I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

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Registration and voting and vote counting are different actions. States set their own requirements. Some states intentionally try to make it hard for blacks, Hispanics, and college students to register, to vote, and to have their votes counted. It’s always been that way. It’s what conservative state and local governments do. Every one of them.

So, it's not okay to require proof of residency and citizenship to register in Red states? That is what you are saying. Sorry, but the Dem bill is not sufficient. It allows a "work around" which eliminates the need for proof.

Uh, everyone has to have proof of residency to vote in an election. There is a difference between showing that proof to be on the voter rolls, and having an ID card when you show up to vote.

I am in DC and when I went to vote - nobody asked me for any ID. Total lie on your part. Heaven forbids we protect voting by requiring IDs! No integrity.

+1. I OFFERED my ID in DC and the person told me immediately to put it away. They didn't want it ever to look like someone was showing ID in a voting place. Can you imagine?

Thank you, Senator Sinema. You have just saved the country.

And yet, we don't experience fraud.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, the Republican propaganda machine has really kicked in to overdrive for the last half dozen or so posts.

Actually, they are reasonable questions and concerns. Also, many of these items aren't even a federal power.

There are all sorts of things Trump did that weren't in federal power yet you didn't give a lick about it then, first, and second, standardizing the types of IDs one can use to gain the ability to vote should be a good thing. Why do you think it is ok for gun licenses but not state issued student IDs?

Because a student ID doesn't establish proof of residency. If you go to college out of state, you aren't necessarily a resident of that state.

if you are going to college in that state, then you are living there, and thus a resident. Do you hear yourself?

Completely wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, the Republican propaganda machine has really kicked in to overdrive for the last half dozen or so posts.

Actually, they are reasonable questions and concerns. Also, many of these items aren't even a federal power.

There are all sorts of things Trump did that weren't in federal power yet you didn't give a lick about it then, first, and second, standardizing the types of IDs one can use to gain the ability to vote should be a good thing. Why do you think it is ok for gun licenses but not state issued student IDs?

Because a student ID doesn't establish proof of residency. If you go to college out of state, you aren't necessarily a resident of that state.

if you are going to college in that state, then you are living there, and thus a resident. Do you hear yourself?

Completely wrong.

Both of you are wrong. It depends completely on the state. One thing that the John Lewis bill does is standardize the ID options.

[Anonymous]

We can end this thread. Voting Rights is not happening. No change to the filibuster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We can end this thread. Voting Rights is not happening. No change to the filibuster.

But... that's not what this thread is about?

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Registration and voting and vote counting are different actions. States set their own requirements. Some states intentionally try to make it hard for blacks, Hispanics, and college students to register, to vote, and to have their votes counted. It’s always been that way. It’s what conservative state and local governments do. Every one of them.

So, it's not okay to require proof of residency and citizenship to register in Red states? That is what you are saying. Sorry, but the Dem bill is not sufficient. It allows a "work around" which eliminates the need for proof.

Uh, everyone has to have proof of residency to vote in an election. There is a difference between showing that proof to be on the voter rolls, and having an ID card when you show up to vote.

I am in DC and when I went to vote - nobody asked me for any ID. Total lie on your part. Heaven forbids we protect voting by requiring IDs! No integrity.

+1. I OFFERED my ID in DC and the person told me immediately to put it away. They didn't want it ever to look like someone was showing ID in a voting place. Can you imagine?

Thank you, Senator Sinema. You have just saved the country.

And yet, we don't experience fraud.

I doubt that. And unless you have evidence to back up your “there is never any fraud” I call BS. Now - before you go there - I don’t believe in 2020 stolen arguments - garbage at its lowest. But I don’t doubt there is fraud.

[Anonymous]

Sure there's fraud. But not in any big meaningful way that would alter the outcome of elections. And, the fraud typically gets caught.

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Almost all election fraud is committed by partisan election officials who suppress legal votes from certain types of voters. They look for any excuse to remove voters from the rolls in certain precincts but not others, to reject ballots in certain precincts but not others, and to ensure that certain precincts but not others have fewer machines, fewer parking spaces, and longer lines. They are trained and coached how to do it and get away with it.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Registration and voting and vote counting are different actions. States set their own requirements. Some states intentionally try to make it hard for blacks, Hispanics, and college students to register, to vote, and to have their votes counted. It’s always been that way. It’s what conservative state and local governments do. Every one of them.

So, it's not okay to require proof of residency and citizenship to register in Red states? That is what you are saying. Sorry, but the Dem bill is not sufficient. It allows a "work around" which eliminates the need for proof.

Uh, everyone has to have proof of residency to vote in an election. There is a difference between showing that proof to be on the voter rolls, and having an ID card when you show up to vote.

I am in DC and when I went to vote - nobody asked me for any ID. Total lie on your part. Heaven forbids we protect voting by requiring IDs! No integrity.

