Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.
Do you have daughters?
I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.
And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it
This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.
Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.
Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.
Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?
He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.
When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.
No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.
I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.
You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.
DP.. wouldn't you find it weird if your DD was serious about a man who might be older than you, her father. That's just so weird, and gross, tbh. You would have to wonder what happened in her childhood that would make her go after someone *that* old.
My DD isn't old enough to date yet. When she is, I hope she makes good choices. But the point is - and I don't understand why this is so hard for everyone to get - is what I think about it won't matter a bit. She will do whatever she wants.
When I was in grad school in my mid 20s, I knew women in their 20s who dated guys in their 40s. I knew those women well enough to know there wasn't anything that "happened" in their childhoods to make them date much older guys. They just liked those guys at that time. They also dated guys their own age.
It's not even like "dating a much older guy" is the only or the worst mistake a woman in her 20s can make. Why are you so hung up on this?
of course she will date whomever she wants. That wasn't the question.
The question is, as a dad, would you not feel weird if your DD was in a serious relationship with a man who might be older than you or your age? Would you not worry about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s/80s while she is still pretty young? If you say you don't care what she does, then I guess I can understand why stuff like this wouldn't bother you. But, I would definitely think the younger woman has some issue if she is in a serious relationship with such an old man.
I'm not a father but I would not be concerned if my DD was in a serious relationship with a man my age. I would assume that this relationship will come to a natural end as they tend to do, and will view it as part of her life experience education. I wouldn't be worried about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s or 80s because at that point they would have gone their separate ways and she'd probably be married to a more age suitable partner. Perhaps I find my own history reassuring as I've dated multiple older men in my 20s but have married an age-suitable partner in my mid-thirties.
I don't know if I would make that bet.
What if she fell in love and decided to marry him?
Anything can happen, of course, but statistically this is unlikely. Besides, it takes two to decide to marry, and in my experience, older men who have already gone through the experience of raising a family do not want to do it again. They simply want a stable romantic partner/companion. Based on multiple examples I've observed, young woman/older man relationships eventually dissolve based on this fundamental incompatibility of life goals, and amicably.
Which brings us full circle to the original point, which is that he is douche, and they are both wasting her time.
So you think that every relationship not bound for the altar is a waste of time?
When you are a woman in your early 20s? Absolutely.
And yet DCUM comes down hard on anyone who says women should get married in their twenties. Go figure, eh?
Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.
Do you have daughters?
I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.
And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it
This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.
Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.
Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.
Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?
He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.
When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.
No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.
I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.
You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.
DP.. wouldn't you find it weird if your DD was serious about a man who might be older than you, her father. That's just so weird, and gross, tbh. You would have to wonder what happened in her childhood that would make her go after someone *that* old.
My DD isn't old enough to date yet. When she is, I hope she makes good choices. But the point is - and I don't understand why this is so hard for everyone to get - is what I think about it won't matter a bit. She will do whatever she wants.
When I was in grad school in my mid 20s, I knew women in their 20s who dated guys in their 40s. I knew those women well enough to know there wasn't anything that "happened" in their childhoods to make them date much older guys. They just liked those guys at that time. They also dated guys their own age.
It's not even like "dating a much older guy" is the only or the worst mistake a woman in her 20s can make. Why are you so hung up on this?
of course she will date whomever she wants. That wasn't the question.
The question is, as a dad, would you not feel weird if your DD was in a serious relationship with a man who might be older than you or your age? Would you not worry about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s/80s while she is still pretty young? If you say you don't care what she does, then I guess I can understand why stuff like this wouldn't bother you. But, I would definitely think the younger woman has some issue if she is in a serious relationship with such an old man.
I'm not a father but I would not be concerned if my DD was in a serious relationship with a man my age. I would assume that this relationship will come to a natural end as they tend to do, and will view it as part of her life experience education. I wouldn't be worried about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s or 80s because at that point they would have gone their separate ways and she'd probably be married to a more age suitable partner. Perhaps I find my own history reassuring as I've dated multiple older men in my 20s but have married an age-suitable partner in my mid-thirties.
