Masking off-ramp coming soon?

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Anonymous wrote:I saw an epidemiologist say that the course of the pandemic will be determined now by human behavior. All the people who won't wear masks or get vaccinated are prolonging it for the rest of us.

Exactly. And maybe at one point we could have envisioned getting rid of masks if vaccination rates head increased quickly. However, enough people refused to get the vaccine and the virus mutated. That means we end up having to wear masks for longer.

For longer?!? When?

We have one of the highest vaccination rates in the country. Much if the world isn’t vaccinated.

Offramps are coming soon. The doomers don’t want to define an offramp because they know it will be unacceptable to the vast majority of the public, unless it is achievable in the next few months. So they’re trying as long as possible to keep from defining one.

Once that vaccine for 5-11 year olds comes out, the political and public pressure is going to be intense for offramps, especially with an election in 2022

NOPE. Won't happen. Because the majority of us aren't mentally ill. You and those of your ilk are. The rest of us are calm and cool, following directions set by Dr. Fauci. When he says masks off then I'll do it. When you say it, I roll my eyes at the mentally ill person trying to act like he isn't ... insane.

+1

We are (slowly) getting there.

Let's get kids vaccinated and wait for local transmission levels to drop to blue. Probably spring at this point. Thanks to non-vaxxers.

+2 Unfortunately the anti-vaxxers and non-maskers are slowing down our recovery.

I’m fully vaxxed (as is DH) and our kids will get the vax. We have been masking too. So we aren’t antivaxxers nor are we anti-mask. But we are tired of the end goal being very nebulous. First it was flatten the curve. Then until we have vaccines. Then until we get though the Delta peak. Then just until kids can be vaccinated. Now people are saying we need “low community transmission” which is insane because who the hell cares about transmission. It was supposed to be about preventing hospitalizations and deaths, which we by and large have been for the vaccinated community at least. A bunch of unvaxxed people dying or getting put on ventilators is not moving me to continue masking my children at school with no ending in sight. And there are a lot more of us than you realize who are pro-science, pro-vaccine, and ready to move on. At some point all these precautions aren’t worth it to avoid getting a bad cold that isn’t ever going away. All you “just a little bit longer” folks have turned being “COVID conscious” into your identity and you have no idea how to drop it, but that isn’t my issue. We will soon accept COVID the way we accept all other risks in life.

YOu

Go back and read your post. You're mad because there is an ebb and flow to the nature of the virus. You sound like you're two, not the parent of kids. Grow up and face the fact that this is new territory and every time one component changes, another changes in reaction. It is a chain.

So get control of your anxiety. See a mental health professional. Learn to deal with the fact that the world is not dealing in absolutes right now. Learn how to soothe yourself from your self-made anxieties. Learn how to flex.

This really isn't that hard. Get your mental health in order and then come back and post. Until then take yourself off of DCUM because you're only embarrassing yourself.

I will add that the world was NEVER in absolutes. We felt like we were in control because we were in a country that was doing well post WW11, we had lots of earning power and our devices gave us more choices than ever in our lives. We were raised to "be anything we want to be" and earn gold stars, but despite all that the world was still NEVER in our control and NEVER in absolutes. It was a mirage. Our culture allowed us to think we have way more control over things than we do. This is nature fighting back. We are not in control, there are no givens. Grow up and be grateful for what you do have.

Of course nothing is in absolutes and we did adapt as things “ebbed and flowed” throughout the pandemic. But literally the “continue masking” crowd is now all about lowering community spread. Which is a complete 180 from the original goal of lowering the death and severe illness toll. So this isn’t a matter of evolving strategies to prevent death/hospitalization, but a complete change in *why* we’re doing what we’re doing. And I’m telling you because I have lived in this area 15 years (and DH grew up in the DC area), so we know a lot of people of different backgrounds here … I’m seeing a complete change in how willing people are to do this anymore. Even my friends who were wiping down groceries, masking their kids outdoors, etc. are ready to get rid of isolation for close contacts in school because they don’t want their children sacrificing anymore education time. They’re ready for masks to be gone by spring once kids are vaxxed. If you think the majority of people will be willing to continue the status quo once we’re 2 years into the pandemic and a year after vaccines came out, you are deluding yourself and need to take your own advice to seek therapy for your anxiety.

And I find it fascinating that when anyone on this board expresses that public opinion is shifting on people being willing to continue masking, the result is angry insults. You literally claimed I need mental health treatment (which is basically grasping at straws when you don’t have a good counter argument). Or the low ball insult of being an “anti vaxxer” even though many fully vaxxed people I know are ready to give up the mask. Now I’m being told I sound like a toddler because I have an opinion that doesn’t align with the absolute most cautious end of the COVID spectrum. You have no real arguments, just underwhelming rote message board insults.

For real? They don’t want their unvaxxed kids in isolation for close contacts, just send them to school? So the time limit on thinking of others just ran out for you all I guess? Ok then. I am not really a fan of the masks, but that sentence just made me happy for them!

I guess my counter argument is that since people aren’t putting kids in isolation, they need to wear masks longer.

They don’t want to keep this going indefinitely and are ready to discuss next measures. We’re on the cusp of vaccines for 5+ which should make things more like the high schools where vaccinated teenagers don’t need to isolate because of close contact. This next step is coming whether you like it or not. And I’m not saying we’ll drop masks this second. It’s going to take a few more months to get kids vaccinated. But look at the schools in Europe that are dropping mask requirements. You can’t claim they’re all “crazy anti vaxxers who hate masks” over there.

My response was to the PP claiming we need to make until there is “low community spread” which is a joke because that isn’t a metric that really matters. We could have 100% of the US population get COVID and it wouldn’t matter so long as we don’t have overrun hospitals and rampant deaths. Can we at least agree deaths and severe illness are the metric we need to follow?

