Why do parents have such an issue with DEIB

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Anonymous wrote:I think people, ( even radical feminist liberals like me) , are tired of being told they are racists and are tired of being forced fed pronouncements about diversity.

Nobody is calling anybody racist. However, everyone that is racist is definitely anti-DEBI for a lot is the same reasons people are throwing out here.

The problem we have is overcorrection. I don’t think any liberal would argue that we shouldn’t have DEIA/B etc efforts. We should definitely think about race and class and social structures at an organizational level. However, not everything we do can be about race / gender etc all the time. It’s stifling discussions and conversations. It’s exhausting. When you lose the liberals on this stuff, what we have to fear most is the overcorrection on the other side of this.

What conversations have you recently had that were stifled?

How well do you think these schools or any of the pro-DEI posters on this thread would embrace a “working class” affinity group in the schools? Particularly one in which teachers shared their experiences of their salaries and what it’s actually like to teach the children of the upper class?

We all know the answer.

I keep asking for proof, but the examples just keep getting more ridiculous.

When are you going to commit to a $30k per child per year increase in tuition to subsidize higher teacher salaries? Show us the proof of that, please.

That is something that would have a lot more actual impact on reducing inequity than all your inane blabbering. You can even direct it at teachers that are POC if you would like; I am sure the school would support that. I look forward to seeing the screenshots of your receipt and committed donations.

Everything terrible can't be tied to DEIB.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think people, ( even radical feminist liberals like me) , are tired of being told they are racists and are tired of being forced fed pronouncements about diversity.

Nobody is calling anybody racist. However, everyone that is racist is definitely anti-DEBI for a lot is the same reasons people are throwing out here.

The problem we have is overcorrection. I don’t think any liberal would argue that we shouldn’t have DEIA/B etc efforts. We should definitely think about race and class and social structures at an organizational level. However, not everything we do can be about race / gender etc all the time. It’s stifling discussions and conversations. It’s exhausting. When you lose the liberals on this stuff, what we have to fear most is the overcorrection on the other side of this.

What conversations have you recently had that were stifled?

How well do you think these schools or any of the pro-DEI posters on this thread would embrace a “working class” affinity group in the schools? Particularly one in which teachers shared their experiences of their salaries and what it’s actually like to teach the children of the upper class?

We all know the answer.

I keep asking for proof, but the examples just keep getting more ridiculous.

When are you going to commit to a $30k per child per year increase in tuition to subsidize higher teacher salaries? Show us the proof of that, please.

That is something that would have a lot more actual impact on reducing inequity than all your inane blabbering. You can even direct it at teachers that are POC if you would like; I am sure the school would support that. I look forward to seeing the screenshots of your receipt and committed donations.

Everything terrible can't be tied to DEIB.

Of course not. But this is your chance to act on the DEIB values you profess to hold. I look forward to seeing your commitment receipt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is really things like affinity groups, race essentialism, the white guilt complex and a skewed approach to history/social studies that make parents unhappy.

You need to take into account that many of us have now had a lot of experience with DEI programs at work, and that, as residents of DC, we have seen what some of the policy ideas mean for day-to-day life. I know a lot of workplaces all but required people to read books like White Fragility or Kendi books at some point. Those things haven’t left a positive impression, in many cases.

That's probably not true. I am familiar with a lot of places in this city and I haven't heard off anything like that. I know that there are parents here that would believe that. I have no idea why that is.

He spoke to a large gathering at work and referred to a colleague as “Lillywhite”

[Anonymous]

That’s Kendi

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

This bs is happening at private schools too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is really things like affinity groups, race essentialism, the white guilt complex and a skewed approach to history/social studies that make parents unhappy.

You need to take into account that many of us have now had a lot of experience with DEI programs at work, and that, as residents of DC, we have seen what some of the policy ideas mean for day-to-day life. I know a lot of workplaces all but required people to read books like White Fragility or Kendi books at some point. Those things haven’t left a positive impression, in many cases.

That's probably not true. I am familiar with a lot of places in this city and I haven't heard off anything like that. I know that there are parents here that would believe that. I have no idea why that is.

He spoke to a large gathering at work and referred to a colleague as “Lillywhite”

Were they?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think people, ( even radical feminist liberals like me) , are tired of being told they are racists and are tired of being forced fed pronouncements about diversity.

Nobody is calling anybody racist. However, everyone that is racist is definitely anti-DEBI for a lot is the same reasons people are throwing out here.

