What are your high stat kid’s safeties?

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NP. I have no opinions on Northeastern, but you plainly do not understand the list you linked. Multiple universities on the list do not educate undergraduates at all. Others are notoriously bad for undergraduates as they focus entirely on academic research and graduate education. I used to do admissions for a T20 graduate program, and there are universities on that list that were known for not preparing undergraduates at all for graduate school. A good research institute means very little with respect to undergraduate education. What you linked is a list of well-respected research institutes and graduate schools, because that’s what academic reputation is built on. It is not a list relevant to where good undergraduate students should attend.

Thanks for the irrelevant lecture. Actually, all the U.S. universities on that Times list educate undergraduates, and Northeastern in fact has a higher percentage of graduate students than many of the US universities on that list, so its omission is conspicuous. You may have different views of some of the schools that -- unlike NEU -- made it onto the Times list, but ultimately you're one (presumably truthful) person and the Times has conducted a survey of many, so notwithstanding your boundless self-regard, your views don't trump theirs. Furthermore, the point made by a PP was that Northeastern is now a peer of the elite US universities, and for all Northeastern's strengths, it simply isn't.

The Times survey was cited principally because it's one of the most recent, and Northeastern's absence provides pretty compelling evidence that it isn't considered one of the top US universities. One could alternatively look at this year's Times rankings of universities (not a poll of "reputations") (which ranked Northeastern as #52 US university in the country) or last year's final WSJ rankings (which ranked Northeastern at #86) or this year's Forbes rankings (which ranked NEU at #79). Those are solid rankings for NEU -- notwithstanding the inclination of DCUM commenters to disparage any school that isn't so-called "T30" or "T50" -- but it places Northeastern with strong colleges/universities rather than the very small number of elite universities.

I'm sure the Northeastern cheerleaders here can find reason to dismiss every single expert analysis that doesn't reaffirm their own view of the school, but ultimate a pattern does emerge that more objective readers can discern.

If you want to have a discussion of "where good undergraduate students should attend," you're welcome to start a thread, but that's not usually what's discussed here (e.g, note the virtually complete exclusion of SLACs from the discussion). Northeastern's advocates don't argue that it provides the best undergraduate education (which makes sense because its "undergraduate education" rankings aren't especially strong either) but rather that by various metrics NEU now ranks among the top universities in the country. It's a fairly subtle distinction but one that someone as smart as you can no doubt grasp, or pretend to.

And to be clear, I'm not a 'Northeastern hater" (a characteristically infantile accusation that ignores that i'm not disparaging Northeastern but rather some of the exaggerated or frankly untruthful claims some make about it). Northeastern's a very good school that provides a unique educational experience. But I'm honestly offended by the assumption that in unedited fora like this people can state an untruth aggressively and repeatedly (whether to talk up one college or talk down another) to serve their own purposes, and make it a new alternative fact out of it, and mislead the gullible when actually a lot is at stake.

Oh good Lord. Too much nonsense to wade through this late at night.

As you are so confident you both understand your link and US undergraduate education (see the bolded you wrote! So delightfully certain!), could you just tell me what undergraduate degrees #45 (University of California, San Francisco) or the, uh, “Mayo Medical School” offer? Also, while you’re at it, could you explain what and where exactly the “University of Massachusetts” and “University of Indiana” are, in that link you seem to think so highly of and that you understand so well? Also, perhaps, direct me to where I might find the “University of Campinas”?

I’d appreciate it ever so much.

Np - no dog in this fight but that’s a truly childish no-response response… just saying. Carry on

I’m sorry that your champion has been shown to be a fool.

I am neutral on NEU, but I certainly don’t swan around throwing around links I quite clearly don’t understand at a basic level to make my point.

No dog in this fight means no champion for me. I thought your post was pathetic that’s all. Like I said carry on

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:well with all this Northeastern talk, i just had to check the stats

“Of the record-large pool of 90,989 applicants, only 6,179 were admitted, or about 6.7%, Northeastern spokesperson Shannon Nargi wrote in an email statement”

looks like a heavy TO policy probably helped, as about 60% of applicants were TO. Couldn’t find breakdown of accepted or enrolled students.

But like the school or hate the school, when you are approaching 100k applicants, you’re doing something right in terms of branding and marketing.

