upzoning: what will it really change?

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Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

I know this is going to blow your dogmatic little brain, but cars make people's lives better, in almost too many ways to even count. Why else do you think people bother with the expense? And if riding a bike is so great, why do so incredibly few people do it? The city has spent billions building all these bike lanes over many years and still hardly anyone uses them (and studies suggest they only appeal to people in a narrow demographic -- namely, young white men). At some point you have to ask why the government is spending so much money on a form of transportation that hardly anyone wants.

Because crappy drivers like you threaten our lives if we do bike.

Yup. Absolutely fewer people bike because the infrastructure is poor. Which is why they advocated for better infrastructure in the form of...bike lanes.

Nobody takes the train the Rehobeth, does that mean that nobody would if there was a train that went there?

This isn't about stupid bike lanes. It's about eliminating two lanes from an essential road that serves 30,000 people a day and is the main connection to the beltway for the northern part of the quadrant. It's a spectacularly stupid idea for everybody, bicyclists included.

Maybe we should add a few lanes. Then we won't have so much traffic.

At this point we're gonna have to add lanes to all the side streets instead.

I'd give all the local speed bump proponents a hearty Nelson Muntz for getting played into supporting this but the joke's on all of us. WABA got their $3 million already (hope yall are at least getting a cut for your trolling).

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Yes, just pave over everything. Then we'll be in paradise.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, just pave over everything. Then we'll be in paradise.

What a very odd comment. It's almost like you're intentionally completely ignoring the plan that's being discussed.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, just pave over everything. Then we'll be in paradise.

What a very odd comment. It's almost like you're intentionally completely ignoring the plan that's being discussed.

Kind of like the 300 white bicyclists and billions of dollars on bike lanes guy? Yeah, why would I engage at this point?

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Anonymous wrote:Who is Nick?

Anti-bike nutjob.

My name is not Nick, I’m a cyclist and I think it makes more sense to put bike lanes where there is the most population density and where there is the highest deaths due to traffic violence. To argue otherwise seems like whack job type stuff to me.

Again, what’s wrong with Metro train and metro bus that we’ve collectively paid $10 billion for and has an annual operating budget of $2+ billion? You can put your little bike right on the front.

And you can put your little self inside the bus instead of inside a car. Easy-peasy.

My car will not kill businesses that we all depend on for services and the city needs for its tax base. One 30 year CT Ave business owner said last week the bike lanes would kill his business so he is not renewing his lease. Others will follow. He literally cited the bike lanes. And the bikers laughed at him. Here’s the thing, most reasonable people in Ward 3 are going to take the word of a small business job creator over the word of a bike riding non profit worker with a worthless college degree that contributes nothing to the community other than some annual report that nobody ever reads.

The way businesses in Cleveland Park have been going lately, it sort of seems hard to put ALL the blame on the bike lanes, which aren't even there yet. Who is this business owner, anyway? He's been cited a lot in this thread, but which business is it?

Some of the blame also falls on the city for its complete mismanagement of the homeless situation. They are packing the strip with housing vouchers. There were 5 pan handlers along the commercial strip yesterday. One was walking in and out of traffic. There’s also a shirtless gentleman who spends hours dancing on the sidewalks along the strip. I know all the bikers will enjoy meeting him.

Shirtless??!!? Egads, no!

He whacks off on cars pretty routinely.

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Anonymous wrote:This says gas taxes and other things like that only fund about a third of the costs of roads.

https://taxfoundation.org/states-road-funding-2019/

So why are we spending so much on destroying the environment?

Because roads are an essential part of our transportation network moving goods and people throughout the region. Without roads there is no civilization.

Some roads, sure. But we don't need to give you a comfy individual ride to your country club. Civilization would be fine without that.

I know this is going to blow your dogmatic little brain, but cars make people's lives better, in almost too many ways to even count. Why else do you think people bother with the expense? And if riding a bike is so great, why do so incredibly few people do it? The city has spent billions building all these bike lanes over many years and still hardly anyone uses them (and studies suggest they only appeal to people in a narrow demographic -- namely, young white men). At some point you have to ask why the government is spending so much money on a form of transportation that hardly anyone wants.

Because crappy drivers like you threaten our lives if we do bike.

Like boxing and playing football and jumping out of airplanes, riding a bike in a city is very dangerous and most people figure it's not worth the risk. A small number of people, apparently in denial about the risk they run, figure otherwise.

Except for cities that make it a point to make it safer.

There is no city in the entire world where biking is safe. They all have the same stats.

At some point it seems kind of insane to spend billions of dollars to build up a bike infrastructure that's used by 300 white guys who are really into bikes in the same city where one-fifth of children live below the poverty line.

Maybe we could spend a little more on poor black children and a lot less subsidizing the hobbies of dudes from Ward 3?

