Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.

“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.

Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.

Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.

Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?

No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway

You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.

Right but everyone sometimes has to deal with boundary changes that slightly change their median income, that's just life and doesn't really a meaningful impact on most people/schools most of the time. Wootton people have been talking about how option H boundaries would radically change the nature of Wootton, which mostly only happens when you add hundreds of FARMS kids to a school, so that's what I assumed was happening. Is that not right? If it's just a mild increase in FARMS rates/decrease in average income, who cares?

I don’t think it’s a mild increase. Of course I can’t find the chart now but I could have sworn it would be going from like 15% to 30% or something like that. I definitely could be wrong but I remember when I Saw the numbers, it wasn’t that mild.

No it’s mild. People who think it’s not mild either don’t understand what crown is like or carefully read the data charts. Of course Rockville and crown are not that close so many do not understand crown is a rich area.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.

“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.

Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.

Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.

Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?

No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway

You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.

Right but everyone sometimes has to deal with boundary changes that slightly change their median income, that's just life and doesn't really a meaningful impact on most people/schools most of the time. Wootton people have been talking about how option H boundaries would radically change the nature of Wootton, which mostly only happens when you add hundreds of FARMS kids to a school, so that's what I assumed was happening. Is that not right? If it's just a mild increase in FARMS rates/decrease in average income, who cares?

I really don't know what they're worried about. Again, I think it is mostly a few people spreading FUD who live across the street from current Wootton.

Though, you might get 150-200 FARMS moving in with Fields Rd. Still isn't going to change the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.

“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.

Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.

Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.

Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?

No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway

You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.

Right but everyone sometimes has to deal with boundary changes that slightly change their median income, that's just life and doesn't really a meaningful impact on most people/schools most of the time. Wootton people have been talking about how option H boundaries would radically change the nature of Wootton, which mostly only happens when you add hundreds of FARMS kids to a school, so that's what I assumed was happening. Is that not right? If it's just a mild increase in FARMS rates/decrease in average income, who cares?

Holy crap. I just went to look it up myself and option H changes Wootton from 14.0% FARMS to 14.8% FARMS. That is what they are freaking out about? What the heck is wrong with those people?

It's all stereotypes. Different Wootton families have different motivations. i'm personally sympathetic to those who are currenly walkers and would suddenly be miles away from their school. But among those worried about more diversity or more FARMS, it's all stereotypes. Just a visceral reaction to the word Gaithersburg.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.

“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.

Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.

Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.

Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?

No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway

You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.

Right but everyone sometimes has to deal with boundary changes that slightly change their median income, that's just life and doesn't really a meaningful impact on most people/schools most of the time. Wootton people have been talking about how option H boundaries would radically change the nature of Wootton, which mostly only happens when you add hundreds of FARMS kids to a school, so that's what I assumed was happening. Is that not right? If it's just a mild increase in FARMS rates/decrease in average income, who cares?

I don’t think it’s a mild increase. Of course I can’t find the chart now but I could have sworn it would be going from like 15% to 30% or something like that. I definitely could be wrong but I remember when I Saw the numbers, it wasn’t that mild.

They are freaking out and crying about going from 14.0% to 14.8% FARMS. In a county with an average FARMS rate of 43%. It is gross.

You're the one being disingenuous. Nobody would worry about this mild change if they’re aware of it. They worry about many other things

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

Saw it numerous times in this post.

I think what has seemed entitled is that there were a lot of Wootton families who didn't like the first set of options and complained that none of them fixed their building problem which was the biggest deal ever. Then Option H came out, which seemingly solves both problems (keeps the community together and provides a new building) and there was squawking about not wanting to be with Gaithersburg HS students or to lose "W" status from a new name. And then a lot of statements that if your kid doesn't go to Wootton or Crown, it shouldn't concern you... not recognizing that this is but one piece in a bigger puzzle that affects everyone on this side of the county. Option H reverberates to almost every family in this half of the redistricting map. It's the whole sequence of complaints and retorts that has seemed entitled.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.

“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.

Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.

Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.

Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?

No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway

You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.

Right but everyone sometimes has to deal with boundary changes that slightly change their median income, that's just life and doesn't really a meaningful impact on most people/schools most of the time. Wootton people have been talking about how option H boundaries would radically change the nature of Wootton, which mostly only happens when you add hundreds of FARMS kids to a school, so that's what I assumed was happening. Is that not right? If it's just a mild increase in FARMS rates/decrease in average income, who cares?