More importantly, it's doing something very right in terms of education, service, outcome when you look at the retention rate and outcome data.
It's literally #3 after MIT and UChigao on retention rate. Its outcome is on par/better/close to most of the T20/T25 schools.
Just hard facts, but haters/bashers get crazy and obsessed. 
I never saw anybody called Northeastern elite whatever that means other than the haters. 
They get ticked off by the term elite when they don't even know what it means. 

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well with all this Northeastern talk, i just had to check the stats

“Of the record-large pool of 90,989 applicants, only 6,179 were admitted, or about 6.7%, Northeastern spokesperson Shannon Nargi wrote in an email statement”

looks like a heavy TO policy probably helped, as about 60% of applicants were TO. Couldn’t find breakdown of accepted or enrolled students.

But like the school or hate the school, when you are approaching 100k applicants, you’re doing something right in terms of branding and marketing.

More importantly, it's doing something very right in terms of education, service, outcome when you look at the retention rate and outcome data.
It's literally #3 after MIT and UChigao on retention rate. Its outcome is on par/better/close to most of the T20/T25 schools.
Just hard facts, but haters/bashers get crazy and obsessed. 
I never saw anybody called Northeastern elite whatever that means other than the haters. 
They get ticked off by the term elite when they don't even know what it means. 

no, I think it has more to do with branding and marketing (and a well known campaign to improve the USNews ranking). Agree to disagree.

[Anonymous]

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NP. I have no opinions on Northeastern, but you plainly do not understand the list you linked. Multiple universities on the list do not educate undergraduates at all. Others are notoriously bad for undergraduates as they focus entirely on academic research and graduate education. I used to do admissions for a T20 graduate program, and there are universities on that list that were known for not preparing undergraduates at all for graduate school. A good research institute means very little with respect to undergraduate education. What you linked is a list of well-respected research institutes and graduate schools, because that’s what academic reputation is built on. It is not a list relevant to where good undergraduate students should attend.

Thanks for the irrelevant lecture. Actually, all the U.S. universities on that Times list educate undergraduates, and Northeastern in fact has a higher percentage of graduate students than many of the US universities on that list, so its omission is conspicuous. You may have different views of some of the schools that -- unlike NEU -- made it onto the Times list, but ultimately you're one (presumably truthful) person and the Times has conducted a survey of many, so notwithstanding your boundless self-regard, your views don't trump theirs. Furthermore, the point made by a PP was that Northeastern is now a peer of the elite US universities, and for all Northeastern's strengths, it simply isn't.

The Times survey was cited principally because it's one of the most recent, and Northeastern's absence provides pretty compelling evidence that it isn't considered one of the top US universities. One could alternatively look at this year's Times rankings of universities (not a poll of "reputations") (which ranked Northeastern as #52 US university in the country) or last year's final WSJ rankings (which ranked Northeastern at #86) or this year's Forbes rankings (which ranked NEU at #79). Those are solid rankings for NEU -- notwithstanding the inclination of DCUM commenters to disparage any school that isn't so-called "T30" or "T50" -- but it places Northeastern with strong colleges/universities rather than the very small number of elite universities.

I'm sure the Northeastern cheerleaders here can find reason to dismiss every single expert analysis that doesn't reaffirm their own view of the school, but ultimate a pattern does emerge that more objective readers can discern.

If you want to have a discussion of "where good undergraduate students should attend," you're welcome to start a thread, but that's not usually what's discussed here (e.g, note the virtually complete exclusion of SLACs from the discussion). Northeastern's advocates don't argue that it provides the best undergraduate education (which makes sense because its "undergraduate education" rankings aren't especially strong either) but rather that by various metrics NEU now ranks among the top universities in the country. It's a fairly subtle distinction but one that someone as smart as you can no doubt grasp, or pretend to.

And to be clear, I'm not a 'Northeastern hater" (a characteristically infantile accusation that ignores that i'm not disparaging Northeastern but rather some of the exaggerated or frankly untruthful claims some make about it). Northeastern's a very good school that provides a unique educational experience. But I'm honestly offended by the assumption that in unedited fora like this people can state an untruth aggressively and repeatedly (whether to talk up one college or talk down another) to serve their own purposes, and make it a new alternative fact out of it, and mislead the gullible when actually a lot is at stake.

