DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

Tell me boys and girls.

Name one quality U15 NOVA ECNL team that will resemble the quality of an ECNL team 2 years ago.

Name one quality U14 NOVA ECNL team that will resemble the quality of an ECNL team 2 years ago.

Name one quality U13 NOVA ECNL team that will resemble the quality of an ECNL team 2 years ago.

I'll be waiting

[Anonymous]

For the 2018-2019 season...04, 05, 06

[Anonymous]

Whole thing is a watered down mess all around. Ugh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When top clubs who have a history of creating great players at all levels are leaving (PDA, Hawks, Ecplise, Stars, Indy Fire) after just a year the alarm bells need to be going off for you benighted parents. Other great clubs, Ohio Elite, TSC, Match Fit said no from the start, all for a very good reason.

The DA sales cart filled with magic elixir, has gone way off course. Enjoy your ride.

Straight from the ECNL PR department. How many of the players from the clubs leaving PDA are leaving PDA to stay in the DA? Quite a few. Now why would they do that if ECNL and PDA are top dogs? Do your research. Ecnl better watch it’s back with new EDP league. ECNL may end up third tier. EDP is run by smarter people.

That's certainly why VDA players are looking at FCV and Spirit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only saw about half of Mclean's current 05 ECNL (and green) girls at try-outs. Rumor mill says they are going Arlington, Spirit, VDA. Also, hard to tell with Mclean who is staying & going since players are asked to attend try-outs regardless of their plans for next year.

oohh weeee. This is going to be interesting.

So what's the scoop on those 05s? Friend's DD plays there, but they're not giving up any info.

Some 05G news:
Arlington lost 3 to Mclean ECNL, and 3 from Mclean came to Arlington. Mclean parents have said the many from the team left for other clubs. Arlington still hasn't filled its roster. They invited some girls to practice this week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tell me boys and girls.

Name one quality U15 NOVA ECNL team that will resemble the quality of an ECNL team 2 years ago.

Name one quality U14 NOVA ECNL team that will resemble the quality of an ECNL team 2 years ago.

Name one quality U13 NOVA ECNL team that will resemble the quality of an ECNL team 2 years ago.

I'll be waiting

The BRYC 03s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you have any current news? That happened five years ago.

Cedar Stars (DA) is better than PDA (ECNL). So who cares?

Off your meds?

A dose of reality for you.

DA standings...
U15
PDA 1st place
Cedar Stars 4th

U16/17
PDA 2nd
Cedar Stars 7th

U18/10
PDA 1st
Cedar Stars 6th

I only care about u14. Where the DA truly starts going forward. Tell me...whats their ranking?

I do not share your view that the DA starts at U14, though they will get more benefit than their older counterparts. But let's be real: any girl who has a full season of soccer and skips high school gets the benefit. That includes U15s. And for sophomores, they only missed one season. They will still have 3 years within the program, etc etc. Obviously, the older the girl, the less she will benefit, but let's just start with U15s as they - like the U14s - will enjoy never missing 6 months of quality soccer for high school soccer. For them, they will get 4-5 years of DA development (depending on the grade). That's a long time for a youth player.

Moreover, there is player movement away from ECNLs to DAs from all age groups. I know of girls who left ECNL teams to go to Spirit or VDA. When VDA left the DA to step down to the ECNL, VDA players looking for the DA experience tried out at FCV and Spirit.

I haven't addressed this before, but I have noticed a continual line of thinking that only U14 and down in the DA matters. That only they represent the future of the DA. While of course, the longer they are in the system, the better, it's a bit premature to throw away those players spending years in the system, just because they are older than probably the age of your own DD.

That said, to answer your question, Cedar Stars U14 beat PDA U14, FCV U14, and even FC Stars U14. I too think Cedar Stars will benefit from PDA's choice. After all, they are only ~40 minutes away, and the boys' side of that program has been a strong DA for a while (Cedar Stars Bergen at least).

[Anonymous]

I say DA truly starts at U14 (04) because a lot of the current 03s were freshman when the DA came about. They are entering their recruiting years. A lot appear to have stuck with their ECNL team vs leave for an uncertain DA team. However, that may change going into year 2 of DA and watching ECNL weaken in NOVA. VDA and Mclean are prime examples of clubs losing some ECNL players.

The true MASS movment started with the 04s and the trend looks to be continuing with the 05s and below. There wasn't a mass movement with 03s and above ECNL players in year 1 of DA. Although, there is and was some.