I don’t think it’s a mild increase. Of course I can’t find the chart now but I could have sworn it would be going from like 15% to 30% or something like that. I definitely could be wrong but I remember when I Saw the numbers, it wasn’t that mild.

They are freaking out and crying about going from 14.0% to 14.8% FARMS. In a county with an average FARMS rate of 43%. It is gross.

You're the one being disingenuous. Nobody would worry about this mild change if they’re aware of it. They worry about many other things

It's been complained about over and over again in just the last few pages of this post. People talking about the boundary change making Wootton worse, using the baseball analogy and talking about Wootton having to absorb inferior players from a worse team, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

Saw it numerous times in this post.

I think what has seemed entitled is that there were a lot of Wootton families who didn't like the first set of options and complained that none of them fixed their building problem which was the biggest deal ever. Then Option H came out, which seemingly solves both problems (keeps the community together and provides a new building) and there was squawking about not wanting to be with Gaithersburg HS students or to lose "W" status from a new name. And then a lot of statements that if your kid doesn't go to Wootton or Crown, it shouldn't concern you... not recognizing that this is but one piece in a bigger puzzle that affects everyone on this side of the county. Option H reverberates to almost every family in this half of the redistricting map. It's the whole sequence of complaints and retorts that has seemed entitled.

You mix up the CIP testimony and option 1-4, A-D. Nobody was complaining the options don’t fix Wootton. Wootton PTSA was testifying in CIP hearing the same time as A-D was out. They’re testifying because this year Wootton was removed from CIP. But then MCPS is the one who mixed boundary study and CIP issues to introduce option E-H just shortly after A-D

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

Saw it numerous times in this post.

I think what has seemed entitled is that there were a lot of Wootton families who didn't like the first set of options and complained that none of them fixed their building problem which was the biggest deal ever. Then Option H came out, which seemingly solves both problems (keeps the community together and provides a new building) and there was squawking about not wanting to be with Gaithersburg HS students or to lose "W" status from a new name. And then a lot of statements that if your kid doesn't go to Wootton or Crown, it shouldn't concern you... not recognizing that this is but one piece in a bigger puzzle that affects everyone on this side of the county. Option H reverberates to almost every family in this half of the redistricting map. It's the whole sequence of complaints and retorts that has seemed entitled.

You mix up the CIP testimony and option 1-4, A-D. Nobody was complaining the options don’t fix Wootton. Wootton PTSA was testifying in CIP hearing the same time as A-D was out. They’re testifying because this year Wootton was removed from CIP. But then MCPS is the one who mixed boundary study and CIP issues to introduce option E-H just shortly after A-D

I also want to add that after Wootton was removed from the CIP, and with Taylor stating that making Crown the holding school was the only option to allow Wootton to be renovated, there was significant support at the time for Crown to serve as the holding school. That support later backfired when Option H emerged. It now feels like Wootton is being boxed in by MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

Saw it numerous times in this post.

I think what has seemed entitled is that there were a lot of Wootton families who didn't like the first set of options and complained that none of them fixed their building problem which was the biggest deal ever. Then Option H came out, which seemingly solves both problems (keeps the community together and provides a new building) and there was squawking about not wanting to be with Gaithersburg HS students or to lose "W" status from a new name. And then a lot of statements that if your kid doesn't go to Wootton or Crown, it shouldn't concern you... not recognizing that this is but one piece in a bigger puzzle that affects everyone on this side of the county. Option H reverberates to almost every family in this half of the redistricting map. It's the whole sequence of complaints and retorts that has seemed entitled.

You mix up the CIP testimony and option 1-4, A-D. Nobody was complaining the options don’t fix Wootton. Wootton PTSA was testifying in CIP hearing the same time as A-D was out. They’re testifying because this year Wootton was removed from CIP. But then MCPS is the one who mixed boundary study and CIP issues to introduce option E-H just shortly after A-D

I also want to add that after Wootton was removed from the CIP, and with Taylor stating that making Crown the holding school was the only option to allow Wootton to be renovated, there was significant support at the time for Crown to serve as the holding school. That support later backfired when Option H emerged. It now feels like Wootton is being boxed in by MCPS.