No one is saying they want this to go on indefinitely. The issue you are having is timing. You want to know WHEN the vaccination rate for 5+ will occur, no one knows. There will be more waiting, more time off work for parents and more time off school for kids who need to get the shot and then get second shot syndrome etc. No one can tell you WHEN this will occur. This step WILL happen, but you aren’t in control of it. You want a hard stop and it just won’t happen that way. Adults began getting vaxed last December and it took until Aug for everyone who wanted one to get it. This is a slow process, not fast. Everyone is tired, but we have to keep going for now. Also, who is to say that the Vaccine won’t be as effective and people who were Vaxed will get sick enough for the hospital again. we just don’t know, so much COULD happen. Our job is to see it through as best we can and I don’t think anyone can say anymore, regardless of how maddening it is.

You need to re-read. I did not one.single.time say anything about “when.” The word “when” does not appear in a single thing I posted. My first post on this thread was in response to someone claiming we need local transmission levels to “drop to blue.” I explained that I’m not some crazy antivaxxer, but that I’m upset at changing metrics. Low transmission was never the end goal. I also said that as kids get vaccinated, the will for people to mask and take kids out of school is going to go down. This is a fact. I never said stop masking now. Then I got accused of being a mentally ill toddler.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw an epidemiologist say that the course of the pandemic will be determined now by human behavior. All the people who won't wear masks or get vaccinated are prolonging it for the rest of us.

Exactly. And maybe at one point we could have envisioned getting rid of masks if vaccination rates head increased quickly. However, enough people refused to get the vaccine and the virus mutated. That means we end up having to wear masks for longer.

For longer?!? When?

We have one of the highest vaccination rates in the country. Much if the world isn’t vaccinated.

Offramps are coming soon. The doomers don’t want to define an offramp because they know it will be unacceptable to the vast majority of the public, unless it is achievable in the next few months. So they’re trying as long as possible to keep from defining one.

Once that vaccine for 5-11 year olds comes out, the political and public pressure is going to be intense for offramps, especially with an election in 2022

NOPE. Won't happen. Because the majority of us aren't mentally ill. You and those of your ilk are. The rest of us are calm and cool, following directions set by Dr. Fauci. When he says masks off then I'll do it. When you say it, I roll my eyes at the mentally ill person trying to act like he isn't ... insane.

+1

We are (slowly) getting there.

Let's get kids vaccinated and wait for local transmission levels to drop to blue. Probably spring at this point. Thanks to non-vaxxers.

+2 Unfortunately the anti-vaxxers and non-maskers are slowing down our recovery.

I’m fully vaxxed (as is DH) and our kids will get the vax. We have been masking too. So we aren’t antivaxxers nor are we anti-mask. But we are tired of the end goal being very nebulous. First it was flatten the curve. Then until we have vaccines. Then until we get though the Delta peak. Then just until kids can be vaccinated. Now people are saying we need “low community transmission” which is insane because who the hell cares about transmission. It was supposed to be about preventing hospitalizations and deaths, which we by and large have been for the vaccinated community at least. A bunch of unvaxxed people dying or getting put on ventilators is not moving me to continue masking my children at school with no ending in sight. And there are a lot more of us than you realize who are pro-science, pro-vaccine, and ready to move on. At some point all these precautions aren’t worth it to avoid getting a bad cold that isn’t ever going away. All you “just a little bit longer” folks have turned being “COVID conscious” into your identity and you have no idea how to drop it, but that isn’t my issue. We will soon accept COVID the way we accept all other risks in life.

YOu

Go back and read your post. You're mad because there is an ebb and flow to the nature of the virus. You sound like you're two, not the parent of kids. Grow up and face the fact that this is new territory and every time one component changes, another changes in reaction. It is a chain.

So get control of your anxiety. See a mental health professional. Learn to deal with the fact that the world is not dealing in absolutes right now. Learn how to soothe yourself from your self-made anxieties. Learn how to flex.

This really isn't that hard. Get your mental health in order and then come back and post. Until then take yourself off of DCUM because you're only embarrassing yourself.

I will add that the world was NEVER in absolutes. We felt like we were in control because we were in a country that was doing well post WW11, we had lots of earning power and our devices gave us more choices than ever in our lives. We were raised to "be anything we want to be" and earn gold stars, but despite all that the world was still NEVER in our control and NEVER in absolutes. It was a mirage. Our culture allowed us to think we have way more control over things than we do. This is nature fighting back. We are not in control, there are no givens. Grow up and be grateful for what you do have.

Of course nothing is in absolutes and we did adapt as things “ebbed and flowed” throughout the pandemic. But literally the “continue masking” crowd is now all about lowering community spread. Which is a complete 180 from the original goal of lowering the death and severe illness toll. So this isn’t a matter of evolving strategies to prevent death/hospitalization, but a complete change in *why* we’re doing what we’re doing. And I’m telling you because I have lived in this area 15 years (and DH grew up in the DC area), so we know a lot of people of different backgrounds here … I’m seeing a complete change in how willing people are to do this anymore. Even my friends who were wiping down groceries, masking their kids outdoors, etc. are ready to get rid of isolation for close contacts in school because they don’t want their children sacrificing anymore education time. They’re ready for masks to be gone by spring once kids are vaxxed. If you think the majority of people will be willing to continue the status quo once we’re 2 years into the pandemic and a year after vaccines came out, you are deluding yourself and need to take your own advice to seek therapy for your anxiety.

And I find it fascinating that when anyone on this board expresses that public opinion is shifting on people being willing to continue masking, the result is angry insults. You literally claimed I need mental health treatment (which is basically grasping at straws when you don’t have a good counter argument). Or the low ball insult of being an “anti vaxxer” even though many fully vaxxed people I know are ready to give up the mask. Now I’m being told I sound like a toddler because I have an opinion that doesn’t align with the absolute most cautious end of the COVID spectrum. You have no real arguments, just underwhelming rote message board insults.

For real? They don’t want their unvaxxed kids in isolation for close contacts, just send them to school? So the time limit on thinking of others just ran out for you all I guess? Ok then. I am not really a fan of the masks, but that sentence just made me happy for them!

I guess my counter argument is that since people aren’t putting kids in isolation, they need to wear masks longer.

They don’t want to keep this going indefinitely and are ready to discuss next measures. We’re on the cusp of vaccines for 5+ which should make things more like the high schools where vaccinated teenagers don’t need to isolate because of close contact. This next step is coming whether you like it or not. And I’m not saying we’ll drop masks this second. It’s going to take a few more months to get kids vaccinated. But look at the schools in Europe that are dropping mask requirements. You can’t claim they’re all “crazy anti vaxxers who hate masks” over there.