I don't know if I would make that bet.
What if she fell in love and decided to marry him?
Anything can happen, of course, but statistically this is unlikely. Besides, it takes two to decide to marry, and in my experience, older men who have already gone through the experience of raising a family do not want to do it again. They simply want a stable romantic partner/companion. Based on multiple examples I've observed, young woman/older man relationships eventually dissolve based on this fundamental incompatibility of life goals, and amicably.
Which brings us full circle to the original point, which is that he is douche, and they are both wasting her time.
So you think that every relationship not bound for the altar is a waste of time?
When you are a woman in your early 20s? Absolutely.
And yet DCUM comes down hard on anyone who says women should get married in their twenties. Go figure, eh?
Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.
Do you have daughters?
I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.
And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it
This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.
Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.
Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.
Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?
He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.
When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.
No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.
I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.
You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.
DP.. wouldn't you find it weird if your DD was serious about a man who might be older than you, her father. That's just so weird, and gross, tbh. You would have to wonder what happened in her childhood that would make her go after someone *that* old.
My DD isn't old enough to date yet. When she is, I hope she makes good choices. But the point is - and I don't understand why this is so hard for everyone to get - is what I think about it won't matter a bit. She will do whatever she wants.
When I was in grad school in my mid 20s, I knew women in their 20s who dated guys in their 40s. I knew those women well enough to know there wasn't anything that "happened" in their childhoods to make them date much older guys. They just liked those guys at that time. They also dated guys their own age.
It's not even like "dating a much older guy" is the only or the worst mistake a woman in her 20s can make. Why are you so hung up on this?
of course she will date whomever she wants. That wasn't the question.
The question is, as a dad, would you not feel weird if your DD was in a serious relationship with a man who might be older than you or your age? Would you not worry about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s/80s while she is still pretty young? If you say you don't care what she does, then I guess I can understand why stuff like this wouldn't bother you. But, I would definitely think the younger woman has some issue if she is in a serious relationship with such an old man.
I'm not a father but I would not be concerned if my DD was in a serious relationship with a man my age. I would assume that this relationship will come to a natural end as they tend to do, and will view it as part of her life experience education. I wouldn't be worried about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s or 80s because at that point they would have gone their separate ways and she'd probably be married to a more age suitable partner. Perhaps I find my own history reassuring as I've dated multiple older men in my 20s but have married an age-suitable partner in my mid-thirties.
I don't know if I would make that bet.
What if she fell in love and decided to marry him?
Anything can happen, of course, but statistically this is unlikely. Besides, it takes two to decide to marry, and in my experience, older men who have already gone through the experience of raising a family do not want to do it again. They simply want a stable romantic partner/companion. Based on multiple examples I've observed, young woman/older man relationships eventually dissolve based on this fundamental incompatibility of life goals, and amicably.
Which brings us full circle to the original point, which is that he is douche, and they are both wasting her time.
So you think that every relationship not bound for the altar is a waste of time?
When you are a woman in your early 20s? Absolutely.
You are completely out of touch with that generation. The women that I date are very upfront that they don’t want to think about marriage for at least five years and that anything we have going on is casual only. I’ve even discussed our imagined futures with other partners. They’re mostly waiting for men their age to catch up, which will happen at some point.
Or they won't and they will be the douchebags dating women in their 20s when they are 50.
So triggered.
Off for a run with my latest friend. Showers after.
Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.
Do you have daughters?
I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.
And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it
This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.
Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.
Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.
Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?
He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.
When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.
No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.
I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.
You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.
DP.. wouldn't you find it weird if your DD was serious about a man who might be older than you, her father. That's just so weird, and gross, tbh. You would have to wonder what happened in her childhood that would make her go after someone *that* old.
My DD isn't old enough to date yet. When she is, I hope she makes good choices. But the point is - and I don't understand why this is so hard for everyone to get - is what I think about it won't matter a bit. She will do whatever she wants.
