upzoning: what will it really change?

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Anonymous wrote:How does snow removal work with these protected bike lanes? Do plows launch the snow 15’ over the bike lane onto the sidewalk? That doesn’t seem possible or safe. So it seems like we’d be down to one lane in each direction during snow events. What does this mean for first responders? Has anyone thought about this?

Great question. One of many we don’t have answers to.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, just pave over everything. Then we'll be in paradise.

What a very odd comment. It's almost like you're intentionally completely ignoring the plan that's being discussed.

Kind of like the 300 white bicyclists and billions of dollars on bike lanes guy? Yeah, why would I engage at this point?

Because 10,000 extra vehicles on residential side streets packed with schools, seniors and children, the destruction of small businesses, and the impending traffic nightmare impact you as well, assuming you're actually local that is.

Don't cut off your nose to spite someone because they make fun of lyrca.

Every time I see one of the lycra sadsacks, I hold my hand out the car window with by thumb and finger about 3 inches apart and ask "is it only this big?"

How often do you get to do this, though? DC cyclists are not lycra dudes, they're parents on cargo bikes, and millennials on bikeshare bikes. Lycra cyclists don't give a rip about protected bike lanes - they want to take a full lane of car traffic, or shove leisure cyclists off the trails, while going very fast with their heads down.

LOL no. You have a creative imagination. We all see the MAMILs (Middle Aged Men In Lycra) and unfortunately have had to deal with them regularly. The “parents on cargo bikes” is one of those funny things that you think is common because you notice them, but you only notice them because they are so rare. The MAMILs on the other hand are the majority of the small number of cyclists and as a result apparently unremarkable to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does snow removal work with these protected bike lanes? Do plows launch the snow 15’ over the bike lane onto the sidewalk? That doesn’t seem possible or safe. So it seems like we’d be down to one lane in each direction during snow events. What does this mean for first responders? Has anyone thought about this?

First responders are absolutely consulted on new street designs such as bike lanes. There are many experts who provide input into these things- firemen (they have distinct requirement s because of size and turning radius of trucks); traffic engineers, etc. The reason these things take so long is because they are being studied and analyzed before being put in

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does snow removal work with these protected bike lanes? Do plows launch the snow 15’ over the bike lane onto the sidewalk? That doesn’t seem possible or safe. So it seems like we’d be down to one lane in each direction during snow events. What does this mean for first responders? Has anyone thought about this?

What is going to happen is that the plows will plow snow into the bike lanes. The one cyclist dumb enough to bike in snow will take a picture and post it to social media along side a winter bike lane in a snowy country in Europe and complain. DDOT will respond by purchasing expensive equipment to just plow the protected bike lanes that pushes the snow onto the sidewalk where it creates a real hazard to pedestrians (which means everyone). The costs of the equipment and plowing will be obscene but no costs can be spared so that one dude can ride his bike after a snow storm in the middle of winter.

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Anonymous wrote:How does snow removal work with these protected bike lanes? Do plows launch the snow 15’ over the bike lane onto the sidewalk? That doesn’t seem possible or safe. So it seems like we’d be down to one lane in each direction during snow events. What does this mean for first responders? Has anyone thought about this?

First responders are absolutely consulted on new street designs such as bike lanes. There are many experts who provide input into these things- firemen (they have distinct requirement s because of size and turning radius of trucks); traffic engineers, etc. The reason these things take so long is because they are being studied and analyzed before being put in

There is nothing about the bike lane program that “takes so long”. They are literally just installing them willy nilly everywhere. It puts paid to DC government excuses that they cannot get other things done within a reasonable time period.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, it's like you came here to troll the urban moms and dads troll playground about zoning and now they're trolling you about bike lanes.

It’s pretty funny and indicative that I think people are at their limit with this nonsense. I think it reflects a rising concern that city planning and transportation policy is being driven by urbanist social media influencers that is not going to end well for the city.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, it's like you came here to troll the urban moms and dads troll playground about zoning and now they're trolling you about bike lanes.