My response was to the PP claiming we need to make until there is “low community spread” which is a joke because that isn’t a metric that really matters. We could have 100% of the US population get COVID and it wouldn’t matter so long as we don’t have overrun hospitals and rampant deaths. Can we at least agree deaths and severe illness are the metric we need to follow?

No one is saying they want this to go on indefinitely. The issue you are having is timing. You want to know WHEN the vaccination rate for 5+ will occur, no one knows. There will be more waiting, more time off work for parents and more time off school for kids who need to get the shot and then get second shot syndrome etc. No one can tell you WHEN this will occur. This step WILL happen, but you aren’t in control of it. You want a hard stop and it just won’t happen that way. Adults began getting vaxed last December and it took until Aug for everyone who wanted one to get it. This is a slow process, not fast. Everyone is tired, but we have to keep going for now. Also, who is to say that the Vaccine won’t be as effective and people who were Vaxed will get sick enough for the hospital again. we just don’t know, so much COULD happen. Our job is to see it through as best we can and I don’t think anyone can say anymore, regardless of how maddening it is.

You need to re-read. I did not one.single.time say anything about “when.” The word “when” does not appear in a single thing I posted. My first post on this thread was in response to someone claiming we need local transmission levels to “drop to blue.” I explained that I’m not some crazy antivaxxer, but that I’m upset at changing metrics. Low transmission was never the end goal. I also said that as kids get vaccinated, the will for people to mask and take kids out of school is going to go down. This is a fact. I never said stop masking now. Then I got accused of being a mentally ill toddler.

Well maybe that person was confused as I was because someone asked When? (See bolded) cool then, we agree on that. That said, metrics change because virus mutates and the vaccine may not work against all future or current mutations as time goes on. I get that you aren’t antivax, but still think we need to wait and see and can’t say for sure the all clear will be sounded when kids 5+ are Vaccinated particularly as many schools have pre-k which includes children under 5. Time will tell.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw an epidemiologist say that the course of the pandemic will be determined now by human behavior. All the people who won't wear masks or get vaccinated are prolonging it for the rest of us.

Exactly. And maybe at one point we could have envisioned getting rid of masks if vaccination rates head increased quickly. However, enough people refused to get the vaccine and the virus mutated. That means we end up having to wear masks for longer.

For longer?!? When?

We have one of the highest vaccination rates in the country. Much if the world isn’t vaccinated.

Offramps are coming soon. The doomers don’t want to define an offramp because they know it will be unacceptable to the vast majority of the public, unless it is achievable in the next few months. So they’re trying as long as possible to keep from defining one.

Once that vaccine for 5-11 year olds comes out, the political and public pressure is going to be intense for offramps, especially with an election in 2022

NOPE. Won't happen. Because the majority of us aren't mentally ill. You and those of your ilk are. The rest of us are calm and cool, following directions set by Dr. Fauci. When he says masks off then I'll do it. When you say it, I roll my eyes at the mentally ill person trying to act like he isn't ... insane.

+1

We are (slowly) getting there.

Let's get kids vaccinated and wait for local transmission levels to drop to blue. Probably spring at this point. Thanks to non-vaxxers.

+2 Unfortunately the anti-vaxxers and non-maskers are slowing down our recovery.

I’m fully vaxxed (as is DH) and our kids will get the vax. We have been masking too. So we aren’t antivaxxers nor are we anti-mask. But we are tired of the end goal being very nebulous. First it was flatten the curve. Then until we have vaccines. Then until we get though the Delta peak. Then just until kids can be vaccinated. Now people are saying we need “low community transmission” which is insane because who the hell cares about transmission. It was supposed to be about preventing hospitalizations and deaths, which we by and large have been for the vaccinated community at least. A bunch of unvaxxed people dying or getting put on ventilators is not moving me to continue masking my children at school with no ending in sight. And there are a lot more of us than you realize who are pro-science, pro-vaccine, and ready to move on. At some point all these precautions aren’t worth it to avoid getting a bad cold that isn’t ever going away. All you “just a little bit longer” folks have turned being “COVID conscious” into your identity and you have no idea how to drop it, but that isn’t my issue. We will soon accept COVID the way we accept all other risks in life.

YOu

Go back and read your post. You're mad because there is an ebb and flow to the nature of the virus. You sound like you're two, not the parent of kids. Grow up and face the fact that this is new territory and every time one component changes, another changes in reaction. It is a chain.

So get control of your anxiety. See a mental health professional. Learn to deal with the fact that the world is not dealing in absolutes right now. Learn how to soothe yourself from your self-made anxieties. Learn how to flex.

This really isn't that hard. Get your mental health in order and then come back and post. Until then take yourself off of DCUM because you're only embarrassing yourself.

I will add that the world was NEVER in absolutes. We felt like we were in control because we were in a country that was doing well post WW11, we had lots of earning power and our devices gave us more choices than ever in our lives. We were raised to "be anything we want to be" and earn gold stars, but despite all that the world was still NEVER in our control and NEVER in absolutes. It was a mirage. Our culture allowed us to think we have way more control over things than we do. This is nature fighting back. We are not in control, there are no givens. Grow up and be grateful for what you do have.

Of course nothing is in absolutes and we did adapt as things “ebbed and flowed” throughout the pandemic. But literally the “continue masking” crowd is now all about lowering community spread. Which is a complete 180 from the original goal of lowering the death and severe illness toll. So this isn’t a matter of evolving strategies to prevent death/hospitalization, but a complete change in *why* we’re doing what we’re doing. And I’m telling you because I have lived in this area 15 years (and DH grew up in the DC area), so we know a lot of people of different backgrounds here … I’m seeing a complete change in how willing people are to do this anymore. Even my friends who were wiping down groceries, masking their kids outdoors, etc. are ready to get rid of isolation for close contacts in school because they don’t want their children sacrificing anymore education time. They’re ready for masks to be gone by spring once kids are vaxxed. If you think the majority of people will be willing to continue the status quo once we’re 2 years into the pandemic and a year after vaccines came out, you are deluding yourself and need to take your own advice to seek therapy for your anxiety.