When I was in grad school in my mid 20s, I knew women in their 20s who dated guys in their 40s. I knew those women well enough to know there wasn't anything that "happened" in their childhoods to make them date much older guys. They just liked those guys at that time. They also dated guys their own age.
It's not even like "dating a much older guy" is the only or the worst mistake a woman in her 20s can make. Why are you so hung up on this?
of course she will date whomever she wants. That wasn't the question.
The question is, as a dad, would you not feel weird if your DD was in a serious relationship with a man who might be older than you or your age? Would you not worry about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s/80s while she is still pretty young? If you say you don't care what she does, then I guess I can understand why stuff like this wouldn't bother you. But, I would definitely think the younger woman has some issue if she is in a serious relationship with such an old man.
I'm not a father but I would not be concerned if my DD was in a serious relationship with a man my age. I would assume that this relationship will come to a natural end as they tend to do, and will view it as part of her life experience education. I wouldn't be worried about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s or 80s because at that point they would have gone their separate ways and she'd probably be married to a more age suitable partner. Perhaps I find my own history reassuring as I've dated multiple older men in my 20s but have married an age-suitable partner in my mid-thirties.
I don't know if I would make that bet.
What if she fell in love and decided to marry him?
Anything can happen, of course, but statistically this is unlikely. Besides, it takes two to decide to marry, and in my experience, older men who have already gone through the experience of raising a family do not want to do it again. They simply want a stable romantic partner/companion. Based on multiple examples I've observed, young woman/older man relationships eventually dissolve based on this fundamental incompatibility of life goals, and amicably.
Which brings us full circle to the original point, which is that he is douche, and they are both wasting her time.
So you think that every relationship not bound for the altar is a waste of time?
When you are a woman in your early 20s? Absolutely.
And yet DCUM comes down hard on anyone who says women should get married in their twenties. Go figure, eh?
And they should.
To whom? 23 year old boys so 10- 20 years later, they cry about how these men have changed?
Seriously, if you don't like age gaps, women should marry in their early 30s . Women are having just 2 kids these days so what's the rush?
Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.
Do you have daughters?
I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.
And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it
This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.
Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.
Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.
Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?
He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.
When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.
No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.
I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.
You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.
DP.. wouldn't you find it weird if your DD was serious about a man who might be older than you, her father. That's just so weird, and gross, tbh. You would have to wonder what happened in her childhood that would make her go after someone *that* old.
My DD isn't old enough to date yet. When she is, I hope she makes good choices. But the point is - and I don't understand why this is so hard for everyone to get - is what I think about it won't matter a bit. She will do whatever she wants.
When I was in grad school in my mid 20s, I knew women in their 20s who dated guys in their 40s. I knew those women well enough to know there wasn't anything that "happened" in their childhoods to make them date much older guys. They just liked those guys at that time. They also dated guys their own age.
It's not even like "dating a much older guy" is the only or the worst mistake a woman in her 20s can make. Why are you so hung up on this?
of course she will date whomever she wants. That wasn't the question.
The question is, as a dad, would you not feel weird if your DD was in a serious relationship with a man who might be older than you or your age? Would you not worry about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s/80s while she is still pretty young? If you say you don't care what she does, then I guess I can understand why stuff like this wouldn't bother you. But, I would definitely think the younger woman has some issue if she is in a serious relationship with such an old man.
I'm not a father but I would not be concerned if my DD was in a serious relationship with a man my age. I would assume that this relationship will come to a natural end as they tend to do, and will view it as part of her life experience education. I wouldn't be worried about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s or 80s because at that point they would have gone their separate ways and she'd probably be married to a more age suitable partner. Perhaps I find my own history reassuring as I've dated multiple older men in my 20s but have married an age-suitable partner in my mid-thirties.
I don't know if I would make that bet.
What if she fell in love and decided to marry him?