Oh good Lord. Too much nonsense to wade through this late at night.

As you are so confident you both understand your link and US undergraduate education (see the bolded you wrote! So delightfully certain!), could you just tell me what undergraduate degrees #45 (University of California, San Francisco) or the, uh, “Mayo Medical School” offer? Also, while you’re at it, could you explain what and where exactly the “University of Massachusetts” and “University of Indiana” are, in that link you seem to think so highly of and that you understand so well? Also, perhaps, direct me to where I might find the “University of Campinas”?

I’d appreciate it ever so much.

Np - no dog in this fight but that’s a truly childish no-response response… just saying. Carry on

I’m sorry that your champion has been shown to be a fool.

I am neutral on NEU, but I certainly don’t swan around throwing around links I quite clearly don’t understand at a basic level to make my point.

No dog in this fight means no champion for me. I thought your post was pathetic that’s all. Like I said carry on

Lol sure. Pretty funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well with all this Northeastern talk, i just had to check the stats

“Of the record-large pool of 90,989 applicants, only 6,179 were admitted, or about 6.7%, Northeastern spokesperson Shannon Nargi wrote in an email statement”

looks like a heavy TO policy probably helped, as about 60% of applicants were TO. Couldn’t find breakdown of accepted or enrolled students.

But like the school or hate the school, when you are approaching 100k applicants, you’re doing something right in terms of branding and marketing.

More importantly, it's doing something very right in terms of education, service, outcome when you look at the retention rate and outcome data.
It's literally #3 after MIT and UChigao on retention rate. Its outcome is on par/better/close to most of the T20/T25 schools.
Just hard facts, but haters/bashers get crazy and obsessed. 
I never saw anybody called Northeastern elite whatever that means other than the haters. 
They get ticked off by the term elite when they don't even know what it means. 

no, I think it has more to do with branding and marketing (and a well known campaign to improve the USNews ranking). Agree to disagree.

No, no amount of branding/marketing will make the students like the school and come back unless you think the school put a gun to the heads of the student to stay put.

Also a well known campaign to improve the school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree w the acceptance rate/yield rate being super important for tire safeties. Of course a kid w truly high stats would get into a BU/BC or trinity/conn college if they EDed as they are well above the 75th percentile. But this type of school cares about those rates and know this kid won’t matriculate so may not waste an acceptance on an otherwise over qualified candidate.

A kid with truly high stats who EDs BU or BC will not definitely get in. It just hasn't been the case in the last cycle or two.

Yeah, I know a few very high stat kids who did ED to BC who were deferred this season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well with all this Northeastern talk, i just had to check the stats

“Of the record-large pool of 90,989 applicants, only 6,179 were admitted, or about 6.7%, Northeastern spokesperson Shannon Nargi wrote in an email statement”

looks like a heavy TO policy probably helped, as about 60% of applicants were TO. Couldn’t find breakdown of accepted or enrolled students.

But like the school or hate the school, when you are approaching 100k applicants, you’re doing something right in terms of branding and marketing.

More importantly, it's doing something very right in terms of education, service, outcome when you look at the retention rate and outcome data.
It's literally #3 after MIT and UChigao on retention rate. Its outcome is on par/better/close to most of the T20/T25 schools.
Just hard facts, but haters/bashers get crazy and obsessed. 
I never saw anybody called Northeastern elite whatever that means other than the haters. 
They get ticked off by the term elite when they don't even know what it means. 

no, I think it has more to do with branding and marketing (and a well known campaign to improve the USNews ranking). Agree to disagree.

No, no amount of branding/marketing will make the students like the school and come back unless you think the school put a gun to the heads of the student to stay put.

Also a well known campaign to improve the school.

not sure about the campaign you’re talking about - here’s some background on the campaign I referenced earlier with regards to NEU’s USNews ranking obsession
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

[Anonymous]

Really OP I think safeties for high state kids have to be in the 100-200 USNWR range at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well with all this Northeastern talk, i just had to check the stats

“Of the record-large pool of 90,989 applicants, only 6,179 were admitted, or about 6.7%, Northeastern spokesperson Shannon Nargi wrote in an email statement”

looks like a heavy TO policy probably helped, as about 60% of applicants were TO. Couldn’t find breakdown of accepted or enrolled students.

