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that's what the capable kids deserve
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I agree it won't be easy for this kid and could drop out of TJ within 1 or 2 months. Last year there were 18 kids who dropped out and actual TJ class of 2025 was 529 not 550 because 9 of them took offer but later went to base school so didn't even start at TJ. It is better to realize early than let a kid go to TJ because it sounds cool and let him struggle and then dropout. I would suggest this parent to go to the TJ info session tomorrow and have a serious discussion with teachers and current students and then decide


529 (class size) +9 (dropped out after accepting)=538. What happened to the remaining 12 spots? Did they reduce the class size?


Throughout the whole school year, 21 freshmen have dropped out.
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Anonymous wrote:TJ has to save those students, otherwise it is announcing the failure of their ridiculous admission reform.


DC tells me it's the same this year as any other year. I t think this is just C4TJ propaganda like their free meals hoax.


You show up again!

Tell us what data FCPS have to override the FARMS question in the application.

Put up or shut up.

Repeating a lie without evidence does not make it the truth. Unless you subscribe to Trumpian approach. But nothing is beyond you

So what data does FCPS have on applicants’ income. Tell us.


Oh no. Are you afraid you’re going to get caught lying?


I repeat

Please tell us what information does FCPS have to override the response to the FARMS question in the application.

Deal in facts, please not hyperbole.



I am a DP and I repeat.

Oh no. Are you afraid you’re going to get caught lying?

You seem very invested in whether they can verify low-income or not.

Why are you afraid of a valid question? The worst part of the application process is its lack of transparency. Just like college admissions…basically a holistic approach means we admit who the hell we fell like it within the weak parameters


I’ll take that as a yes.

Shouldn’t have lied.


DP, but at least for me, it's a different concern. Our child answered no to both questions and we fear that they were at a disadvantage by failing to earn experience points which many well-off families earned by answering yes. We have not been given any assurances that the TJ admissions office has done any verification of FARMS status, and it is thus reasonable to believe that they may have awarded experience points to anyone who answered yes without any verification.


Anyone try asking the board whether they verify they meal answers?



They don’t want to answer. They let their minions like the PP above fight the battle for the narrative. Accepting that the data was suspect would take away from their touted achievement of seating the most economically diverse class in the history of the school. Noble intent but botched implementation but the political class will take whatever credit they can take- even if it is highly suspect.

For the record, parents have followed up with individual schools where they have access to real school staff - and the staff has confirmed that they have no access to any income data for enrolled families. So there is that.


This was already debunked. THey have the info for anyone who attends public.


Nope they don’t. You are confusing family income data for family demographic data. They have demographic data - you are right. They don’t have any income data to override the response to the FARMS question in the TJ Application.
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I agree it won't be easy for this kid and could drop out of TJ within 1 or 2 months. Last year there were 18 kids who dropped out and actual TJ class of 2025 was 529 not 550 because 9 of them took offer but later went to base school so didn't even start at TJ. It is better to realize early than let a kid go to TJ because it sounds cool and let him struggle and then dropout. I would suggest this parent to go to the TJ info session tomorrow and have a serious discussion with teachers and current students and then decide


529 (class size) +9 (dropped out after accepting)=538. What happened to the remaining 12 spots? Did they reduce the class size?


Throughout the whole school year, 21 freshmen have dropped out.


It's expected that there will be more students who will go back to their base school after finishing the year out.
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I agree it won't be easy for this kid and could drop out of TJ within 1 or 2 months. Last year there were 18 kids who dropped out and actual TJ class of 2025 was 529 not 550 because 9 of them took offer but later went to base school so didn't even start at TJ. It is better to realize early than let a kid go to TJ because it sounds cool and let him struggle and then dropout. I would suggest this parent to go to the TJ info session tomorrow and have a serious discussion with teachers and current students and then decide


529 (class size) +9 (dropped out after accepting)=538. What happened to the remaining 12 spots? Did they reduce the class size?


Throughout the whole school year, 21 freshmen have dropped out.


THe published stats disagree.
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Anonymous wrote:TJ has to save those students, otherwise it is announcing the failure of their ridiculous admission reform.


DC tells me it's the same this year as any other year. I t think this is just C4TJ propaganda like their free meals hoax.


You show up again!

Tell us what data FCPS have to override the FARMS question in the application.

Put up or shut up.

Repeating a lie without evidence does not make it the truth. Unless you subscribe to Trumpian approach. But nothing is beyond you

So what data does FCPS have on applicants’ income. Tell us.