Anything can happen, of course, but statistically this is unlikely. Besides, it takes two to decide to marry, and in my experience, older men who have already gone through the experience of raising a family do not want to do it again. They simply want a stable romantic partner/companion. Based on multiple examples I've observed, young woman/older man relationships eventually dissolve based on this fundamental incompatibility of life goals, and amicably.
Which brings us full circle to the original point, which is that he is douche, and they are both wasting her time.
So you think that every relationship not bound for the altar is a waste of time?
When you are a woman in your early 20s? Absolutely.
And yet DCUM comes down hard on anyone who says women should get married in their twenties. Go figure, eh?
And they should.
To whom? 23 year old boys so 10- 20 years later, they cry about how these men have changed?
Seriously, if you don't like age gaps, women should marry in their early 30s . Women are having just 2 kids these days so what's the rush?
To early 30s career men ideally, but not to 40-50 yo divorcees! It’s been always considered social outcast.
Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.
Do you have daughters?
I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.
And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it
This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.
Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.
Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.
Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?
He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.
When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.
No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.
I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.
You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.
DP.. wouldn't you find it weird if your DD was serious about a man who might be older than you, her father. That's just so weird, and gross, tbh. You would have to wonder what happened in her childhood that would make her go after someone *that* old.
My DD isn't old enough to date yet. When she is, I hope she makes good choices. But the point is - and I don't understand why this is so hard for everyone to get - is what I think about it won't matter a bit. She will do whatever she wants.
When I was in grad school in my mid 20s, I knew women in their 20s who dated guys in their 40s. I knew those women well enough to know there wasn't anything that "happened" in their childhoods to make them date much older guys. They just liked those guys at that time. They also dated guys their own age.
It's not even like "dating a much older guy" is the only or the worst mistake a woman in her 20s can make. Why are you so hung up on this?
of course she will date whomever she wants. That wasn't the question.
The question is, as a dad, would you not feel weird if your DD was in a serious relationship with a man who might be older than you or your age? Would you not worry about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s/80s while she is still pretty young? If you say you don't care what she does, then I guess I can understand why stuff like this wouldn't bother you. But, I would definitely think the younger woman has some issue if she is in a serious relationship with such an old man.
I'm not a father but I would not be concerned if my DD was in a serious relationship with a man my age. I would assume that this relationship will come to a natural end as they tend to do, and will view it as part of her life experience education. I wouldn't be worried about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s or 80s because at that point they would have gone their separate ways and she'd probably be married to a more age suitable partner. Perhaps I find my own history reassuring as I've dated multiple older men in my 20s but have married an age-suitable partner in my mid-thirties.
I don't know if I would make that bet.
What if she fell in love and decided to marry him?
Anything can happen, of course, but statistically this is unlikely. Besides, it takes two to decide to marry, and in my experience, older men who have already gone through the experience of raising a family do not want to do it again. They simply want a stable romantic partner/companion. Based on multiple examples I've observed, young woman/older man relationships eventually dissolve based on this fundamental incompatibility of life goals, and amicably.
Which brings us full circle to the original point, which is that he is douche, and they are both wasting her time.
So you think that every relationship not bound for the altar is a waste of time?
When you are a woman in your early 20s? Absolutely.
And yet DCUM comes down hard on anyone who says women should get married in their twenties. Go figure, eh?
And they should.
To whom? 23 year old boys so 10- 20 years later, they cry about how these men have changed?
Seriously, if you don't like age gaps, women should marry in their early 30s . Women are having just 2 kids these days so what's the rush?
To early 30s career men ideally, but not to 40-50 yo divorcees! It’s been always considered social outcast.
So a 23 year old woman to a 33 year old? The PP said early 20s.
Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.
Do you have daughters?
I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.
And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it
This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.
Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.
Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.
Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?
He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.
When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.
No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.
I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.
You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.
DP.. wouldn't you find it weird if your DD was serious about a man who might be older than you, her father. That's just so weird, and gross, tbh. You would have to wonder what happened in her childhood that would make her go after someone *that* old.
My DD isn't old enough to date yet. When she is, I hope she makes good choices. But the point is - and I don't understand why this is so hard for everyone to get - is what I think about it won't matter a bit. She will do whatever she wants.