BRYC 03 will dominate in a weak ECNL division next year. They won't be challenged until they leave this region and face outside teams. There will not be an 04 or 05 ECNL team in NOVA next year better then what can be found in EDP at a reduced cost.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I say DA truly starts at U14 (04) because a lot of the current 03s were freshman when the DA came about. They are entering their recruiting years. A lot appear to have stuck with their ECNL team vs leave for an uncertain DA team. However, that may change going into year 2 of DA and watching ECNL weaken in NOVA. VDA and Mclean are prime examples of clubs losing some ECNL players.

The true MASS movment started with the 04s and the trend looks to be continuing with the 05s and below. There wasn't a mass movement with 03s and above ECNL players in year 1 of DA. Although, there is and was some.

BRYC 03 will dominate in a weak ECNL division next year. They won't be challenged until they leave this region and face outside teams. There will not be an 04 or 05 ECNL team in NOVA next year better then what can be found in EDP at a reduced cost.

That's a rather blanket statement that is not proved out just by the NWSL academies alone - across the country. Spirit is just one example, of which its U17 team is largely loaded with at least 7 top BRYC players that could have stayed and placed in the ECNL. La Galaxy has done decent for itself, and it's also a brand new DA. It might be better to avoid such carte blanche statements.

If you want to make a case for the DA gaining momentum with time, I'm with you. If you want to make a case for the DA gaining a firmer foothold with time, I'm with you. If you want to make a case that the 04s and down will benefit more, I'm with you. But that's as far as I can go. Too many players older than U14 have themselves out on just as much a limb, maybe more so for the 02s and up. Freshman year is still not a heavy recruitment year. And yet, the scouts have shown up in droves to look at all the DA teams, and players have been recruiting through their new DA teams, including several Spirit players who have even gotten full rides after joining their DA teams.

Besides, even the U14s didn't seem to draw all the top talent, so if you are alluding to that time when the DA will have its full impact, maybe we have go further out to the 06s or 07s for that matter. NTCs are hardly dominated by DA girls quite yet - at any age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I say DA truly starts at U14 (04) because a lot of the current 03s were freshman when the DA came about. They are entering their recruiting years. A lot appear to have stuck with their ECNL team vs leave for an uncertain DA team. However, that may change going into year 2 of DA and watching ECNL weaken in NOVA. VDA and Mclean are prime examples of clubs losing some ECNL players.

The true MASS movment started with the 04s and the trend looks to be continuing with the 05s and below. There wasn't a mass movement with 03s and above ECNL players in year 1 of DA. Although, there is and was some.

BRYC 03 will dominate in a weak ECNL division next year. They won't be challenged until they leave this region and face outside teams. There will not be an 04 or 05 ECNL team in NOVA next year better then what can be found in EDP at a reduced cost.

That's a rather blanket statement that is not proved out just by the NWSL academies alone - across the country. Spirit is just one example, of which its U17 team is largely loaded with at least 7 top BRYC players that could have stayed and placed in the ECNL. La Galaxy has done decent for itself, and it's also a brand new DA. It might be better to avoid such carte blanche statements.

If you want to make a case for the DA gaining momentum with time, I'm with you. If you want to make a case for the DA gaining a firmer foothold with time, I'm with you. If you want to make a case that the 04s and down will benefit more, I'm with you. But that's as far as I can go. Too many players older than U14 have themselves out on just as much a limb, maybe more so for the 02s and up. Freshman year is still not a heavy recruitment year. And yet, the scouts have shown up in droves to look at all the DA teams, and players have been recruiting through their new DA teams, including several Spirit players who have even gotten full rides after joining their DA teams.

Besides, even the U14s didn't seem to draw all the top talent, so if you are alluding to that time when the DA will have its full impact, maybe we have go further out to the 06s or 07s for that matter. NTCs are hardly dominated by DA girls quite yet - at any age.

It is indisputable where the momentum lies between DA and ECNL nationally and locally. The only question is how strong the momentum in DAs favor is. The answer varies depending on region. Here, the DA is starting to distance itself over ECNL at 04 and younger for the reasons stated by many and it will accelerate. The ECNL adding so many clubs isn’t helping it. This area cannot support 10 “elite” teams. 2 years ago it was 4. Add to that top player movement to DA, coaching upgrades at the DAs that have begun and double or more the amount of training at DA and the end result should be pretty obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I say DA truly starts at U14 (04) because a lot of the current 03s were freshman when the DA came about. They are entering their recruiting years. A lot appear to have stuck with their ECNL team vs leave for an uncertain DA team. However, that may change going into year 2 of DA and watching ECNL weaken in NOVA. VDA and Mclean are prime examples of clubs losing some ECNL players.

