, probably the majority of the families who pay for NFL tickets would not be able to afford them without the help of a working woman. Working women are paying for NFL apparel and taking their kids to NFL promoted activities and signings and parades.

The NFL could not operate as successfully as it does if the majority of female Catholic school graduates stayed home without contributing to NFL sales.

100% this. Patrick Mahomes even said that his performance for last season was greatly benefited from his female physical therapist: https://www.usa.edu/blog/kansas-city-chiefs-qb-patrick-mahomes-recognizes-usahs-alum/#:~:text=USAHS%20DPT%20Alumni%20Julie%20Frymyer%20at%20work%20with%20the%20Chiefs&text=She%20earned%20Mahomes'%20trust%20when,injury%20a%20few%20years%20ago.