When I was in grad school in my mid 20s, I knew women in their 20s who dated guys in their 40s. I knew those women well enough to know there wasn't anything that "happened" in their childhoods to make them date much older guys. They just liked those guys at that time. They also dated guys their own age.
It's not even like "dating a much older guy" is the only or the worst mistake a woman in her 20s can make. Why are you so hung up on this?
of course she will date whomever she wants. That wasn't the question.
The question is, as a dad, would you not feel weird if your DD was in a serious relationship with a man who might be older than you or your age? Would you not worry about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s/80s while she is still pretty young? If you say you don't care what she does, then I guess I can understand why stuff like this wouldn't bother you. But, I would definitely think the younger woman has some issue if she is in a serious relationship with such an old man.
I'm not a father but I would not be concerned if my DD was in a serious relationship with a man my age. I would assume that this relationship will come to a natural end as they tend to do, and will view it as part of her life experience education. I wouldn't be worried about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s or 80s because at that point they would have gone their separate ways and she'd probably be married to a more age suitable partner. Perhaps I find my own history reassuring as I've dated multiple older men in my 20s but have married an age-suitable partner in my mid-thirties.
I don't know if I would make that bet.
What if she fell in love and decided to marry him?
Anything can happen, of course, but statistically this is unlikely. Besides, it takes two to decide to marry, and in my experience, older men who have already gone through the experience of raising a family do not want to do it again. They simply want a stable romantic partner/companion. Based on multiple examples I've observed, young woman/older man relationships eventually dissolve based on this fundamental incompatibility of life goals, and amicably.
Which brings us full circle to the original point, which is that he is douche, and they are both wasting her time.
So you think that every relationship not bound for the altar is a waste of time?
When you are a woman in your early 20s? Absolutely.
And yet DCUM comes down hard on anyone who says women should get married in their twenties. Go figure, eh?
And they should.
To whom? 23 year old boys so 10- 20 years later, they cry about how these men have changed?
Seriously, if you don't like age gaps, women should marry in their early 30s . Women are having just 2 kids these days so what's the rush?
To early 30s career men ideally, but not to 40-50 yo divorcees! It’s been always considered social outcast.
So a 23 year old woman to a 33 year old? The PP said early 20s.
That's okay?
10 years difference is not 20-30. They can still build life together and are more long term compatible sexually
Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.
Do you have daughters?
I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.
And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it
This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.
Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.
Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.
Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?
He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.
When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.
No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.
I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.
You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.
DP.. wouldn't you find it weird if your DD was serious about a man who might be older than you, her father. That's just so weird, and gross, tbh. You would have to wonder what happened in her childhood that would make her go after someone *that* old.
My DD isn't old enough to date yet. When she is, I hope she makes good choices. But the point is - and I don't understand why this is so hard for everyone to get - is what I think about it won't matter a bit. She will do whatever she wants.
When I was in grad school in my mid 20s, I knew women in their 20s who dated guys in their 40s. I knew those women well enough to know there wasn't anything that "happened" in their childhoods to make them date much older guys. They just liked those guys at that time. They also dated guys their own age.
It's not even like "dating a much older guy" is the only or the worst mistake a woman in her 20s can make. Why are you so hung up on this?
of course she will date whomever she wants. That wasn't the question.
The question is, as a dad, would you not feel weird if your DD was in a serious relationship with a man who might be older than you or your age? Would you not worry about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s/80s while she is still pretty young? If you say you don't care what she does, then I guess I can understand why stuff like this wouldn't bother you. But, I would definitely think the younger woman has some issue if she is in a serious relationship with such an old man.
I'm not a father but I would not be concerned if my DD was in a serious relationship with a man my age. I would assume that this relationship will come to a natural end as they tend to do, and will view it as part of her life experience education. I wouldn't be worried about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s or 80s because at that point they would have gone their separate ways and she'd probably be married to a more age suitable partner. Perhaps I find my own history reassuring as I've dated multiple older men in my 20s but have married an age-suitable partner in my mid-thirties.