The problem we have is overcorrection. I don’t think any liberal would argue that we shouldn’t have DEIA/B etc efforts. We should definitely think about race and class and social structures at an organizational level. However, not everything we do can be about race / gender etc all the time. It’s stifling discussions and conversations. It’s exhausting. When you lose the liberals on this stuff, what we have to fear most is the overcorrection on the other side of this.

What conversations have you recently had that were stifled?

How well do you think these schools or any of the pro-DEI posters on this thread would embrace a “working class” affinity group in the schools? Particularly one in which teachers shared their experiences of their salaries and what it’s actually like to teach the children of the upper class?

We all know the answer.

I keep asking for proof, but the examples just keep getting more ridiculous.

When are you going to commit to a $30k per child per year increase in tuition to subsidize higher teacher salaries? Show us the proof of that, please.

That is something that would have a lot more actual impact on reducing inequity than all your inane blabbering. You can even direct it to teachers who are POC if you would like; I am sure the school would support that. I look forward to seeing the screenshots of your receipt and committed donations.

Everything terrible can't be tied to DEIB.

Of course not. But this is your chance to act on the DEIB values you profess to hold. I look forward to seeing your commitment receipt.

My drama-free life has been excellent. People like and are even more accepting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people, ( even radical feminist liberals like me) , are tired of being told they are racists and are tired of being forced fed pronouncements about diversity.

Nobody is calling anybody racist. However, everyone that is racist is definitely anti-DEBI for a lot is the same reasons people are throwing out here.

The problem we have is overcorrection. I don’t think any liberal would argue that we shouldn’t have DEIA/B etc efforts. We should definitely think about race and class and social structures at an organizational level. However, not everything we do can be about race / gender etc all the time. It’s stifling discussions and conversations. It’s exhausting. When you lose the liberals on this stuff, what we have to fear most is the overcorrection on the other side of this.

What conversations have you recently had that were stifled?

How well do you think these schools or any of the pro-DEI posters on this thread would embrace a “working class” affinity group in the schools? Particularly one in which teachers shared their experiences of their salaries and what it’s actually like to teach the children of the upper class?

We all know the answer.

I keep asking for proof, but the examples just keep getting more ridiculous.

You are really a caricature of the problem with DEI. You have pages and pages of people telling you there concerns. In response, you either deny that what they say is happening, ridicule and mischaracterize their arguments, minimize their issues or just put your head in sand. Maybe you really are a troll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is really things like affinity groups, race essentialism, the white guilt complex and a skewed approach to history/social studies that make parents unhappy.

You need to take into account that many of us have now had a lot of experience with DEI programs at work, and that, as residents of DC, we have seen what some of the policy ideas mean for day-to-day life. I know a lot of workplaces all but required people to read books like White Fragility or Kendi books at some point. Those things haven’t left a positive impression, in many cases.

That's probably not true. I am familiar with a lot of places in this city and I haven't heard off anything like that. I know that there are parents here that would believe that. I have no idea why that is.

Not sure where you work, but if you were anywhere near a large law firm in a couple of years ago, you were heavily pressured to read these books in the most uncritical possible way. Speaking from experience, some of them even sent copies of the books to employees to read at home.

+1. I work at a Fortune 100 corporation, and we have been required to read books like this for team meetings starting in 2022.

I consider myself pretty open-minded and liberal, but some of these books were too much. For example, in one of the books, the author takes great exception to people mis-pronouncing her name in the workplace. She recommends that employees should insist that their co-workers pronounce their names properly, to fight against this micro-aggression. (I am a 52-year-old white woman with blonde hair and blue eyes. I have a difficult-to-pronounce name (both my first name and my last name). I do not take it personally when people mis-pronounce my name, which happens about 70 percent of the time. I find that, in the workplace, the best way to get ahead is to be low-drama, hard-working, and easy to get along with.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Latinx or Latine was the preferred DEIB nomenclature.

NP. I think Latinx is on the way out because academics are finally realizing they're the only ones to use it. Most Latinos/Latinas have never heard the term or don't care.

Surveys show that most in the Latin American community oppose "Latinx." DEI coordinators are trying to impose language on the rest of us. Who elected them to make those decisions?
Language shifts that stick are the ones that occur over time and in a pretty democratic way.

PP here. Pretty sure "Latinx" started in academia, not with DEIB coordinators. Still, it was a top-down change that never resonated with the larger community.

There was a bit more too it than that. Like attempting to change the language rules of a foreign language even though not a single person asked for that change. It was performative, condescending and deeply ironic.

