I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

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Registration and voting and vote counting are different actions. States set their own requirements. Some states intentionally try to make it hard for blacks, Hispanics, and college students to register, to vote, and to have their votes counted. It’s always been that way. It’s what conservative state and local governments do. Every one of them.

So, it's not okay to require proof of residency and citizenship to register in Red states? That is what you are saying. Sorry, but the Dem bill is not sufficient. It allows a "work around" which eliminates the need for proof.

Uh, everyone has to have proof of residency to vote in an election. There is a difference between showing that proof to be on the voter rolls, and having an ID card when you show up to vote.

I am in DC and when I went to vote - nobody asked me for any ID. Total lie on your part. Heaven forbids we protect voting by requiring IDs! No integrity.

+1. I OFFERED my ID in DC and the person told me immediately to put it away. They didn't want it ever to look like someone was showing ID in a voting place. Can you imagine?

Thank you, Senator Sinema. You have just saved the country.

And yet, we don't experience fraud.

I doubt that. And unless you have evidence to back up your “there is never any fraud” I call BS. Now - before you go there - I don’t believe in 2020 stolen arguments - garbage at its lowest. But I don’t doubt there is fraud.

I work for a center right think tank that studies elections. There's very little fraud.

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Look at this, for example. The sole goal here is to make voting more difficult. Not because there’s fraud. Just because they don’t want Democrats to vote and win.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at this, for example. The sole goal here is to make voting more difficult. Not because there’s fraud. Just because they don’t want Democrats to vote and win.

And absentee ballot drop boxes are something that only Democrats use because… ?

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Anonymous wrote:If ever we needed proof that there are no moderate Republicans, this bill proves it, as do all the lame cons on this thread gloating that Republicans will get to cheat.

How exactly are Republicans trying to “cheat?” Because they want ID for voting?

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dems tried to send one the other way and require vaccination for voting. That seems the way things are headed

Republicans are not concerned about fraud. They are committing fraud. Everything they propose is intended to discriminate against minority and/or young voters either directly by creating barriers or indirectly by giving local officials discretionary authority knowing the Republican officials will use it to discriminate and rig elections. You know this is true. Everyone knows this is true. They have admitted repeatedly that this is all about partisan advantage and nothing else. They are afraid of free and fair elections.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at this, for example. The sole goal here is to make voting more difficult. Not because there’s fraud. Just because they don’t want Democrats to vote and win.

And absentee ballot drop boxes are something that only Democrats use because… ?

Not Democrats only, but more Democrats were voting early and by mail so Republicans went to Republican judges to shut it down. Too many Democrats were voting and Republicans can’t allow that.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at this, for example. The sole goal here is to make voting more difficult. Not because there’s fraud. Just because they don’t want Democrats to vote and win.

And absentee ballot drop boxes are something that only Democrats use because… ?

Not Democrats only, but more Democrats were voting early and by mail so Republicans went to Republican judges to shut it down. Too many Democrats were voting and Republicans can’t allow that.

And how will this prevent them from voting? Will they just not vote if they can’t vote early or by mail? I think that this will go a long way towards securing elections.

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Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

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Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

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Both sides are needlessly overplaying voting issues. There's a lack of data to justify what the Rs are doing and what the Ds are doing. The country is being torn apart in the process.

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Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

People should be coming out of the woodwork with stories of the difficulties they endure trying and failing to get ID. Would the media not be interested in interviews. It’s so common and pervasive we all probably know at least someone incapable of obtaining documentation from the government.

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Anonymous wrote:Both sides are needlessly overplaying voting issues. There's a lack of data to justify what the Rs are doing and what the Ds are doing. The country is being torn apart in the process.

I’m asking for a few examples. Out of millions of people. I don’t think the Rs are really that concerned about the 723 (made up #) people with legitimate reasons whose voice will be lost. That sucks but I wouldn’t say the Rs are “overplaying voting issues”, “needlessly” or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

People should be coming out of the woodwork with stories of the difficulties they endure trying and failing to get ID. Would the media not be interested in interviews. It’s so common and pervasive we all probably know at least someone incapable of obtaining documentation from the government.

Oops, should have used a ?

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Manchin and Sinema met with Biden tonight.

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Anonymous wrote:Both sides are needlessly overplaying voting issues. There's a lack of data to justify what the Rs are doing and what the Ds are doing. The country is being torn apart in the process.

Scummy.

Once again, look at what Republicans are doing. Look at the laws they have passed that will allow the to overturn elections they lose. Defend it. No one is overplaying this. They would have absolutely overturned the two Democratic senate wins in 2020. And here you are, defending it.

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Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“Holloway, a 58-year-old African-American man, moved from Illinois to Wisconsin in 2008 and voted without problems, until Wisconsin passed its voter-ID law in 2011. “I never miss voting,” he said. He brought his expired Illinois photo ID, birth certificate, and Social Security card to get a photo ID for voting, but the DMV in Milwaukee rejected his application because the name on his birth certificate read “Eddie Junior Holloway,” the result of a clerical error when it was issued.

Holloway, who worked as a cook in Illinois but is now unemployed and disabled, living with his family in Milwaukee, got a ride downtown to the Vital Records System to try to fix his birth certificate. Vital Records said it would cost between $400 and $600, which Holloway could not afford.”
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/a-black-man-brought-3-forms-of-id-to-the-polls-in-wisconsin-he-still-couldnt-vote/tnamp/