Barnard is Barnard, not Columbia!!!

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Anonymous wrote:What no one is talking about is that there are good reasons to want a Columbia University education but not want to attend Columbia College with its highly structured and highly restrictive core curriculum. Women at Columbia have a choice. Barnard has distribution requirements but students can choose from hundreds of courses to fulfill those requirements. Barnard women can choose a major at Columbia. They can choose electives. So, why is such a student unable to claim a Columbia University as though she spent 4 years exclusively on a campus across the street, only viewing Columbia from afar? Perhaps listing Columbia on her resume best represents her undergraduate experience even if that meets the disapproval of watchful eyes on this forum.

Perhaps some find it simpler when asked to list their college to simply say Columbia - one word rather than the mouthful “Barnard College of .Columbia University”, which would then invite the inevitable questions to explain. Students at NYU have the choice of listing Stern or Tisch if either was their undergraduate college, or they can simply say NYU if they prefer. Depending on her preference, a Barnard graduate has the same choice of legitimate answers.

Core curriculum is the trademark of Columbia education. I always found women who try to say they are Columbia grads when they are Barnard grads misleading. insecure. Barnard is a different school with different admissions criteria. Symbiotic relationship with Columbia, but not the same as Columbia. It's own deans and it's own administration. I am a Columbia grad ( engineering). Mm y sister is a Barnard grad. She doesn't misrepresent herself even though her major (CS) was through Columbia department because Barnard doesn't have it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What no one is talking about is that there are good reasons to want a Columbia University education but not want to attend Columbia College with its highly structured and highly restrictive core curriculum. Women at Columbia have a choice. Barnard has distribution requirements but students can choose from hundreds of courses to fulfill those requirements. Barnard women can choose a major at Columbia. They can choose electives. So, why is such a student unable to claim a Columbia University as though she spent 4 years exclusively on a campus across the street, only viewing Columbia from afar? Perhaps listing Columbia on her resume best represents her undergraduate experience even if that meets the disapproval of watchful eyes on this forum.

Perhaps some find it simpler when asked to list their college to simply say Columbia - one word rather than the mouthful “Barnard College of .Columbia University”, which would then invite the inevitable questions to explain. Students at NYU have the choice of listing Stern or Tisch if either was their undergraduate college, or they can simply say NYU if they prefer. Depending on her preference, a Barnard graduate has the same choice of legitimate answers.

Core curriculum is the trademark of Columbia education. I always found women who try to say they are Columbia grads when they are Barnard grads misleading. insecure. Barnard is a different school with different admissions criteria. Symbiotic relationship with Columbia, but not the same as Columbia. It's own deans and it's own administration. I am a Columbia grad ( engineering). Mm y sister is a Barnard grad. She doesn't misrepresent herself even though her major (CS) was through Columbia department because Barnard doesn't have it.

Honestly, this Columbia joint sounds dysfunctional.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia says it has 3 undergraduate schools.

- from their website.

This is not true. The Columbia University website lists 21 undergraduate and graduate schools, one of which is Barnard.

http://www.columbia.edu/content/academics/schools

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Anonymous wrote:What no one is talking about is that there are good reasons to want a Columbia University education but not want to attend Columbia College with its highly structured and highly restrictive core curriculum. Women at Columbia have a choice. Barnard has distribution requirements but students can choose from hundreds of courses to fulfill those requirements. Barnard women can choose a major at Columbia. They can choose electives. So, why is such a student unable to claim a Columbia University as though she spent 4 years exclusively on a campus across the street, only viewing Columbia from afar? Perhaps listing Columbia on her resume best represents her undergraduate experience even if that meets the disapproval of watchful eyes on this forum.

Perhaps some find it simpler when asked to list their college to simply say Columbia - one word rather than the mouthful “Barnard College of .Columbia University”, which would then invite the inevitable questions to explain. Students at NYU have the choice of listing Stern or Tisch if either was their undergraduate college, or they can simply say NYU if they prefer. Depending on her preference, a Barnard graduate has the same choice of legitimate answers.

Core curriculum is the trademark of Columbia education. I always found women who try to say they are Columbia grads when they are Barnard grads misleading. insecure. Barnard is a different school with different admissions criteria. Symbiotic relationship with Columbia, but not the same as Columbia. It's own deans and it's own administration. I am a Columbia grad ( engineering). Mm y sister is a Barnard grad. She doesn't misrepresent herself even though her major (CS) was through Columbia department because Barnard doesn't have it.

You seem to be confused. Look at your sister’s degree. It clearly says that it’s from Columbia University. It’s signed by the president of Columbia. You’re the one who is doing the misrepresenting.

