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12/17/2021 20:38

Subject: Cogat and NNAt 2021 Scores Sharing thread

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Anonymous wrote:Falls Church Pyramid,
NNAT: 152,
COGAT: composite 141, Verbal 144, Q 132, NV131. In pool.

I’m sure DCUM isn’t a representative sample, but not seeing much evidence of pool discrepancies between higher and lower SES schools thus far.

I don't know the SES of every pyramid, but 2 schools that could be lower SES - South Lakes and West Springfield - had lower in-pool scores. Even if someone reports their score was over 140, we don't know if the cut-off could have been lower since it's the only report here from that school.

True. Just noting we haven’t seen any hard evidence of low in-pool scores thus far. Even the examples from South Lakes and West Springfield still had scores above last year’s universal cut-off of 132.

This is what surprises me. My children are at a school that would be on the lower half of SES for Fairfax, if not the lower quarter (more than 1/3 FARMS, more than 1/4 ELL). It is the sort of school I would think the board intended to increase or at least maintain the number of students considered. However there are at least 2 students who would have been in the pool last year and are not. One even had CogAT composite of 136. Yes both parents chose to refer anyway so there is no true harm to them. But what about the kid who may have scored 132 or more but has parents who don't speak English and don't know about AAP or understand these changes? The ones who assume if their child was that bright the school would tell them and automatically consider them. These changes were approved by the board with the goal of increasing the net and yet they seem to have narrowed it. Even at the higher SES schools, I hope they actually do an analysis to determine if raising the cutoff resulted in more or less URM being considered.

With no transparency, there is no way for parents to know if the school above truly had 5 or 10% score above 136 or if the school used a county norm (top 2% of the county). Is someone from the AAP office setting all of this or are the schools individually doing it? The memo posted here said the schools would, but then AAP office seems to have mailed the in pool notifications. Is anyone double checking the work? One person posted their AART said there was no pool. Was that a lie or someone who misunderstood the policy change and is applying it wrong at their schools? Is the schoolboard aware that the change to the pool process, which appears to have been made solely by Brabrand, does not include the safety net of the national norm like last year?

Someone on this board said their AART claimed AAP central actually shrunk the pool this year. Maybe it's true?

Probably true for wealthier schools but false for non-wealthy. If we know that some schools had 40+ kids in the pool in prior years, that would mean anywhere from 20% to 75% of their second graders depending on the school's overall size. Now let's assume FCPS decides to use the top 10% of scorers at every school as their building norm. That means the pool shrinks from 40 down to 15 in a hypothetical school with 150 kids per grade. That's a significant decrease.

There have been a few posts that, if they're telling the truth, indicate that the pool was also reduced at non-wealthy schools.

Even for the wealthy schools, is this really equity?

Look at this scenario. Student A has a parent who has known about AAP since kindergarten or before and has done test prep and other enrichment to supplement school. They score a 134 and don't get in to the pool at their school due the higher school norm. Their parent refers them anyway and they still get considered. Student B has a parent who isn't aware of AAP and hasn't done test prep or anything. They naturally, without any preparation, score the same as Student A. They also don't make the pool because of the higher score. Their parent who isn't aware of AAP, maybe due to a language barrier or working multiple jobs, doesn't submit a referral for them. Student B doesn't get considered.

Meanwhile Fairfax celebrates their new equity measure and Student A has a higher chance of getting in because Student B is one less person to compete against.