Why should we pay to renovate Wootton when there's a perfectly good brand new school a few miles away?

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.

“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.

Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.

Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.

Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?

No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway

You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.

Give me the data. I don’t believe people affording 2million dollar SFH and 1 million townhouses have lower income. Most of us at Wootton cannot afford these. We’re not Whitman or Churchill. People moving to crown just value the condition of house more than the school. Now if Wootton moves to crown, they’ll benefit from both. Nice new houses with good school.

Median household income by Census tract
Montgomery County Median: $128,733

Crown:
BG 3, Tract 7008.39, Montgomery, MD- $153,929

Wootton
BG 2, Tract 7010.06, Montgomery, MD- $238,319
BG 3, Tract 7010.06, Montgomery, MD- $142,679
BG 1, Tract 7010.06, Montgomery, MD- $183,942
BG 1, Tract 7012.21, Montgomery, MD- $250,001
BG 3, Tract 7006.18, Montgomery, MD- $199,559
BG 1, Tract 7006.17, Montgomery, MD- $181,042
BG 1, Tract 7006.06, Montgomery, MD- $145,625
BG 3, Tract 7006.06, Montgomery, MD- $191,250
BG 2, Tract 7006.06, Montgomery, MD- $152,500
BG 4, Tract 7006.08, Montgomery, MD- $147,353
BG 1, Tract 7012.20, Montgomery, MD- $231,071
BG 2, Tract 7012.10, Montgomery, MD- $229,674
BG 3, Tract 7012.10, Montgomery, MD- $250,001

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.

“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.

Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.

Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.

Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?

No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway

You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.

Right but everyone sometimes has to deal with boundary changes that slightly change their median income, that's just life and doesn't really a meaningful impact on most people/schools most of the time. Wootton people have been talking about how option H boundaries would radically change the nature of Wootton, which mostly only happens when you add hundreds of FARMS kids to a school, so that's what I assumed was happening. Is that not right? If it's just a mild increase in FARMS rates/decrease in average income, who cares?

Holy crap. I just went to look it up myself and option H changes Wootton from 14.0% FARMS to 14.8% FARMS. That is what they are freaking out about? What the heck is wrong with those people?

That percentage is accounting for fields road as well? I am asking because if H does go through there is no way it’s going through without that school added.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.

“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.

Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.

Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.

Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?

No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway

You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.

Right but everyone sometimes has to deal with boundary changes that slightly change their median income, that's just life and doesn't really a meaningful impact on most people/schools most of the time. Wootton people have been talking about how option H boundaries would radically change the nature of Wootton, which mostly only happens when you add hundreds of FARMS kids to a school, so that's what I assumed was happening. Is that not right? If it's just a mild increase in FARMS rates/decrease in average income, who cares?

Holy crap. I just went to look it up myself and option H changes Wootton from 14.0% FARMS to 14.8% FARMS. That is what they are freaking out about? What the heck is wrong with those people?

That percentage is accounting for fields road as well? I am asking because if H does go through there is no way it’s going through without that school added.

It does not include Fields Road. And yes, I agree Fields Road would be added. There's enough excess capacity in Crown/Wootton to add them.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

Saw it numerous times in this post.

I think what has seemed entitled is that there were a lot of Wootton families who didn't like the first set of options and complained that none of them fixed their building problem which was the biggest deal ever. Then Option H came out, which seemingly solves both problems (keeps the community together and provides a new building) and there was squawking about not wanting to be with Gaithersburg HS students or to lose "W" status from a new name. And then a lot of statements that if your kid doesn't go to Wootton or Crown, it shouldn't concern you... not recognizing that this is but one piece in a bigger puzzle that affects everyone on this side of the county. Option H reverberates to almost every family in this half of the redistricting map. It's the whole sequence of complaints and retorts that has seemed entitled.

You mix up the CIP testimony and option 1-4, A-D. Nobody was complaining the options don’t fix Wootton. Wootton PTSA was testifying in CIP hearing the same time as A-D was out. They’re testifying because this year Wootton was removed from CIP. But then MCPS is the one who mixed boundary study and CIP issues to introduce option E-H just shortly after A-D

I also want to add that after Wootton was removed from the CIP, and with Taylor stating that making Crown the holding school was the only option to allow Wootton to be renovated, there was significant support at the time for Crown to serve as the holding school. That support later backfired when Option H emerged. It now feels like Wootton is being boxed in by MCPS.