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Anonymous wrote:What no one is talking about is that there are good reasons to want a Columbia University education but not want to attend Columbia College with its highly structured and highly restrictive core curriculum. Women at Columbia have a choice. Barnard has distribution requirements but students can choose from hundreds of courses to fulfill those requirements. Barnard women can choose a major at Columbia. They can choose electives. So, why is such a student unable to claim a Columbia University as though she spent 4 years exclusively on a campus across the street, only viewing Columbia from afar? Perhaps listing Columbia on her resume best represents her undergraduate experience even if that meets the disapproval of watchful eyes on this forum.

Perhaps some find it simpler when asked to list their college to simply say Columbia - one word rather than the mouthful “Barnard College of .Columbia University”, which would then invite the inevitable questions to explain. Students at NYU have the choice of listing Stern or Tisch if either was their undergraduate college, or they can simply say NYU if they prefer. Depending on her preference, a Barnard graduate has the same choice of legitimate answers.

Core curriculum is the trademark of Columbia education. I always found women who try to say they are Columbia grads when they are Barnard grads misleading. insecure. Barnard is a different school with different admissions criteria. Symbiotic relationship with Columbia, but not the same as Columbia. It's own deans and it's own administration. I am a Columbia grad ( engineering). Mm y sister is a Barnard grad. She doesn't misrepresent herself even though her major (CS) was through Columbia department because Barnard doesn't have it.

You seem to be confused. Look at your sister’s degree. It clearly says that it’s from Columbia University. It’s signed by the president of Columbia. You’re the one who is doing the misrepresenting.

This. It actually says Columbia University, Barnard College.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia says it has 3 undergraduate schools.

- from their website.

This is not true. The Columbia University website lists 21 undergraduate and graduate schools, one of which is Barnard.

http://www.columbia.edu/content/academics/schools

This...posted that earlier. Backdoor, side door, whatever, it is a degree from Columbia University which is Ivy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I honestly don't think Columbia has the brand power or name rec to really matter all that much in a job hunt or headhunter situation. Harvard college vs. some dipsh*t weirdo fraud from some extension school scam program... yes, a big deal. Barnard to Columbia... like what hypothetical job do you think anyone is tripping over themselves to give to a Columbia grad? All the premier Wall Street jobs are given to kids at 20 and 21 years old, it's not really something you randomly segue into later in life.

Maybe in New York City? But if you're in or near NYC people are far more likely to sniff out your misrepresentation. The further you are from NYC, the less likely anyone will ever know the diff between Barnard and Columbia... but frankly, also less likely anyone gives a damn you went to Columbia.

This is a fair assessment. Columbia's is a fine school but the brand is not at a level that merits the find distinctions OP wants--especially when BAs from both schools get the same diploma.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don't think Columbia has the brand power or name rec to really matter all that much in a job hunt or headhunter situation. Harvard college vs. some dipsh*t weirdo fraud from some extension school scam program... yes, a big deal. Barnard to Columbia... like what hypothetical job do you think anyone is tripping over themselves to give to a Columbia grad? All the premier Wall Street jobs are given to kids at 20 and 21 years old, it's not really something you randomly segue into later in life.

Maybe in New York City? But if you're in or near NYC people are far more likely to sniff out your misrepresentation. The further you are from NYC, the less likely anyone will ever know the diff between Barnard and Columbia... but frankly, also less likely anyone gives a damn you went to Columbia.

This is a fair assessment. Columbia's is a fine school but the brand is not at a level that merits the find distinctions OP wants--especially when BAs from both schools get the same diploma.

What a bizarre post. Columbia is #3 in another thread here on YLS's feeder schools. Yale, Harvard, Columbia, Princeton... That's no fluke. It's also one of the top feeder schools to Wall Street and Silicon Valley.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don't think Columbia has the brand power or name rec to really matter all that much in a job hunt or headhunter situation. Harvard college vs. some dipsh*t weirdo fraud from some extension school scam program... yes, a big deal. Barnard to Columbia... like what hypothetical job do you think anyone is tripping over themselves to give to a Columbia grad? All the premier Wall Street jobs are given to kids at 20 and 21 years old, it's not really something you randomly segue into later in life.

Maybe in New York City? But if you're in or near NYC people are far more likely to sniff out your misrepresentation. The further you are from NYC, the less likely anyone will ever know the diff between Barnard and Columbia... but frankly, also less likely anyone gives a damn you went to Columbia.

This is a fair assessment. Columbia's is a fine school but the brand is not at a level that merits the find distinctions OP wants--especially when BAs from both schools get the same diploma.

What a bizarre post. Columbia is #3 in another thread here on YLS's feeder schools. Yale, Harvard, Columbia, Princeton... That's no fluke. It's also one of the top feeder schools to Wall Street and Silicon Valley.

Did you read the post the PP said was fair? It said Columbia's brand is stronger in NYC. The further away you get from NYC, the weaker the brand and the importance of distinctions. Same goes for NYU.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don't think Columbia has the brand power or name rec to really matter all that much in a job hunt or headhunter situation. Harvard college vs. some dipsh*t weirdo fraud from some extension school scam program... yes, a big deal. Barnard to Columbia... like what hypothetical job do you think anyone is tripping over themselves to give to a Columbia grad? All the premier Wall Street jobs are given to kids at 20 and 21 years old, it's not really something you randomly segue into later in life.