Oh no. Are you afraid you’re going to get caught lying?


I repeat

Please tell us what information does FCPS have to override the response to the FARMS question in the application.

Deal in facts, please not hyperbole.



I am a DP and I repeat.

Oh no. Are you afraid you’re going to get caught lying?

You seem very invested in whether they can verify low-income or not.

Why are you afraid of a valid question? The worst part of the application process is its lack of transparency. Just like college admissions…basically a holistic approach means we admit who the hell we fell like it within the weak parameters


I’ll take that as a yes.

Shouldn’t have lied.


DP, but at least for me, it's a different concern. Our child answered no to both questions and we fear that they were at a disadvantage by failing to earn experience points which many well-off families earned by answering yes. We have not been given any assurances that the TJ admissions office has done any verification of FARMS status, and it is thus reasonable to believe that they may have awarded experience points to anyone who answered yes without any verification.


Anyone try asking the board whether they verify they meal answers?



They don’t want to answer. They let their minions like the PP above fight the battle for the narrative. Accepting that the data was suspect would take away from their touted achievement of seating the most economically diverse class in the history of the school. Noble intent but botched implementation but the political class will take whatever credit they can take- even if it is highly suspect.

For the record, parents have followed up with individual schools where they have access to real school staff - and the staff has confirmed that they have no access to any income data for enrolled families. So there is that.


This was already debunked. THey have the info for anyone who attends public.


Nope they don’t. You are confusing family income data for family demographic data. They have demographic data - you are right. They don’t have any income data to override the response to the FARMS question in the TJ Application.


You're missing the point on purpose. They actually do have exactly which public school students are receiving free meals and the rumor that this was being abused spread by the C4TJ conspiracy theoriests was debunked.
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Anonymous wrote:My son who is smarter than my other DC who attends TJ didnt get accepted. He is a geek.


Do you know any others that got in from your MS? Would you say your son is more qualified than they are?


I dont know any from his school. Yes I can say that with conviction my son is more qualified. I dont want to list his achievememts here if I do if someone from his school is reading they will know who I am talking about.




Maybe they didn't like his essay. Is he in private school?


Yes could be his english is weak. He is stem focused not really interested in reading. not in private.



IDK. My kid got in with a B+ in standard (not HN) English in both 7th and 8th. Dyslexic with an IEP. No real STEM ECs— unless you count his Minecraft addiction. I was surprised he got in. Especially since he is taking Algebra I in 8th, with a B first semester. Then again, he should have gotten “experience points” for the learning disorder.

I’m excited for him. I had always thought the dyslexia would be a deal killer.


I guess he got in under the new 1.5% / school from an under represented school and met the minimum requirements GPA 3.5. If you and your child are surprised he got in, you have a serious decision to make. It is going to be very competitive and stressful and some kids can go into depression not being able to handle the load and pressure. If he can handle those to come in par with other top students, accept it else give this opportunity to other deserving GPA 4 students so a top kid from Longfellow or Carson can make it. These top kids from these top middle schools have worked a lot and been involved in lot of STEM ECs and disappointed for not getting in due to per school quota. Hope you do the right thing.


Different poster: calm yourself. Don’t guilt someone into giving up a spot because YOU think your kid is more Deserving.


Omg..I am happy for the kid with dyslexia! But unless TJ now has a slew of crazy resources and/or this student is a minority, TJ is not structured to handle it. Is it possible? 100 percent but only with a parent that is willing to battle beg and plead every step of the way to hep their child obtain every gosh darn resource, tutor and extra help the child deserves. Obviously not the way it should be, but I am dealing with reality.


I agree it won't be easy for this kid and could drop out of TJ within 1 or 2 months. Last year there were 18 kids who dropped out and actual TJ class of 2025 was 529 not 550 because 9 of them took offer but later went to base school so didn't even start at TJ. It is better to realize early than let a kid go to TJ because it sounds cool and let him struggle and then dropout. I would suggest this parent to go to the TJ info session tomorrow and have a serious discussion with teachers and current students and then decide


Wasn’t the original discussion with the public that they would pull from the waitlist until the end of the 1st Quarter?


You are correct. The TJ Admissions office appears to be doing whatever it wants without regard to the regulations passed by the school board.
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Anonymous wrote:TJ has to save those students, otherwise it is announcing the failure of their ridiculous admission reform.


DC tells me it's the same this year as any other year. I t think this is just C4TJ propaganda like their free meals hoax.