I don't know if I would make that bet.
What if she fell in love and decided to marry him?
Anything can happen, of course, but statistically this is unlikely. Besides, it takes two to decide to marry, and in my experience, older men who have already gone through the experience of raising a family do not want to do it again. They simply want a stable romantic partner/companion. Based on multiple examples I've observed, young woman/older man relationships eventually dissolve based on this fundamental incompatibility of life goals, and amicably.
Which brings us full circle to the original point, which is that he is douche, and they are both wasting her time.
So you think that every relationship not bound for the altar is a waste of time?
When you are a woman in your early 20s? Absolutely.
And yet DCUM comes down hard on anyone who says women should get married in their twenties. Go figure, eh?
And they should.
To whom? 23 year old boys so 10- 20 years later, they cry about how these men have changed?
Seriously, if you don't like age gaps, women should marry in their early 30s . Women are having just 2 kids these days so what's the rush?
To early 30s career men ideally, but not to 40-50 yo divorcees! It’s been always considered social outcast.
So a 23 year old woman to a 33 year old? The PP said early 20s.
That's okay?
10 years difference is not 20-30. They can still build life together and are more long term compatible sexually
Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.
Do you have daughters?
I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.
And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it
This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.
Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.
Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.
Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?
He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.
When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.
No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.
I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.
You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.
DP.. wouldn't you find it weird if your DD was serious about a man who might be older than you, her father. That's just so weird, and gross, tbh. You would have to wonder what happened in her childhood that would make her go after someone *that* old.
My DD isn't old enough to date yet. When she is, I hope she makes good choices. But the point is - and I don't understand why this is so hard for everyone to get - is what I think about it won't matter a bit. She will do whatever she wants.
When I was in grad school in my mid 20s, I knew women in their 20s who dated guys in their 40s. I knew those women well enough to know there wasn't anything that "happened" in their childhoods to make them date much older guys. They just liked those guys at that time. They also dated guys their own age.
It's not even like "dating a much older guy" is the only or the worst mistake a woman in her 20s can make. Why are you so hung up on this?
of course she will date whomever she wants. That wasn't the question.
The question is, as a dad, would you not feel weird if your DD was in a serious relationship with a man who might be older than you or your age? Would you not worry about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s/80s while she is still pretty young? If you say you don't care what she does, then I guess I can understand why stuff like this wouldn't bother you. But, I would definitely think the younger woman has some issue if she is in a serious relationship with such an old man.
I'm not a father but I would not be concerned if my DD was in a serious relationship with a man my age. I would assume that this relationship will come to a natural end as they tend to do, and will view it as part of her life experience education. I wouldn't be worried about what would happen to her when he is in his 70s or 80s because at that point they would have gone their separate ways and she'd probably be married to a more age suitable partner. Perhaps I find my own history reassuring as I've dated multiple older men in my 20s but have married an age-suitable partner in my mid-thirties.
I don't know if I would make that bet.
What if she fell in love and decided to marry him?
Anything can happen, of course, but statistically this is unlikely. Besides, it takes two to decide to marry, and in my experience, older men who have already gone through the experience of raising a family do not want to do it again. They simply want a stable romantic partner/companion. Based on multiple examples I've observed, young woman/older man relationships eventually dissolve based on this fundamental incompatibility of life goals, and amicably.
Which brings us full circle to the original point, which is that he is douche, and they are both wasting her time.
So you think that every relationship not bound for the altar is a waste of time?
When you are a woman in your early 20s? Absolutely.
Women in their 20s are only rarely dating with the intention of marriage - not least because women on DCUM and elsewhere tell them "you have plenty of time, have fun, focus on your career now, you can still have kids at 30... or 35... or 40..."
No point in criticizing her for having a short-term relationship that won't end in marriage with a guy in his 40s when all her peers (other women in their 20s) are having short-term relationships that won't end in marriage with guys in their 20s.
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