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Wasn't it Latina academics mostly in California? So it wasn't a foreign language. Agree that nobody asked for it and it was performative and condescending.

Affixing an "X" on the end of a word like that is an English language construction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it is really things like affinity groups, race essentialism, the white guilt complex and a skewed approach to history/social studies that make parents unhappy.

You need to take into account that many of us have now had a lot of experience with DEI programs at work, and that, as residents of DC, we have seen what some of the policy ideas mean for day-to-day life. I know a lot of workplaces all but required people to read books like White Fragility or Kendi books at some point. Those things haven’t left a positive impression, in many cases.

That's probably not true. I am familiar with a lot of places in this city and I haven't heard off anything like that. I know that there are parents here that would believe that. I have no idea why that is.

Not sure where you work, but if you were anywhere near a large law firm in a couple of years ago, you were heavily pressured to read these books in the most uncritical possible way. Speaking from experience, some of them even sent copies of the books to employees to read at home.

+1. I work at a Fortune 100 corporation, and we have been required to read books like this for team meetings starting in 2022.

I consider myself pretty open-minded and liberal, but some of these books were too much. For example, in one of the books, the author takes great exception to people mis-pronouncing her name in the workplace. She recommends that employees should insist that their co-workers pronounce their names properly, to fight against this micro-aggression. (I am a 52-year-old white woman with blonde hair and blue eyes. I have a difficult-to-pronounce name (both my first name and my last name). I do not take it personally when people mis-pronounce my name, which happens about 70 percent of the time. I find that, in the workplace, the best way to get ahead is to be low-drama, hard-working, and easy to get along with.)

OMG - someone else would like to have their name pronounced correctly. The horror.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to think the same as you OP. I thought DEI pushback was simply racist republicans being racists.

Then I read a proposed curriculum that asserted that Mathematics’ focus on students getting correct answers was indicative of white supremacist culture. I then looked into DEI further and was shocked to discover what is creeping into public school curriculums and lesson plans.

This bs is happening at private schools too.

Which school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people, ( even radical feminist liberals like me) , are tired of being told they are racists and are tired of being forced fed pronouncements about diversity.

Nobody is calling anybody racist. However, everyone that is racist is definitely anti-DEBI for a lot is the same reasons people are throwing out here.

The problem we have is overcorrection. I don’t think any liberal would argue that we shouldn’t have DEIA/B etc efforts. We should definitely think about race and class and social structures at an organizational level. However, not everything we do can be about race / gender etc all the time. It’s stifling discussions and conversations. It’s exhausting. When you lose the liberals on this stuff, what we have to fear most is the overcorrection on the other side of this.

What conversations have you recently had that were stifled?

How well do you think these schools or any of the pro-DEI posters on this thread would embrace a “working class” affinity group in the schools? Particularly one in which teachers shared their experiences of their salaries and what it’s actually like to teach the children of the upper class?

We all know the answer.

I keep asking for proof, but the examples just keep getting more ridiculous.

When are you going to commit to a $30k per child per year increase in tuition to subsidize higher teacher salaries? Show us the proof of that, please.

That is something that would have a lot more actual impact on reducing inequity than all your inane blabbering. You can even direct it at teachers that are POC if you would like; I am sure the school would support that. I look forward to seeing the screenshots of your receipt and committed donations.

What does teacher salary have to do with DEI?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I knew it was out of a control when one of my kids teachers assigned the history class a partial rewrite of the Declaration of Independence to “make it more inclusive”
, you know, bcs “all men are created equal” is not inclusive. You can’t make this stuff up it’s so ridiculous.

Didn't happen.

It's comical how you keep saying "didn't happen" then crying that nobody has offered any proof to their claims. You seem completely out of touch and ignorant, why would anyone care what you think?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people, ( even radical feminist liberals like me) , are tired of being told they are racists and are tired of being forced fed pronouncements about diversity.

Nobody is calling anybody racist. However, everyone that is racist is definitely anti-DEBI for a lot is the same reasons people are throwing out here.

The problem we have is overcorrection. I don’t think any liberal would argue that we shouldn’t have DEIA/B etc efforts. We should definitely think about race and class and social structures at an organizational level. However, not everything we do can be about race / gender etc all the time. It’s stifling discussions and conversations. It’s exhausting. When you lose the liberals on this stuff, what we have to fear most is the overcorrection on the other side of this.

What conversations have you recently had that were stifled?

Great question.

At my kids' (very liberal) school it's not all about DEI all of the time. I call BS on that.