You show up again!

Tell us what data FCPS have to override the FARMS question in the application.

Put up or shut up.

Repeating a lie without evidence does not make it the truth. Unless you subscribe to Trumpian approach. But nothing is beyond you

So what data does FCPS have on applicants’ income. Tell us.


Oh no. Are you afraid you’re going to get caught lying?


I repeat

Please tell us what information does FCPS have to override the response to the FARMS question in the application.

Deal in facts, please not hyperbole.



I am a DP and I repeat.

Oh no. Are you afraid you’re going to get caught lying?

You seem very invested in whether they can verify low-income or not.

Why are you afraid of a valid question? The worst part of the application process is its lack of transparency. Just like college admissions…basically a holistic approach means we admit who the hell we fell like it within the weak parameters


I’ll take that as a yes.

Shouldn’t have lied.


DP, but at least for me, it's a different concern. Our child answered no to both questions and we fear that they were at a disadvantage by failing to earn experience points which many well-off families earned by answering yes. We have not been given any assurances that the TJ admissions office has done any verification of FARMS status, and it is thus reasonable to believe that they may have awarded experience points to anyone who answered yes without any verification.


Anyone try asking the board whether they verify they meal answers?



They don’t want to answer. They let their minions like the PP above fight the battle for the narrative. Accepting that the data was suspect would take away from their touted achievement of seating the most economically diverse class in the history of the school. Noble intent but botched implementation but the political class will take whatever credit they can take- even if it is highly suspect.

For the record, parents have followed up with individual schools where they have access to real school staff - and the staff has confirmed that they have no access to any income data for enrolled families. So there is that.


This was already debunked. THey have the info for anyone who attends public.


Nope they don’t. You are confusing family income data for family demographic data. They have demographic data - you are right. They don’t have any income data to override the response to the FARMS question in the TJ Application.


You're missing the point on purpose. They actually do have exactly which public school students are receiving free meals and the rumor that this was being abused spread by the C4TJ conspiracy theoriests was debunked.


The school board has not stated this anywhere. In fact it has been independently established that there is no basis to the false claim you are propagating. A simple link to an official document could support your position. There is none because your position is all fiction. Again - show us the official document or back off your falsehood.
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I agree it won't be easy for this kid and could drop out of TJ within 1 or 2 months. Last year there were 18 kids who dropped out and actual TJ class of 2025 was 529 not 550 because 9 of them took offer but later went to base school so didn't even start at TJ. It is better to realize early than let a kid go to TJ because it sounds cool and let him struggle and then dropout. I would suggest this parent to go to the TJ info session tomorrow and have a serious discussion with teachers and current students and then decide


529 (class size) +9 (dropped out after accepting)=538. What happened to the remaining 12 spots? Did they reduce the class size?


Throughout the whole school year, 21 freshmen have dropped out.


Nope.

Class of 2025 - 9 didn't start in Sept and 13 dropped out through April, bringing total loss to 22 (4% of admitted class)

Class of 2024 - 8 dropped out this year, bringing total loss to 44 (9% of admitted class)

Class of 2023 - 1 dropped out this year, bringing total loss to 44 (8.7% of admitted class)

Class of 2022 - 0 dropped out this year, bringing total loss to 34 (7% of admitted class)

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Anonymous wrote:TJ has to save those students, otherwise it is announcing the failure of their ridiculous admission reform.


DC tells me it's the same this year as any other year. I t think this is just C4TJ propaganda like their free meals hoax.


You show up again!

Tell us what data FCPS have to override the FARMS question in the application.

Put up or shut up.

Repeating a lie without evidence does not make it the truth. Unless you subscribe to Trumpian approach. But nothing is beyond you

So what data does FCPS have on applicants’ income. Tell us.


Oh no. Are you afraid you’re going to get caught lying?


I repeat

Please tell us what information does FCPS have to override the response to the FARMS question in the application.

Deal in facts, please not hyperbole.



I am a DP and I repeat.

Oh no. Are you afraid you’re going to get caught lying?

You seem very invested in whether they can verify low-income or not.

Why are you afraid of a valid question? The worst part of the application process is its lack of transparency. Just like college admissions…basically a holistic approach means we admit who the hell we fell like it within the weak parameters


I’ll take that as a yes.

Shouldn’t have lied.


DP, but at least for me, it's a different concern. Our child answered no to both questions and we fear that they were at a disadvantage by failing to earn experience points which many well-off families earned by answering yes. We have not been given any assurances that the TJ admissions office has done any verification of FARMS status, and it is thus reasonable to believe that they may have awarded experience points to anyone who answered yes without any verification.