It’s pretty funny and indicative that I think people are at their limit with this nonsense. I think it reflects a rising concern that city planning and transportation policy is being driven by urbanist social media influencers that is not going to end well for the city.

yesss bike lanes and apartment buildings spell disaster for a city. complete chaos!!!

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Anonymous wrote:OP, it's like you came here to troll the urban moms and dads troll playground about zoning and now they're trolling you about bike lanes.

It’s pretty funny and indicative that I think people are at their limit with this nonsense. I think it reflects a rising concern that city planning and transportation policy is being driven by urbanist social media influencers that is not going to end well for the city.

yesss bike lanes and apartment buildings spell disaster for a city. complete chaos!!!

Eliminating two lanes on an integral arterial road that is used by over 30,000 people daily and forcing 10,000 of them onto residential side streets filled with children and seniors while destroying small businesses that have been around for decades is indeed a big deal. The kicker is that even the bicyclists know that bike lanes on Connecticut won't be used there because of the topography and presence of a long standing preferred route down beach drive.

This plan benefits no one

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does snow removal work with these protected bike lanes? Do plows launch the snow 15’ over the bike lane onto the sidewalk? That doesn’t seem possible or safe. So it seems like we’d be down to one lane in each direction during snow events. What does this mean for first responders? Has anyone thought about this?

What is going to happen is that the plows will plow snow into the bike lanes. The one cyclist dumb enough to bike in snow will take a picture and post it to social media along side a winter bike lane in a snowy country in Europe and complain. DDOT will respond by purchasing expensive equipment to just plow the protected bike lanes that pushes the snow onto the sidewalk where it creates a real hazard to pedestrians (which means everyone). The costs of the equipment and plowing will be obscene but no costs can be spared so that one dude can ride his bike after a snow storm in the middle of winter.

The plows will destroy the bike lanes every winter, right? This is going to cost $10M per/year into perpetuity.

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Anonymous wrote:How does snow removal work with these protected bike lanes? Do plows launch the snow 15’ over the bike lane onto the sidewalk? That doesn’t seem possible or safe. So it seems like we’d be down to one lane in each direction during snow events. What does this mean for first responders? Has anyone thought about this?

What is going to happen is that the plows will plow snow into the bike lanes. The one cyclist dumb enough to bike in snow will take a picture and post it to social media along side a winter bike lane in a snowy country in Europe and complain. DDOT will respond by purchasing expensive equipment to just plow the protected bike lanes that pushes the snow onto the sidewalk where it creates a real hazard to pedestrians (which means everyone). The costs of the equipment and plowing will be obscene but no costs can be spared so that one dude can ride his bike after a snow storm in the middle of winter.

The plows will destroy the bike lanes every winter, right? This is going to cost $10M per/year into perpetuity.

$10M gets you major structural changes to the street including tearing up those islands. You're so lost in your own moronic goals that you don't know how dumb you sound.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does snow removal work with these protected bike lanes? Do plows launch the snow 15’ over the bike lane onto the sidewalk? That doesn’t seem possible or safe. So it seems like we’d be down to one lane in each direction during snow events. What does this mean for first responders? Has anyone thought about this?

First responders are absolutely consulted on new street designs such as bike lanes. There are many experts who provide input into these things- firemen (they have distinct requirement s because of size and turning radius of trucks); traffic engineers, etc. The reason these things take so long is because they are being studied and analyzed before being put in

Are they? Let's see their report then. How much will response time increase due to the increased congestion on both Connecticut and the side streets?

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Anonymous wrote:How does snow removal work with these protected bike lanes? Do plows launch the snow 15’ over the bike lane onto the sidewalk? That doesn’t seem possible or safe. So it seems like we’d be down to one lane in each direction during snow events. What does this mean for first responders? Has anyone thought about this?

First responders are absolutely consulted on new street designs such as bike lanes. There are many experts who provide input into these things- firemen (they have distinct requirement s because of size and turning radius of trucks); traffic engineers, etc. The reason these things take so long is because they are being studied and analyzed before being put in

Are they? Let's see their report then. How much will response time increase due to the increased congestion on both Connecticut and the side streets?