And I find it fascinating that when anyone on this board expresses that public opinion is shifting on people being willing to continue masking, the result is angry insults. You literally claimed I need mental health treatment (which is basically grasping at straws when you don’t have a good counter argument). Or the low ball insult of being an “anti vaxxer” even though many fully vaxxed people I know are ready to give up the mask. Now I’m being told I sound like a toddler because I have an opinion that doesn’t align with the absolute most cautious end of the COVID spectrum. You have no real arguments, just underwhelming rote message board insults.

For real? They don’t want their unvaxxed kids in isolation for close contacts, just send them to school? So the time limit on thinking of others just ran out for you all I guess? Ok then. I am not really a fan of the masks, but that sentence just made me happy for them!

I guess my counter argument is that since people aren’t putting kids in isolation, they need to wear masks longer.

They don’t want to keep this going indefinitely and are ready to discuss next measures. We’re on the cusp of vaccines for 5+ which should make things more like the high schools where vaccinated teenagers don’t need to isolate because of close contact. This next step is coming whether you like it or not. And I’m not saying we’ll drop masks this second. It’s going to take a few more months to get kids vaccinated. But look at the schools in Europe that are dropping mask requirements. You can’t claim they’re all “crazy anti vaxxers who hate masks” over there.

My response was to the PP claiming we need to make until there is “low community spread” which is a joke because that isn’t a metric that really matters. We could have 100% of the US population get COVID and it wouldn’t matter so long as we don’t have overrun hospitals and rampant deaths. Can we at least agree deaths and severe illness are the metric we need to follow?

No one is saying they want this to go on indefinitely. The issue you are having is timing. You want to know WHEN the vaccination rate for 5+ will occur, no one knows. There will be more waiting, more time off work for parents and more time off school for kids who need to get the shot and then get second shot syndrome etc. No one can tell you WHEN this will occur. This step WILL happen, but you aren’t in control of it. You want a hard stop and it just won’t happen that way. Adults began getting vaxed last December and it took until Aug for everyone who wanted one to get it. This is a slow process, not fast. Everyone is tired, but we have to keep going for now. Also, who is to say that the Vaccine won’t be as effective and people who were Vaxed will get sick enough for the hospital again. we just don’t know, so much COULD happen. Our job is to see it through as best we can and I don’t think anyone can say anymore, regardless of how maddening it is.

You need to re-read. I did not one.single.time say anything about “when.” The word “when” does not appear in a single thing I posted. My first post on this thread was in response to someone claiming we need local transmission levels to “drop to blue.” I explained that I’m not some crazy antivaxxer, but that I’m upset at changing metrics. Low transmission was never the end goal. I also said that as kids get vaccinated, the will for people to mask and take kids out of school is going to go down. This is a fact. I never said stop masking now. Then I got accused of being a mentally ill toddler.

Well maybe that person was confused as I was because someone asked When? (See bolded) cool then, we agree on that. That said, metrics change because virus mutates and the vaccine may not work against all future or current mutations as time goes on. I get that you aren’t antivax, but still think we need to wait and see and can’t say for sure the all clear will be sounded when kids 5+ are Vaccinated particularly as many schools have pre-k which includes children under 5. Time will tell.

So did you just change the relevant metric to vaccination of the 2-5 set?

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Anonymous wrote:I saw an epidemiologist say that the course of the pandemic will be determined now by human behavior. All the people who won't wear masks or get vaccinated are prolonging it for the rest of us.

Exactly. And maybe at one point we could have envisioned getting rid of masks if vaccination rates head increased quickly. However, enough people refused to get the vaccine and the virus mutated. That means we end up having to wear masks for longer.

For longer?!? When?

We have one of the highest vaccination rates in the country. Much if the world isn’t vaccinated.

Offramps are coming soon. The doomers don’t want to define an offramp because they know it will be unacceptable to the vast majority of the public, unless it is achievable in the next few months. So they’re trying as long as possible to keep from defining one.

Once that vaccine for 5-11 year olds comes out, the political and public pressure is going to be intense for offramps, especially with an election in 2022

NOPE. Won't happen. Because the majority of us aren't mentally ill. You and those of your ilk are. The rest of us are calm and cool, following directions set by Dr. Fauci. When he says masks off then I'll do it. When you say it, I roll my eyes at the mentally ill person trying to act like he isn't ... insane.

+1

We are (slowly) getting there.

Let's get kids vaccinated and wait for local transmission levels to drop to blue. Probably spring at this point. Thanks to non-vaxxers.

+2 Unfortunately the anti-vaxxers and non-maskers are slowing down our recovery.

I’m fully vaxxed (as is DH) and our kids will get the vax. We have been masking too. So we aren’t antivaxxers nor are we anti-mask. But we are tired of the end goal being very nebulous. First it was flatten the curve. Then until we have vaccines. Then until we get though the Delta peak. Then just until kids can be vaccinated. Now people are saying we need “low community transmission” which is insane because who the hell cares about transmission. It was supposed to be about preventing hospitalizations and deaths, which we by and large have been for the vaccinated community at least. A bunch of unvaxxed people dying or getting put on ventilators is not moving me to continue masking my children at school with no ending in sight. And there are a lot more of us than you realize who are pro-science, pro-vaccine, and ready to move on. At some point all these precautions aren’t worth it to avoid getting a bad cold that isn’t ever going away. All you “just a little bit longer” folks have turned being “COVID conscious” into your identity and you have no idea how to drop it, but that isn’t my issue. We will soon accept COVID the way we accept all other risks in life.

YOu

Go back and read your post. You're mad because there is an ebb and flow to the nature of the virus. You sound like you're two, not the parent of kids. Grow up and face the fact that this is new territory and every time one component changes, another changes in reaction. It is a chain.

So get control of your anxiety. See a mental health professional. Learn to deal with the fact that the world is not dealing in absolutes right now. Learn how to soothe yourself from your self-made anxieties. Learn how to flex.

This really isn't that hard. Get your mental health in order and then come back and post. Until then take yourself off of DCUM because you're only embarrassing yourself.