Why should we pay to renovate Wootton when there's a perfectly good brand new school a few miles away?

Again it’s the same people repeating the sane comments over and over again. just read the original multiple responses to your question.

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So realistically we have 3 totally different clusters being sent to the same high school with H? WHS, GHS and QOHS. Have we ever seen something like that before in MCPS? I know it happens with MS with CJ having kids form both Churchill and Wootton but I don’t think it’s happened with a high school before?

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Anonymous wrote:Let's picture a world where major league baseball was a not for profit organization. Everything would be done for the good of the game only. in this scenario, the league would have even more incentive to preserve successful teams like the Yankees and their legacy.

It is not in the best interests of MCPS to "Disappear" one of their most successful schools. It lowers the overall quality of the school system.

We at Wootton are not entitled. Let someone else have the new building. Giving it to us would be taking from those who need the new building more. We are fine where we are with minor repairs.

People will accuse Wootton of being entitled no matter what. Take the crown, you’re entitled.” Refuse to move, you’re entitled.” Apparently, simply existing as a successful high school in MoCo is enough to be labeled wrong

haven't see a post that states: "If Wootton parents get Crown, they are entitled."

They exist. And there was a whole video of kids from Gaithersburg presented to MCPS saying don’t take our school. Wootton families done want Crown, Gaithersburg families do. Why are people on this thread forcing something that the most affected people DON’T want? Option H doesn’t make the most sense when you consider it from their perspective.

“But it’s for the good of MCPS” and “MCPS can’t afford to fix Wootton”. Neither of these is true. Erasing a proven, top performing school with one that might, someday (unlikely) reach that same level of achievement isn’t in the best interests of MCPS as a whole. Likewise, MCPS can afford remediation of Wootton (not a full renovation). Do a zero base budgeting exercise within MCPS and suddenly tens of millions of dollars will be found.

Doesn't H send both Gaithersburg and Wootton families to Crown? (Obviously not 100% of Gaithersburg families to Crown, but no option would.). Seems pretty win-win to me.

Only the richest part of Gaithersburg and very few people in Gaithersburg would benefit from it as Wootton would take away majority of the seats. Gaithersburg high will be less diverse too with the richest area leaving.

Oh weird, I thought from all the Wootton folks complaining that it was poor kids from Gaithersburg that would be going to the new Wootton (Crown) under option H. Are Wootton families just that elitist that they can't stand any families that aren't super rich?

No, crown people are super rich. Certainly richer than most of Wootton. Wootton doesn’t have that many 2 million dollars single family houses and 1 million townhouses. But crown does. I’m not sure who’s more elitist. But that doesn’t mean they are ok with moving. You can’t dismiss all the valid points on wanting to keep Wootton on Wootton parkway

You're being disingenuous. Yes, there are some very expensive homes in Crown, just like there are some very expensive homes in Wootton's current boundaries. Overall, the median income of people that moved into Wootton at Crown from Gaithersburg would be lower than current Wootton's median income. I'm sure you know that.

Right but everyone sometimes has to deal with boundary changes that slightly change their median income, that's just life and doesn't really a meaningful impact on most people/schools most of the time. Wootton people have been talking about how option H boundaries would radically change the nature of Wootton, which mostly only happens when you add hundreds of FARMS kids to a school, so that's what I assumed was happening. Is that not right? If it's just a mild increase in FARMS rates/decrease in average income, who cares?

Holy crap. I just went to look it up myself and option H changes Wootton from 14.0% FARMS to 14.8% FARMS. That is what they are freaking out about? What the heck is wrong with those people?

That percentage is accounting for fields road as well? I am asking because if H does go through there is no way it’s going through without that school added.

It does not include Fields Road. And yes, I agree Fields Road would be added. There's enough excess capacity in Crown/Wootton to add them.

Okay, it's kind of crazy to oppose option H because of a boundary change that isn't even in option H. But even if they added Fields Road, that would bump up the Wootton FARMS rate from 14% to like 19% or so. In a county where the average FARMS rate is 43%.