Maybe in New York City? But if you're in or near NYC people are far more likely to sniff out your misrepresentation. The further you are from NYC, the less likely anyone will ever know the diff between Barnard and Columbia... but frankly, also less likely anyone gives a damn you went to Columbia.

This is a fair assessment. Columbia's is a fine school but the brand is not at a level that merits the find distinctions OP wants--especially when BAs from both schools get the same diploma.

What a bizarre post. Columbia is #3 in another thread here on YLS's feeder schools. Yale, Harvard, Columbia, Princeton... That's no fluke. It's also one of the top feeder schools to Wall Street and Silicon Valley.

Did you read the post the PP said was fair? It said Columbia's brand is stronger in NYC. The further away you get from NYC, the weaker the brand and the importance of distinctions. Same goes for NYU.

As someone who originally comes from outside the US, I can say PP's opinion is only out of their imagination on Columbia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don't think Columbia has the brand power or name rec to really matter all that much in a job hunt or headhunter situation. Harvard college vs. some dipsh*t weirdo fraud from some extension school scam program... yes, a big deal. Barnard to Columbia... like what hypothetical job do you think anyone is tripping over themselves to give to a Columbia grad? All the premier Wall Street jobs are given to kids at 20 and 21 years old, it's not really something you randomly segue into later in life.

Maybe in New York City? But if you're in or near NYC people are far more likely to sniff out your misrepresentation. The further you are from NYC, the less likely anyone will ever know the diff between Barnard and Columbia... but frankly, also less likely anyone gives a damn you went to Columbia.

This is a fair assessment. Columbia's is a fine school but the brand is not at a level that merits the find distinctions OP wants--especially when BAs from both schools get the same diploma.

"especially when BAs from both schools get the same diploma" -- this only comes from Barnard graduates and Barnard parents.

[Anonymous]

If you want to Columbia, you understand. If you went to Barnard, you understand. If you didn’t go to either and you are weighing in, you have a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a bit of a back door situation, isn’t it? They should just purchase another campus and sever formal ties to the university. After all, Barnardians proudly proclaim that they wanted to attend Barnard, not Columbia!

And yea, everyone finds the intentional obfuscation of the Barnard name on the part of Barnard students/grads shady. Just say Barnard.

Omg, yes, this. Well said.

Who exactly do you think this is misleading? The people who really know what Columbia is are going to know what Barnard is. So if you get into a conversation, they're going to be able to tease the Barnard out rather quickly, and you're going to embarrass yourself. And the other...99.99% of the population simply could not care less either way. Even the real Columbia does not ooze prestige to laymen.

I don't think this is true.

We've gone over this already. HYPS and MIT. That's all laymen give a sh*t about. Nobody is in awe of a Columbia bachelors.

People who say they aren't impressed by CU are the same people on the other threads asking how their kids can get into UMBC, Towson, Morgan...

Hey, CU is for University of Colorado. We are very proud of CU. Make your own label for your school.

Haha I thought the same thing. Go buffs!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What no one is talking about is that there are good reasons to want a Columbia University education but not want to attend Columbia College with its highly structured and highly restrictive core curriculum. Women at Columbia have a choice. Barnard has distribution requirements but students can choose from hundreds of courses to fulfill those requirements. Barnard women can choose a major at Columbia. They can choose electives. So, why is such a student unable to claim a Columbia University as though she spent 4 years exclusively on a campus across the street, only viewing Columbia from afar? Perhaps listing Columbia on her resume best represents her undergraduate experience even if that meets the disapproval of watchful eyes on this forum.

Perhaps some find it simpler when asked to list their college to simply say Columbia - one word rather than the mouthful “Barnard College of .Columbia University”, which would then invite the inevitable questions to explain. Students at NYU have the choice of listing Stern or Tisch if either was their undergraduate college, or they can simply say NYU if they prefer. Depending on her preference, a Barnard graduate has the same choice of legitimate answers.

Core curriculum is the trademark of Columbia education. I always found women who try to say they are Columbia grads when they are Barnard grads misleading. insecure. Barnard is a different school with different admissions criteria. Symbiotic relationship with Columbia, but not the same as Columbia. It's own deans and it's own administration. I am a Columbia grad ( engineering). Mm y sister is a Barnard grad. She doesn't misrepresent herself even though her major (CS) was through Columbia department because Barnard doesn't have it.

You seem to be confused. Look at your sister’s degree. It clearly says that it’s from Columbia University. It’s signed by the president of Columbia. You’re the one who is doing the misrepresenting.

This. It actually says Columbia University, Barnard College.

This is from Columbia's undergraduate admissions website:

Barnard College is a liberal arts college for women in partnership with Columbia University.

[Anonymous]

At least Barnard is still ranked by US News...