I will add that the world was NEVER in absolutes. We felt like we were in control because we were in a country that was doing well post WW11, we had lots of earning power and our devices gave us more choices than ever in our lives. We were raised to "be anything we want to be" and earn gold stars, but despite all that the world was still NEVER in our control and NEVER in absolutes. It was a mirage. Our culture allowed us to think we have way more control over things than we do. This is nature fighting back. We are not in control, there are no givens. Grow up and be grateful for what you do have.

Of course nothing is in absolutes and we did adapt as things “ebbed and flowed” throughout the pandemic. But literally the “continue masking” crowd is now all about lowering community spread. Which is a complete 180 from the original goal of lowering the death and severe illness toll. So this isn’t a matter of evolving strategies to prevent death/hospitalization, but a complete change in *why* we’re doing what we’re doing. And I’m telling you because I have lived in this area 15 years (and DH grew up in the DC area), so we know a lot of people of different backgrounds here … I’m seeing a complete change in how willing people are to do this anymore. Even my friends who were wiping down groceries, masking their kids outdoors, etc. are ready to get rid of isolation for close contacts in school because they don’t want their children sacrificing anymore education time. They’re ready for masks to be gone by spring once kids are vaxxed. If you think the majority of people will be willing to continue the status quo once we’re 2 years into the pandemic and a year after vaccines came out, you are deluding yourself and need to take your own advice to seek therapy for your anxiety.

And I find it fascinating that when anyone on this board expresses that public opinion is shifting on people being willing to continue masking, the result is angry insults. You literally claimed I need mental health treatment (which is basically grasping at straws when you don’t have a good counter argument). Or the low ball insult of being an “anti vaxxer” even though many fully vaxxed people I know are ready to give up the mask. Now I’m being told I sound like a toddler because I have an opinion that doesn’t align with the absolute most cautious end of the COVID spectrum. You have no real arguments, just underwhelming rote message board insults.

For real? They don’t want their unvaxxed kids in isolation for close contacts, just send them to school? So the time limit on thinking of others just ran out for you all I guess? Ok then. I am not really a fan of the masks, but that sentence just made me happy for them!

I guess my counter argument is that since people aren’t putting kids in isolation, they need to wear masks longer.

They don’t want to keep this going indefinitely and are ready to discuss next measures. We’re on the cusp of vaccines for 5+ which should make things more like the high schools where vaccinated teenagers don’t need to isolate because of close contact. This next step is coming whether you like it or not. And I’m not saying we’ll drop masks this second. It’s going to take a few more months to get kids vaccinated. But look at the schools in Europe that are dropping mask requirements. You can’t claim they’re all “crazy anti vaxxers who hate masks” over there.

My response was to the PP claiming we need to make until there is “low community spread” which is a joke because that isn’t a metric that really matters. We could have 100% of the US population get COVID and it wouldn’t matter so long as we don’t have overrun hospitals and rampant deaths. Can we at least agree deaths and severe illness are the metric we need to follow?

No one is saying they want this to go on indefinitely. The issue you are having is timing. You want to know WHEN the vaccination rate for 5+ will occur, no one knows. There will be more waiting, more time off work for parents and more time off school for kids who need to get the shot and then get second shot syndrome etc. No one can tell you WHEN this will occur. This step WILL happen, but you aren’t in control of it. You want a hard stop and it just won’t happen that way. Adults began getting vaxed last December and it took until Aug for everyone who wanted one to get it. This is a slow process, not fast. Everyone is tired, but we have to keep going for now. Also, who is to say that the Vaccine won’t be as effective and people who were Vaxed will get sick enough for the hospital again. we just don’t know, so much COULD happen. Our job is to see it through as best we can and I don’t think anyone can say anymore, regardless of how maddening it is.

You need to re-read. I did not one.single.time say anything about “when.” The word “when” does not appear in a single thing I posted. My first post on this thread was in response to someone claiming we need local transmission levels to “drop to blue.” I explained that I’m not some crazy antivaxxer, but that I’m upset at changing metrics. Low transmission was never the end goal. I also said that as kids get vaccinated, the will for people to mask and take kids out of school is going to go down. This is a fact. I never said stop masking now. Then I got accused of being a mentally ill toddler.

Well maybe that person was confused as I was because someone asked When? (See bolded) cool then, we agree on that. That said, metrics change because virus mutates and the vaccine may not work against all future or current mutations as time goes on. I get that you aren’t antivax, but still think we need to wait and see and can’t say for sure the all clear will be sounded when kids 5+ are Vaccinated particularly as many schools have pre-k which includes children under 5. Time will tell.

So did you just change the relevant metric to vaccination of the 2-5 set?

No. I’m not in charge of the metric. Time will tell what the people in charge decide. They have a lot of circumstances to think about, SOME of which, you may not have thought of and some of which no one can predict right now.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw an epidemiologist say that the course of the pandemic will be determined now by human behavior. All the people who won't wear masks or get vaccinated are prolonging it for the rest of us.

Exactly. And maybe at one point we could have envisioned getting rid of masks if vaccination rates head increased quickly. However, enough people refused to get the vaccine and the virus mutated. That means we end up having to wear masks for longer.

For longer?!? When?

We have one of the highest vaccination rates in the country. Much if the world isn’t vaccinated.

Offramps are coming soon. The doomers don’t want to define an offramp because they know it will be unacceptable to the vast majority of the public, unless it is achievable in the next few months. So they’re trying as long as possible to keep from defining one.

Once that vaccine for 5-11 year olds comes out, the political and public pressure is going to be intense for offramps, especially with an election in 2022

NOPE. Won't happen. Because the majority of us aren't mentally ill. You and those of your ilk are. The rest of us are calm and cool, following directions set by Dr. Fauci. When he says masks off then I'll do it. When you say it, I roll my eyes at the mentally ill person trying to act like he isn't ... insane.

+1

We are (slowly) getting there.

Let's get kids vaccinated and wait for local transmission levels to drop to blue. Probably spring at this point. Thanks to non-vaxxers.

+2 Unfortunately the anti-vaxxers and non-maskers are slowing down our recovery.