Anyone try asking the board whether they verify they meal answers?



They don’t want to answer. They let their minions like the PP above fight the battle for the narrative. Accepting that the data was suspect would take away from their touted achievement of seating the most economically diverse class in the history of the school. Noble intent but botched implementation but the political class will take whatever credit they can take- even if it is highly suspect.

For the record, parents have followed up with individual schools where they have access to real school staff - and the staff has confirmed that they have no access to any income data for enrolled families. So there is that.


This was already debunked. THey have the info for anyone who attends public.


Nope they don’t. You are confusing family income data for family demographic data. They have demographic data - you are right. They don’t have any income data to override the response to the FARMS question in the TJ Application.


You're missing the point on purpose. They actually do have exactly which public school students are receiving free meals and the rumor that this was being abused spread by the C4TJ conspiracy theoriests was debunked.


The school board has not stated this anywhere. In fact it has been independently established that there is no basis to the false claim you are propagating. A simple link to an official document could support your position. There is none because your position is all fiction. Again - show us the official document or back off your falsehood.


Or, you know, YOU could provide supporting documentation - not a phone call - that suggests that the number 1 high school in the country has an admissions office that is relying on a checked box on an application to allot hundreds of points in a weighted process.

Rather than, you know, understanding that schools have been collecting this information for decades to determine who qualifies for free and reduced lunch.

And if your question is "well, then why offer the opportunity to check the box?" I would refer you to the fact that in FCPS, the minute you pop in your student ID number they could essentially pre-fill the rest of your initial application for you. You select your race and ethnicity, but they know that already.
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Anonymous wrote:TJ has to save those students, otherwise it is announcing the failure of their ridiculous admission reform.


DC tells me it's the same this year as any other year. I t think this is just C4TJ propaganda like their free meals hoax.


You show up again!

Tell us what data FCPS have to override the FARMS question in the application.

Put up or shut up.

Repeating a lie without evidence does not make it the truth. Unless you subscribe to Trumpian approach. But nothing is beyond you

So what data does FCPS have on applicants’ income. Tell us.


Oh no. Are you afraid you’re going to get caught lying?


I repeat

Please tell us what information does FCPS have to override the response to the FARMS question in the application.

Deal in facts, please not hyperbole.



I am a DP and I repeat.

Oh no. Are you afraid you’re going to get caught lying?

You seem very invested in whether they can verify low-income or not.

Why are you afraid of a valid question? The worst part of the application process is its lack of transparency. Just like college admissions…basically a holistic approach means we admit who the hell we fell like it within the weak parameters


I’ll take that as a yes.

Shouldn’t have lied.


DP, but at least for me, it's a different concern. Our child answered no to both questions and we fear that they were at a disadvantage by failing to earn experience points which many well-off families earned by answering yes. We have not been given any assurances that the TJ admissions office has done any verification of FARMS status, and it is thus reasonable to believe that they may have awarded experience points to anyone who answered yes without any verification.


Anyone try asking the board whether they verify they meal answers?



They don’t want to answer. They let their minions like the PP above fight the battle for the narrative. Accepting that the data was suspect would take away from their touted achievement of seating the most economically diverse class in the history of the school. Noble intent but botched implementation but the political class will take whatever credit they can take- even if it is highly suspect.

For the record, parents have followed up with individual schools where they have access to real school staff - and the staff has confirmed that they have no access to any income data for enrolled families. So there is that.


This was already debunked. THey have the info for anyone who attends public.


Nope they don’t. You are confusing family income data for family demographic data. They have demographic data - you are right. They don’t have any income data to override the response to the FARMS question in the TJ Application.


You're missing the point on purpose. They actually do have exactly which public school students are receiving free meals and the rumor that this was being abused spread by the C4TJ conspiracy theoriests was debunked.


The school board has not stated this anywhere. In fact it has been independently established that there is no basis to the false claim you are propagating. A simple link to an official document could support your position. There is none because your position is all fiction. Again - show us the official document or back off your falsehood.


Or, you know, YOU could provide supporting documentation - not a phone call - that suggests that the number 1 high school in the country has an admissions office that is relying on a checked box on an application to allot hundreds of points in a weighted process.

Rather than, you know, understanding that schools have been collecting this information for decades to determine who qualifies for free and reduced lunch.