If you really cared about first responder response time you'd ban rush hour traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:How does snow removal work with these protected bike lanes? Do plows launch the snow 15’ over the bike lane onto the sidewalk? That doesn’t seem possible or safe. So it seems like we’d be down to one lane in each direction during snow events. What does this mean for first responders? Has anyone thought about this?

First responders are absolutely consulted on new street designs such as bike lanes. There are many experts who provide input into these things- firemen (they have distinct requirement s because of size and turning radius of trucks); traffic engineers, etc. The reason these things take so long is because they are being studied and analyzed before being put in

Are they? Let's see their report then. How much will response time increase due to the increased congestion on both Connecticut and the side streets?

If you really cared about first responder response time you'd ban rush hour traffic.

Yes, put your tricycle on the front of the bud and don’t remove 33% of the road lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:How does snow removal work with these protected bike lanes? Do plows launch the snow 15’ over the bike lane onto the sidewalk? That doesn’t seem possible or safe. So it seems like we’d be down to one lane in each direction during snow events. What does this mean for first responders? Has anyone thought about this?

First responders are absolutely consulted on new street designs such as bike lanes. There are many experts who provide input into these things- firemen (they have distinct requirement s because of size and turning radius of trucks); traffic engineers, etc. The reason these things take so long is because they are being studied and analyzed before being put in

Are they? Let's see their report then. How much will response time increase due to the increased congestion on both Connecticut and the side streets?

If you really cared about first responder response time you'd ban rush hour traffic.

This has to be the dumbest comment yet.

It's a simple question. You, or one of your WABA buddies, have stated that Fire/EMS/Police have studied the impact of closing 1/3 of Connecticut Ave on their ability to provide essential services and implied that they have approved it. If so, what is the estimated impact on response times of deliberately increasing congestion by 33% on their main route and exponentially increasing it on the side streets?

This impacts everyone negatively. I don't think a 10 minute increase in response times for seizures, heart attacks, strokes, burglary, and fires is worth the trade off. You seem to think it is. So let's see the numbers. What size decrease in the effectiveness of emergency response is worth it to you?


The truth is that emergency services aren't actually asked for impact assesments. They're only asked if fire trucks still fit. None of the manifest and obvious negative impacts were taken into account before making a decision.

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Anonymous wrote:How does snow removal work with these protected bike lanes? Do plows launch the snow 15’ over the bike lane onto the sidewalk? That doesn’t seem possible or safe. So it seems like we’d be down to one lane in each direction during snow events. What does this mean for first responders? Has anyone thought about this?

First responders are absolutely consulted on new street designs such as bike lanes. There are many experts who provide input into these things- firemen (they have distinct requirement s because of size and turning radius of trucks); traffic engineers, etc. The reason these things take so long is because they are being studied and analyzed before being put in

Are they? Let's see their report then. How much will response time increase due to the increased congestion on both Connecticut and the side streets?

If you really cared about first responder response time you'd ban rush hour traffic.

This has to be the dumbest comment yet.

It's a simple question. You, or one of your WABA buddies, have stated that Fire/EMS/Police have studied the impact of closing 1/3 of Connecticut Ave on their ability to provide essential services and implied that they have approved it. If so, what is the estimated impact on response times of deliberately increasing congestion by 33% on their main route and exponentially increasing it on the side streets?

This impacts everyone negatively. I don't think a 10 minute increase in response times for seizures, heart attacks, strokes, burglary, and fires is worth the trade off. You seem to think it is. So let's see the numbers. What size decrease in the effectiveness of emergency response is worth it to you?


The truth is that emergency services aren't actually asked for impact assesments. They're only asked if fire trucks still fit. None of the manifest and obvious negative impacts were taken into account before making a decision.

No one asks the emergency services if it's OK for thousands more commuters to decide they'd rather drive than take Metro, either, but it had the same effect. Or is traffic only a problem when you think someone else is causing it?