The true MASS movment started with the 04s and the trend looks to be continuing with the 05s and below. There wasn't a mass movement with 03s and above ECNL players in year 1 of DA. Although, there is and was some.

BRYC 03 will dominate in a weak ECNL division next year. They won't be challenged until they leave this region and face outside teams. There will not be an 04 or 05 ECNL team in NOVA next year better then what can be found in EDP at a reduced cost.

That's a rather blanket statement that is not proved out just by the NWSL academies alone - across the country. Spirit is just one example, of which its U17 team is largely loaded with at least 7 top BRYC players that could have stayed and placed in the ECNL. La Galaxy has done decent for itself, and it's also a brand new DA. It might be better to avoid such carte blanche statements.

If you want to make a case for the DA gaining momentum with time, I'm with you. If you want to make a case for the DA gaining a firmer foothold with time, I'm with you. If you want to make a case that the 04s and down will benefit more, I'm with you. But that's as far as I can go. Too many players older than U14 have themselves out on just as much a limb, maybe more so for the 02s and up. Freshman year is still not a heavy recruitment year. And yet, the scouts have shown up in droves to look at all the DA teams, and players have been recruiting through their new DA teams, including several Spirit players who have even gotten full rides after joining their DA teams.

Besides, even the U14s didn't seem to draw all the top talent, so if you are alluding to that time when the DA will have its full impact, maybe we have go further out to the 06s or 07s for that matter. NTCs are hardly dominated by DA girls quite yet - at any age.

It is indisputable where the momentum lies between DA and ECNL nationally and locally. The only question is how strong the momentum in DAs favor is. The answer varies depending on region. Here, the DA is starting to distance itself over ECNL at 04 and younger for the reasons stated by many and it will accelerate. The ECNL adding so many clubs isn’t helping it. This area cannot support 10 “elite” teams. 2 years ago it was 4. Add to that top player movement to DA, coaching upgrades at the DAs that have begun and double or more the amount of training at DA and the end result should be pretty obvious.

We shall have to agree to disagree. There is not enough data to support that the 04 age is where the rubber meets the road, if the DA 04s from this year compared to other age groups are any indication. I shall be interested to see how the 05s and 06s turn out. Other than that, we are in agreement.

As for this upcoming year, there has been player movement most notably from 03s on down, but even some 02s have moved from ECNLs to DAs (BRYC and VDA).

[Anonymous]

I don't know why I didn't pick up on this sooner, but check out the Michigan Hawks statement about dropping the GDA:

Furthermore, next year we will be adding to our training by increasing the amount of film study and GPS usage. That coupled with the Medsport program that will address performance, prevention and return to play of our players, we are confident that our players will continue to move forward.

There are risks involved with making this decision much like when we implemented 10-month programming. But, after weighing out the pros and cons, I believe that this is the right decision for our players and our club. It will be up to us, players, parents, and staff to make this work



So they hated the DA because of the 10 month season and because of the no high school rule, but now they are going to have one of their 2 ECNL teams have a 10 month season and no high school? And I love how they added on film study time and increased training. No, where in the world did they come up with that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only saw about half of Mclean's current 05 ECNL (and green) girls at try-outs. Rumor mill says they are going Arlington, Spirit, VDA. Also, hard to tell with Mclean who is staying & going since players are asked to attend try-outs regardless of their plans for next year.

oohh weeee. This is going to be interesting.

So what's the scoop on those 05s? Friend's DD plays there, but they're not giving up any info.

Some 05G news:
Arlington lost 3 to Mclean ECNL, and 3 from Mclean came to Arlington. Mclean parents have said the many from the team left for other clubs. Arlington still hasn't filled its roster. They invited some girls to practice this week.

The 3 for 3 swap pretty even? or who got the better set?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you have any current news? That happened five years ago.

Yeah. I have some current news.

Mclean ECNL is collapsing.

ECNL in Northern Virginia, as predicted is collapsing

You are still a clown

This is not NJ and Mclean is not PDA.

Cedar Stars (DA) is better than PDA (ECNL). So who cares?

Enjoy playing those B team Carolina clubs

Have fun beating up on Loudoun

da guy is right: at young ages players are leaving mclean to go elsewhere, mainly WS or arljngton for da

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you have any current news? That happened five years ago.

Yeah. I have some current news.

Mclean ECNL is collapsing.

ECNL in Northern Virginia, as predicted is collapsing

You are still a clown

This is not NJ and Mclean is not PDA.

Cedar Stars (DA) is better than PDA (ECNL). So who cares?

Enjoy playing those B team Carolina clubs

Have fun beating up on Loudoun

da guy is right: at young ages players are leaving mclean to go elsewhere, mainly WS or arljngton for da