I’m fully vaxxed (as is DH) and our kids will get the vax. We have been masking too. So we aren’t antivaxxers nor are we anti-mask. But we are tired of the end goal being very nebulous. First it was flatten the curve. Then until we have vaccines. Then until we get though the Delta peak. Then just until kids can be vaccinated. Now people are saying we need “low community transmission” which is insane because who the hell cares about transmission. It was supposed to be about preventing hospitalizations and deaths, which we by and large have been for the vaccinated community at least. A bunch of unvaxxed people dying or getting put on ventilators is not moving me to continue masking my children at school with no ending in sight. And there are a lot more of us than you realize who are pro-science, pro-vaccine, and ready to move on. At some point all these precautions aren’t worth it to avoid getting a bad cold that isn’t ever going away. All you “just a little bit longer” folks have turned being “COVID conscious” into your identity and you have no idea how to drop it, but that isn’t my issue. We will soon accept COVID the way we accept all other risks in life.

YOu

Go back and read your post. You're mad because there is an ebb and flow to the nature of the virus. You sound like you're two, not the parent of kids. Grow up and face the fact that this is new territory and every time one component changes, another changes in reaction. It is a chain.

So get control of your anxiety. See a mental health professional. Learn to deal with the fact that the world is not dealing in absolutes right now. Learn how to soothe yourself from your self-made anxieties. Learn how to flex.

This really isn't that hard. Get your mental health in order and then come back and post. Until then take yourself off of DCUM because you're only embarrassing yourself.

I will add that the world was NEVER in absolutes. We felt like we were in control because we were in a country that was doing well post WW11, we had lots of earning power and our devices gave us more choices than ever in our lives. We were raised to "be anything we want to be" and earn gold stars, but despite all that the world was still NEVER in our control and NEVER in absolutes. It was a mirage. Our culture allowed us to think we have way more control over things than we do. This is nature fighting back. We are not in control, there are no givens. Grow up and be grateful for what you do have.

Of course nothing is in absolutes and we did adapt as things “ebbed and flowed” throughout the pandemic. But literally the “continue masking” crowd is now all about lowering community spread. Which is a complete 180 from the original goal of lowering the death and severe illness toll. So this isn’t a matter of evolving strategies to prevent death/hospitalization, but a complete change in *why* we’re doing what we’re doing. And I’m telling you because I have lived in this area 15 years (and DH grew up in the DC area), so we know a lot of people of different backgrounds here … I’m seeing a complete change in how willing people are to do this anymore. Even my friends who were wiping down groceries, masking their kids outdoors, etc. are ready to get rid of isolation for close contacts in school because they don’t want their children sacrificing anymore education time. They’re ready for masks to be gone by spring once kids are vaxxed. If you think the majority of people will be willing to continue the status quo once we’re 2 years into the pandemic and a year after vaccines came out, you are deluding yourself and need to take your own advice to seek therapy for your anxiety.

And I find it fascinating that when anyone on this board expresses that public opinion is shifting on people being willing to continue masking, the result is angry insults. You literally claimed I need mental health treatment (which is basically grasping at straws when you don’t have a good counter argument). Or the low ball insult of being an “anti vaxxer” even though many fully vaxxed people I know are ready to give up the mask. Now I’m being told I sound like a toddler because I have an opinion that doesn’t align with the absolute most cautious end of the COVID spectrum. You have no real arguments, just underwhelming rote message board insults.

For real? They don’t want their unvaxxed kids in isolation for close contacts, just send them to school? So the time limit on thinking of others just ran out for you all I guess? Ok then. I am not really a fan of the masks, but that sentence just made me happy for them!

I guess my counter argument is that since people aren’t putting kids in isolation, they need to wear masks longer.

They don’t want to keep this going indefinitely and are ready to discuss next measures. We’re on the cusp of vaccines for 5+ which should make things more like the high schools where vaccinated teenagers don’t need to isolate because of close contact. This next step is coming whether you like it or not. And I’m not saying we’ll drop masks this second. It’s going to take a few more months to get kids vaccinated. But look at the schools in Europe that are dropping mask requirements. You can’t claim they’re all “crazy anti vaxxers who hate masks” over there.

My response was to the PP claiming we need to make until there is “low community spread” which is a joke because that isn’t a metric that really matters. We could have 100% of the US population get COVID and it wouldn’t matter so long as we don’t have overrun hospitals and rampant deaths. Can we at least agree deaths and severe illness are the metric we need to follow?

No one is saying they want this to go on indefinitely. The issue you are having is timing. You want to know WHEN the vaccination rate for 5+ will occur, no one knows. There will be more waiting, more time off work for parents and more time off school for kids who need to get the shot and then get second shot syndrome etc. No one can tell you WHEN this will occur. This step WILL happen, but you aren’t in control of it. You want a hard stop and it just won’t happen that way. Adults began getting vaxed last December and it took until Aug for everyone who wanted one to get it. This is a slow process, not fast. Everyone is tired, but we have to keep going for now. Also, who is to say that the Vaccine won’t be as effective and people who were Vaxed will get sick enough for the hospital again. we just don’t know, so much COULD happen. Our job is to see it through as best we can and I don’t think anyone can say anymore, regardless of how maddening it is.

You need to re-read. I did not one.single.time say anything about “when.” The word “when” does not appear in a single thing I posted. My first post on this thread was in response to someone claiming we need local transmission levels to “drop to blue.” I explained that I’m not some crazy antivaxxer, but that I’m upset at changing metrics. Low transmission was never the end goal. I also said that as kids get vaccinated, the will for people to mask and take kids out of school is going to go down. This is a fact. I never said stop masking now. Then I got accused of being a mentally ill toddler.

Well maybe that person was confused as I was because someone asked When? (See bolded) cool then, we agree on that. That said, metrics change because virus mutates and the vaccine may not work against all future or current mutations as time goes on. I get that you aren’t antivax, but still think we need to wait and see and can’t say for sure the all clear will be sounded when kids 5+ are Vaccinated particularly as many schools have pre-k which includes children under 5. Time will tell.

So did you just change the relevant metric to vaccination of the 2-5 set?