But like the school or hate the school, when you are approaching 100k applicants, you’re doing something right in terms of branding and marketing.

More importantly, it's doing something very right in terms of education, service, outcome when you look at the retention rate and outcome data.
It's literally #3 after MIT and UChigao on retention rate. Its outcome is on par/better/close to most of the T20/T25 schools.
Just hard facts, but haters/bashers get crazy and obsessed. 
I never saw anybody called Northeastern elite whatever that means other than the haters. 
They get ticked off by the term elite when they don't even know what it means. 

no, I think it has more to do with branding and marketing (and a well known campaign to improve the USNews ranking). Agree to disagree.

No, no amount of branding/marketing will make the students like the school and come back unless you think the school put a gun to the heads of the student to stay put.

Also a well known campaign to improve the school.

not sure about the campaign you’re talking about - here’s some background on the campaign I referenced earlier with regards to NEU’s USNews ranking obsession
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

August 2014...
Obama in middle of 2nd term;
Ferguson, MO riots;
My HS senior getting ready to start 4th grade;
Robin Williams committed suicide;
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie marry.

Yep. Timely info.

[Anonymous]

Lehigh is considered a safety??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:well with all this Northeastern talk, i just had to check the stats

“Of the record-large pool of 90,989 applicants, only 6,179 were admitted, or about 6.7%, Northeastern spokesperson Shannon Nargi wrote in an email statement”

looks like a heavy TO policy probably helped, as about 60% of applicants were TO. Couldn’t find breakdown of accepted or enrolled students.

But like the school or hate the school, when you are approaching 100k applicants, you’re doing something right in terms of branding and marketing.

More importantly, it's doing something very right in terms of education, service, outcome when you look at the retention rate and outcome data.
It's literally #3 after MIT and UChigao on retention rate. Its outcome is on par/better/close to most of the T20/T25 schools.
Just hard facts, but haters/bashers get crazy and obsessed. 
I never saw anybody called Northeastern elite whatever that means other than the haters. 
They get ticked off by the term elite when they don't even know what it means. 

no, I think it has more to do with branding and marketing (and a well known campaign to improve the USNews ranking). Agree to disagree.

No, no amount of branding/marketing will make the students like the school and come back unless you think the school put a gun to the heads of the student to stay put.

Also a well known campaign to improve the school.

not sure about the campaign you’re talking about - here’s some background on the campaign I referenced earlier with regards to NEU’s USNews ranking obsession
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

August 2014...
Obama in middle of 2nd term;
Ferguson, MO riots;
My HS senior getting ready to start 4th grade;
Robin Williams committed suicide;
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie marry.

Yep. Timely info.

and the dumb old article which is the haters best friend basically says NEU followed rules and actually had improved while other schools choose to cheat such as Columbia, Berkeley, Emory, etc. Here is the cheater list USN&WR keeps - https://www.usnews.com/education/articles/us-news-rankings-updates

[Anonymous]

My son did not apply to any safeties. He applied to 8 matches. I was very nervous seeing his list...
Luckily, he got accepted by one match. We are waiting for others.
College application is a stressful experience

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son did not apply to any safeties. He applied to 8 matches. I was very nervous seeing his list...
Luckily, he got accepted by one match. We are waiting for others.
College application is a stressful experience

It is. You're in the home stretch (and congrats!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son did not apply to any safeties. He applied to 8 matches. I was very nervous seeing his list...
Luckily, he got accepted by one match. We are waiting for others.
College application is a stressful experience

My kid did about a dozen high/mid/low matches, and some reaches.
No true safeties.
Turned out fine.
So much randomness, luck, and bullshit factors in US college admission system.

[Anonymous]

More importantly, it's doing something very right in terms of education, service, outcome when you look at the retention rate and outcome data.
It's literally #3 after MIT and UChigao on retention rate. Its outcome is on par/better/close to most of the T20/T25 schools.
Just hard facts, but haters/bashers get crazy and obsessed.

Not sure what your source is, but last year's WSJ rankings (the final set WSJ publiished) said NEU ranked #82 among student "Outcomes" - which isn't bad in the grand scheme of things but isn't "T20/T25" and in fact ranks NEU behind UMD/CP and VPI and Pitt and Indiana.