Do you really think any of the white liberals in DC give a rat's arse about improving the lives of poor black children? They need to keep them down so that they will continue to vote for Democrats who will continue to build bike lanes for them now and pickle ball courts for them as they age. Didn't no one every tell you about The Plan.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, just pave over everything. Then we'll be in paradise.

What a very odd comment. It's almost like you're intentionally completely ignoring the plan that's being discussed.

Kind of like the 300 white bicyclists and billions of dollars on bike lanes guy? Yeah, why would I engage at this point?

Because 10,000 extra vehicles on residential side streets packed with schools, seniors and children, the destruction of small businesses, and the impending traffic nightmare impact you as well, assuming you're actually local that is.

Don't cut off your nose to spite someone because they make fun of lyrca.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, just pave over everything. Then we'll be in paradise.

What a very odd comment. It's almost like you're intentionally completely ignoring the plan that's being discussed.

No we are discussing the plan designed by the same people who developed the plan to count crows. They are call the counting crows. Try to keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is Nick?

Anti-bike nutjob.

My name is not Nick, I’m a cyclist and I think it makes more sense to put bike lanes where there is the most population density and where there is the highest deaths due to traffic violence. To argue otherwise seems like whack job type stuff to me.

Again, what’s wrong with Metro train and metro bus that we’ve collectively paid $10 billion for and has an annual operating budget of $2+ billion? You can put your little bike right on the front.

The craziest thing about bike lanes in D.C. is how few people use them. It would be cheaper if the city paid each bicyclist $10,000 to take the bus.

Ummm the 15th Street bike lane gets as many as 3000 bikes per day and it gets that usage without DC even having a network of lanes which would greatly increase the utilization.

And no it would not be cheaper to pay each bicyclist to take the bus (though most bicyclists also use public transit) - the CT Ave bike lanes are a minuscule expense - the entire project is going to cost about 10 million - DC spends $600 million a year on just maintaining its roads

You don’t know how many people use the 15TH Street Cycletrack because DC stopped collecting data in July 2020 and it was trending downward when supposedly there was a COVID cycling renaissance.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, just pave over everything. Then we'll be in paradise.

What a very odd comment. It's almost like you're intentionally completely ignoring the plan that's being discussed.

Kind of like the 300 white bicyclists and billions of dollars on bike lanes guy? Yeah, why would I engage at this point?

Because 10,000 extra vehicles on residential side streets packed with schools, seniors and children, the destruction of small businesses, and the impending traffic nightmare impact you as well, assuming you're actually local that is.

Don't cut off your nose to spite someone because they make fun of lyrca.

Every time I see one of the lycra sadsacks, I hold my hand out the car window with by thumb and finger about 3 inches apart and ask "is it only this big?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, just pave over everything. Then we'll be in paradise.

What a very odd comment. It's almost like you're intentionally completely ignoring the plan that's being discussed.

No we are discussing the plan designed by the same people who developed the plan to count crows. They are call the counting crows. Try to keep up.

Helpful hint: nobody has ever thought the Counting Crows were cool. Maybe try a Hootie and the Blowfish, MC Hammer, or Nickelback reference next time. Can I kick it? Maybe if you Hold my Hand

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, just pave over everything. Then we'll be in paradise.

What a very odd comment. It's almost like you're intentionally completely ignoring the plan that's being discussed.

No we are discussing the plan designed by the same people who developed the plan to count crows. They are call the counting crows. Try to keep up.

Helpful hint: nobody has ever thought the Counting Crows were cool. Maybe try a Hootie and the Blowfish, MC Hammer, or Nickelback reference next time. Can I kick it? Maybe if you Hold my Hand

CC May not be cool but they were the reference point fir paving paradise and putting up a parking lot.

Now give me the relevant lyrics from your tired old groups f

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How does snow removal work with these protected bike lanes? Do plows launch the snow 15’ over the bike lane onto the sidewalk? That doesn’t seem possible or safe. So it seems like we’d be down to one lane in each direction during snow events. What does this mean for first responders? Has anyone thought about this?

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OP, it's like you came here to troll the urban moms and dads troll playground about zoning and now they're trolling you about bike lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, just pave over everything. Then we'll be in paradise.

What a very odd comment. It's almost like you're intentionally completely ignoring the plan that's being discussed.

Kind of like the 300 white bicyclists and billions of dollars on bike lanes guy? Yeah, why would I engage at this point?

Because 10,000 extra vehicles on residential side streets packed with schools, seniors and children, the destruction of small businesses, and the impending traffic nightmare impact you as well, assuming you're actually local that is.

Don't cut off your nose to spite someone because they make fun of lyrca.

Every time I see one of the lycra sadsacks, I hold my hand out the car window with by thumb and finger about 3 inches apart and ask "is it only this big?"

How often do you get to do this, though? DC cyclists are not lycra dudes, they're parents on cargo bikes, and millennials on bikeshare bikes. Lycra cyclists don't give a rip about protected bike lanes - they want to take a full lane of car traffic, or shove leisure cyclists off the trails, while going very fast with their heads down.