No. I’m not in charge of the metric. Time will tell what the people in charge decide. They have a lot of circumstances to think about, SOME of which, you may not have thought of and some of which no one can predict right now.

My only wish for you is that you get therapy. You NEED it.


DP btw. Not the person you're arguing with. Take me seriously. This is my business. You need some help. Your anxiety about this is palpable.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw an epidemiologist say that the course of the pandemic will be determined now by human behavior. All the people who won't wear masks or get vaccinated are prolonging it for the rest of us.

Exactly. And maybe at one point we could have envisioned getting rid of masks if vaccination rates head increased quickly. However, enough people refused to get the vaccine and the virus mutated. That means we end up having to wear masks for longer.

For longer?!? When?

We have one of the highest vaccination rates in the country. Much if the world isn’t vaccinated.

Offramps are coming soon. The doomers don’t want to define an offramp because they know it will be unacceptable to the vast majority of the public, unless it is achievable in the next few months. So they’re trying as long as possible to keep from defining one.

Once that vaccine for 5-11 year olds comes out, the political and public pressure is going to be intense for offramps, especially with an election in 2022

NOPE. Won't happen. Because the majority of us aren't mentally ill. You and those of your ilk are. The rest of us are calm and cool, following directions set by Dr. Fauci. When he says masks off then I'll do it. When you say it, I roll my eyes at the mentally ill person trying to act like he isn't ... insane.

+1

We are (slowly) getting there.

Let's get kids vaccinated and wait for local transmission levels to drop to blue. Probably spring at this point. Thanks to non-vaxxers.

+2 Unfortunately the anti-vaxxers and non-maskers are slowing down our recovery.

I’m fully vaxxed (as is DH) and our kids will get the vax. We have been masking too. So we aren’t antivaxxers nor are we anti-mask. But we are tired of the end goal being very nebulous. First it was flatten the curve. Then until we have vaccines. Then until we get though the Delta peak. Then just until kids can be vaccinated. Now people are saying we need “low community transmission” which is insane because who the hell cares about transmission. It was supposed to be about preventing hospitalizations and deaths, which we by and large have been for the vaccinated community at least. A bunch of unvaxxed people dying or getting put on ventilators is not moving me to continue masking my children at school with no ending in sight. And there are a lot more of us than you realize who are pro-science, pro-vaccine, and ready to move on. At some point all these precautions aren’t worth it to avoid getting a bad cold that isn’t ever going away. All you “just a little bit longer” folks have turned being “COVID conscious” into your identity and you have no idea how to drop it, but that isn’t my issue. We will soon accept COVID the way we accept all other risks in life.

YOu

Go back and read your post. You're mad because there is an ebb and flow to the nature of the virus. You sound like you're two, not the parent of kids. Grow up and face the fact that this is new territory and every time one component changes, another changes in reaction. It is a chain.

So get control of your anxiety. See a mental health professional. Learn to deal with the fact that the world is not dealing in absolutes right now. Learn how to soothe yourself from your self-made anxieties. Learn how to flex.

This really isn't that hard. Get your mental health in order and then come back and post. Until then take yourself off of DCUM because you're only embarrassing yourself.

I will add that the world was NEVER in absolutes. We felt like we were in control because we were in a country that was doing well post WW11, we had lots of earning power and our devices gave us more choices than ever in our lives. We were raised to "be anything we want to be" and earn gold stars, but despite all that the world was still NEVER in our control and NEVER in absolutes. It was a mirage. Our culture allowed us to think we have way more control over things than we do. This is nature fighting back. We are not in control, there are no givens. Grow up and be grateful for what you do have.

Of course nothing is in absolutes and we did adapt as things “ebbed and flowed” throughout the pandemic. But literally the “continue masking” crowd is now all about lowering community spread. Which is a complete 180 from the original goal of lowering the death and severe illness toll. So this isn’t a matter of evolving strategies to prevent death/hospitalization, but a complete change in *why* we’re doing what we’re doing. And I’m telling you because I have lived in this area 15 years (and DH grew up in the DC area), so we know a lot of people of different backgrounds here … I’m seeing a complete change in how willing people are to do this anymore. Even my friends who were wiping down groceries, masking their kids outdoors, etc. are ready to get rid of isolation for close contacts in school because they don’t want their children sacrificing anymore education time. They’re ready for masks to be gone by spring once kids are vaxxed. If you think the majority of people will be willing to continue the status quo once we’re 2 years into the pandemic and a year after vaccines came out, you are deluding yourself and need to take your own advice to seek therapy for your anxiety.

And I find it fascinating that when anyone on this board expresses that public opinion is shifting on people being willing to continue masking, the result is angry insults. You literally claimed I need mental health treatment (which is basically grasping at straws when you don’t have a good counter argument). Or the low ball insult of being an “anti vaxxer” even though many fully vaxxed people I know are ready to give up the mask. Now I’m being told I sound like a toddler because I have an opinion that doesn’t align with the absolute most cautious end of the COVID spectrum. You have no real arguments, just underwhelming rote message board insults.

For real? They don’t want their unvaxxed kids in isolation for close contacts, just send them to school? So the time limit on thinking of others just ran out for you all I guess? Ok then. I am not really a fan of the masks, but that sentence just made me happy for them!

I guess my counter argument is that since people aren’t putting kids in isolation, they need to wear masks longer.

They don’t want to keep this going indefinitely and are ready to discuss next measures. We’re on the cusp of vaccines for 5+ which should make things more like the high schools where vaccinated teenagers don’t need to isolate because of close contact. This next step is coming whether you like it or not. And I’m not saying we’ll drop masks this second. It’s going to take a few more months to get kids vaccinated. But look at the schools in Europe that are dropping mask requirements. You can’t claim they’re all “crazy anti vaxxers who hate masks” over there.

My response was to the PP claiming we need to make until there is “low community spread” which is a joke because that isn’t a metric that really matters. We could have 100% of the US population get COVID and it wouldn’t matter so long as we don’t have overrun hospitals and rampant deaths. Can we at least agree deaths and severe illness are the metric we need to follow?