+1. I OFFERED my ID in DC and the person told me immediately to put it away. They didn't want it ever to look like someone was showing ID in a voting place. Can you imagine?

Thank you, Senator Sinema. You have just saved the country.

Oh no. Never. Never a shred of fraud anywhere. It’s all just perfect

And yet, we don't experience fraud.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Registration and voting and vote counting are different actions. States set their own requirements. Some states intentionally try to make it hard for blacks, Hispanics, and college students to register, to vote, and to have their votes counted. It’s always been that way. It’s what conservative state and local governments do. Every one of them.

So, it's not okay to require proof of residency and citizenship to register in Red states? That is what you are saying. Sorry, but the Dem bill is not sufficient. It allows a "work around" which eliminates the need for proof.

Uh, everyone has to have proof of residency to vote in an election. There is a difference between showing that proof to be on the voter rolls, and having an ID card when you show up to vote.

I am in DC and when I went to vote - nobody asked me for any ID. Total lie on your part. Heaven forbids we protect voting by requiring IDs! No integrity.

+1. I OFFERED my ID in DC and the person told me immediately to put it away. They didn't want it ever to look like someone was showing ID in a voting place. Can you imagine?

Thank you, Senator Sinema. You have just saved the country.

And yet, we don't experience fraud.

I doubt that. And unless you have evidence to back up your “there is never any fraud” I call BS. Now - before you go there - I don’t believe in 2020 stolen arguments - garbage at its lowest. But I don’t doubt there is fraud.

Post election audits show a 99%+ accuracy rate. So ya, there is basically no fraud regardless of whether you doubt it or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Registration and voting and vote counting are different actions. States set their own requirements. Some states intentionally try to make it hard for blacks, Hispanics, and college students to register, to vote, and to have their votes counted. It’s always been that way. It’s what conservative state and local governments do. Every one of them.

So, it's not okay to require proof of residency and citizenship to register in Red states? That is what you are saying. Sorry, but the Dem bill is not sufficient. It allows a "work around" which eliminates the need for proof.

Uh, everyone has to have proof of residency to vote in an election. There is a difference between showing that proof to be on the voter rolls, and having an ID card when you show up to vote.

I am in DC and when I went to vote - nobody asked me for any ID. Total lie on your part. Heaven forbids we protect voting by requiring IDs! No integrity.

+1. I OFFERED my ID in DC and the person told me immediately to put it away. They didn't want it ever to look like someone was showing ID in a voting place. Can you imagine?

Thank you, Senator Sinema. You have just saved the country.

And yet, we don't experience fraud.

I doubt that. And unless you have evidence to back up your “there is never any fraud” I call BS. Now - before you go there - I don’t believe in 2020 stolen arguments - garbage at its lowest. But I don’t doubt there is fraud.

Post election audits show a 99%+ accuracy rate. So ya, there is basically no fraud regardless of whether you doubt it or not.

“ya” - I guess I missed audit reports of every US jurisdiction. ya!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Welp, Senator Sinema just killed this bill and thus any chance of free and fair elections in 2022 and 2024.

We will slip into a GOP tyanny of the Minority Autocracy if the GOP wins the House in 2022.

Pin this post, I would be more than happy to be proven wrong.

You mean this GOP paid hack?

[Anonymous]

If ever we needed proof that there are no moderate Republicans, this bill proves it, as do all the lame cons on this thread gloating that Republicans will get to cheat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Registration and voting and vote counting are different actions. States set their own requirements. Some states intentionally try to make it hard for blacks, Hispanics, and college students to register, to vote, and to have their votes counted. It’s always been that way. It’s what conservative state and local governments do. Every one of them.

So, it's not okay to require proof of residency and citizenship to register in Red states? That is what you are saying. Sorry, but the Dem bill is not sufficient. It allows a "work around" which eliminates the need for proof.

Uh, everyone has to have proof of residency to vote in an election. There is a difference between showing that proof to be on the voter rolls, and having an ID card when you show up to vote.

I am in DC and when I went to vote - nobody asked me for any ID. Total lie on your part. Heaven forbids we protect voting by requiring IDs! No integrity.

+1. I OFFERED my ID in DC and the person told me immediately to put it away. They didn't want it ever to look like someone was showing ID in a voting place. Can you imagine?

Thank you, Senator Sinema. You have just saved the country.

And yet, we don't experience fraud.

I doubt that. And unless you have evidence to back up your “there is never any fraud” I call BS. Now - before you go there - I don’t believe in 2020 stolen arguments - garbage at its lowest. But I don’t doubt there is fraud.

Show us a single election where fraud changed the outcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If ever we needed proof that there are no moderate Republicans, this bill proves it, as do all the lame cons on this thread gloating that Republicans will get to cheat.

How exactly are Republicans trying to “cheat?” Because they want ID for voting?

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dems tried to send one the other way and require vaccination for voting. That seems the way things are headed