And if your question is "well, then why offer the opportunity to check the box?" I would refer you to the fact that in FCPS, the minute you pop in your student ID number they could essentially pre-fill the rest of your initial application for you. You select your race and ethnicity, but they know that already.


On the TJ admissions form race/ethnicity was already pre-populated.
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Anonymous wrote:TJ has to save those students, otherwise it is announcing the failure of their ridiculous admission reform.


DC tells me it's the same this year as any other year. I t think this is just C4TJ propaganda like their free meals hoax.


You show up again!

Tell us what data FCPS have to override the FARMS question in the application.

Put up or shut up.

Repeating a lie without evidence does not make it the truth. Unless you subscribe to Trumpian approach. But nothing is beyond you

So what data does FCPS have on applicants’ income. Tell us.


Oh no. Are you afraid you’re going to get caught lying?


I repeat

Please tell us what information does FCPS have to override the response to the FARMS question in the application.

Deal in facts, please not hyperbole.



I am a DP and I repeat.

Oh no. Are you afraid you’re going to get caught lying?

You seem very invested in whether they can verify low-income or not.

Why are you afraid of a valid question? The worst part of the application process is its lack of transparency. Just like college admissions…basically a holistic approach means we admit who the hell we fell like it within the weak parameters


I’ll take that as a yes.

Shouldn’t have lied.


DP, but at least for me, it's a different concern. Our child answered no to both questions and we fear that they were at a disadvantage by failing to earn experience points which many well-off families earned by answering yes. We have not been given any assurances that the TJ admissions office has done any verification of FARMS status, and it is thus reasonable to believe that they may have awarded experience points to anyone who answered yes without any verification.


Anyone try asking the board whether they verify they meal answers?



They don’t want to answer. They let their minions like the PP above fight the battle for the narrative. Accepting that the data was suspect would take away from their touted achievement of seating the most economically diverse class in the history of the school. Noble intent but botched implementation but the political class will take whatever credit they can take- even if it is highly suspect.

For the record, parents have followed up with individual schools where they have access to real school staff - and the staff has confirmed that they have no access to any income data for enrolled families. So there is that.


This was already debunked. THey have the info for anyone who attends public.


Nope they don’t. You are confusing family income data for family demographic data. They have demographic data - you are right. They don’t have any income data to override the response to the FARMS question in the TJ Application.


You're missing the point on purpose. They actually do have exactly which public school students are receiving free meals and the rumor that this was being abused spread by the C4TJ conspiracy theoriests was debunked.


The school board has not stated this anywhere. In fact it has been independently established that there is no basis to the false claim you are propagating. A simple link to an official document could support your position. There is none because your position is all fiction. Again - show us the official document or back off your falsehood.


Or, you know, YOU could provide supporting documentation - not a phone call - that suggests that the number 1 high school in the country has an admissions office that is relying on a checked box on an application to allot hundreds of points in a weighted process.

Rather than, you know, understanding that schools have been collecting this information for decades to determine who qualifies for free and reduced lunch.

And if your question is "well, then why offer the opportunity to check the box?" I would refer you to the fact that in FCPS, the minute you pop in your student ID number they could essentially pre-fill the rest of your initial application for you. You select your race and ethnicity, but they know that already.


You miss an important point. COVID upended many lives and any historical data is meaningless and overridden by current information.

Even otherwise income/poverty is a dynamic variable unlike race. So if you checked white in kindergarten, you remain white forever in FCPS records. But you may be rich in kindergarten and homeless when you enter high school. So, no - historical data means little for poverty and even less so during the Pandemic.
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To make it fair, the admission points calculation should be more transparent.
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I agree it won't be easy for this kid and could drop out of TJ within 1 or 2 months. Last year there were 18 kids who dropped out and actual TJ class of 2025 was 529 not 550 because 9 of them took offer but later went to base school so didn't even start at TJ. It is better to realize early than let a kid go to TJ because it sounds cool and let him struggle and then dropout. I would suggest this parent to go to the TJ info session tomorrow and have a serious discussion with teachers and current students and then decide


529 (class size) +9 (dropped out after accepting)=538. What happened to the remaining 12 spots? Did they reduce the class size?


Throughout the whole school year, 21 freshmen have dropped out.


Thanks.

I created the “number of TJ drop outs” thread earlier this year.

My thread was based on a claim from another parent: 50 kids had dropped out of TJ.

If 21 freshmen alone dropped out of TJ this school year, it appears more plausible a total of 50 students may have dropped out from all grades.
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