No one is saying they want this to go on indefinitely. The issue you are having is timing. You want to know WHEN the vaccination rate for 5+ will occur, no one knows. There will be more waiting, more time off work for parents and more time off school for kids who need to get the shot and then get second shot syndrome etc. No one can tell you WHEN this will occur. This step WILL happen, but you aren’t in control of it. You want a hard stop and it just won’t happen that way. Adults began getting vaxed last December and it took until Aug for everyone who wanted one to get it. This is a slow process, not fast. Everyone is tired, but we have to keep going for now. Also, who is to say that the Vaccine won’t be as effective and people who were Vaxed will get sick enough for the hospital again. we just don’t know, so much COULD happen. Our job is to see it through as best we can and I don’t think anyone can say anymore, regardless of how maddening it is.

You need to re-read. I did not one.single.time say anything about “when.” The word “when” does not appear in a single thing I posted. My first post on this thread was in response to someone claiming we need local transmission levels to “drop to blue.” I explained that I’m not some crazy antivaxxer, but that I’m upset at changing metrics. Low transmission was never the end goal. I also said that as kids get vaccinated, the will for people to mask and take kids out of school is going to go down. This is a fact. I never said stop masking now. Then I got accused of being a mentally ill toddler.

Well maybe that person was confused as I was because someone asked When? (See bolded) cool then, we agree on that. That said, metrics change because virus mutates and the vaccine may not work against all future or current mutations as time goes on. I get that you aren’t antivax, but still think we need to wait and see and can’t say for sure the all clear will be sounded when kids 5+ are Vaccinated particularly as many schools have pre-k which includes children under 5. Time will tell.

So did you just change the relevant metric to vaccination of the 2-5 set?

No. I’m not in charge of the metric. Time will tell what the people in charge decide. They have a lot of circumstances to think about, SOME of which, you may not have thought of and some of which no one can predict right now.

My only wish for you is that you get therapy. You NEED it.


DP btw. Not the person you're arguing with. Take me seriously. This is my business. You need some help. Your anxiety about this is palpable.

I’ll let my therapist know a random person online told me I need help and have anxiety over masking and it was “their business.” So I should listen to them. I’ll get back to you with her response.

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Glad to hear you already have a therapist. Keep up with your appointments!

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Wishing a slow and very painful end to all of you wanting endless masking and using children as guinea pigs in a worldwide medical experiment.

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Anonymous wrote:Wishing a slow and very painful end to all of you wanting endless masking and using children as guinea pigs in a worldwide medical experiment.

+1M!

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Talk about hyperbolic, PPs. No one has said "endless." We're only saying that we need masks right now because it is a proven safety measure.

PPs, please get mental health help for your anxiety. You need to learn better coping skills than your impetuous demands for everyone to unmask because of your inability to flex. I am sad for you that you are mentally ill but you need to help yourselves. None of us can force you to make the call that will help you. You can do it, PPs. We have faith in you!

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Anonymous wrote:Talk about hyperbolic, PPs. No one has said "endless." We're only saying that we need masks right now because it is a proven safety measure.

PPs, please get mental health help for your anxiety. You need to learn better coping skills than your impetuous demands for everyone to unmask because of your inability to flex. I am sad for you that you are mentally ill but you need to help yourselves. None of us can force you to make the call that will help you. You can do it, PPs. We have faith in you!

It is not a "proven safety measure" amongst kids (and adults is very speculative - there's not been a single RCT that shows masks work in adults, and 14 RCTs showed they don't work for the flu).

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Anonymous wrote:Wishing a slow and very painful end to all of you wanting endless masking and using children as guinea pigs in a worldwide medical experiment.

+1M!

LOL, somebody's got a case of the Monday's. Hope your day and life improves.

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The group most likely pushing this "masking until no cases" is Smart Restart. They were big on pushing for schools to be closed last year (not until schools were "safe" with completely unrealistic metrics), and now they're pushing masking forever (not until Zero COVID is achieved, a similarly unrealistic metric). Just check out their Twitter account and their burner account Arl_Star. Many of the conversations posted on DCUM will get referenced by those social media accounts.

Some things these social media accounts have posted just since the start of school:
* They've compared wearing masks to a "holy war"
* They've praised New Zealand for doing a military-style lockdown of the entire country over 1 case
* They've criticized a leading Professor from Harvard, Joseph Allen, for saying universities that are 99% vaccinated shouldn't have to mask anymore and shouldn't be doing strict mitigation methods over 15 cases (like a leading university did).
* They're now similarly beating the drum about Wakefield having 20+ cases, in a student population that is probably over 90% vaccinated

As you see in the lack of logic on this site, they are not accepting COVID will be endemic. They want our kids to be lonely warriors in their religious mission, while kids throughout the US and the world return to normal.

This organization is not led by a scientist, but by a woman who owns a stationery company. They have adopted COVID as a religion. When you state that kids need to return to normal, it's essentially like you're arguing with a fervent religious person that their religion is not real.

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Anonymous wrote:The group most likely pushing this "masking until no cases" is Smart Restart. They were big on pushing for schools to be closed last year (not until schools were "safe" with completely unrealistic metrics), and now they're pushing masking forever (not until Zero COVID is achieved, a similarly unrealistic metric). Just check out their Twitter account and their burner account Arl_Star. Many of the conversations posted on DCUM will get referenced by those social media accounts.

Some things these social media accounts have posted just since the start of school:
* They've compared wearing masks to a "holy war"
* They've praised New Zealand for doing a military-style lockdown of the entire country over 1 case
* They've criticized a leading Professor from Harvard, Joseph Allen, for saying universities that are 99% vaccinated shouldn't have to mask anymore and shouldn't be doing strict mitigation methods over 15 cases (like a leading university did).
* They're now similarly beating the drum about Wakefield having 20+ cases, in a student population that is probably over 90% vaccinated

As you see in the lack of logic on this site, they are not accepting COVID will be endemic. They want our kids to be lonely warriors in their religious mission, while kids throughout the US and the world return to normal.

This organization is not led by a scientist, but by a woman who owns a stationery company. They have adopted COVID as a religion. When you state that kids need to return to normal, it's essentially like you're arguing with a fervent religious person that their religion is not real.

LOL, somebody's got a case of the Monday's. Hope your day and life improves.