Hayfield Football Coach Fired

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Anonymous wrote:Great (and encouraging) that there are still groups of adults willing to stand up for what’s right (Fairfax City board and these coaches who are doing things the right way and serving as honest role models for our kids).

This is not remotely about football. This is about standing up for having integrity, being honest, being fair and following the rules (no matter what the industry).

Why didn't the Mt. Vernon coach sign the letter? All the other coaches did.

Or Madison coach

Looks like minus Edison coach all the other coaches have something to lose?

Isn't Madison in a different district?

Still FCPS school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The coaches didn't have a lot of time to put together a meeting with every coach in FCPS, probably the coaches who knew each other got together and discussed it.

Mighty funny that the coaches that got together are the ones in playoffs

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids really live in the Hayfield district there would be no problem, right? Is the issue that everyone thinks they (the new recruits) gave fake addresses to play for the Hayfield coach? What if they all actually rented apartments in the district to attend Hayfield - would that be okay? In the end, it is just a bunch of kids who want to play football . . . they are going to play somewhere. Not sure adults should be punishing kids by taking away their high school sport (even if parents cheated with fake addresses).

Is this post for real? Or trolling?

It seems to sum up the entirety of the defense of Hatfield's conduct. With nonsense.

If this was the response in court, no wonder the judge issued a TRO. Strike as non-responsive/answer the questions, counsel.

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The judge ruled on a legal technicality, not on any actual facts. Judge ruled that VHSL didn't follow one of its procedural steps correctly.

The judge ruled on multiple things not just the fact that VHSL didn't follow it's own steps. Does anybody actually care that the judge asked the VHSL point blank, "Did you do an investigation" and VHSL's replay was "No, we believe that XYZ occurred". I really wish people would stop spreading the false information that VHSL actually did anything aside from issue a punishment. The athletes that VHSL did not clear, have not played a single down this year for Hayfield. Which is why they can't/couldn't go the eligibility route, because no ineligible players have played.

The reason the Hayfield parents went the court route is because nobody to include VHSL wants to operate with the facts. Everybody wants to operate on the optics, misleading articles and emotional mindset of individuals that are in position of power. You simple can NOT take action against somebody because you feel like the did something wrong. You actually have to show what they did wrong and repeating that 50 students transferred from his previous school is very catchy builds strong opinions, you still have to show that at least 1 of the 50 operated outside of the rules. I personally believe if FCPS, VHSL and mother Theresa could have shown that 1 student operated illegally they would be building a case around THAT, but we haven't seen that yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s be real transparent here, and this is just one case, but a lot of sports from travel baseball, lacrosse, aau basketball and soccer have these same issues, it’s just a matter of what school decides to come forward. EVERY coach has an ego, and no better way to prove your metal than championships,which lead to better opportunities,it’s really rather simple. Football just rules the roost as far as most popular sport.

No other coach schedules like Overton, and when I say that, how many coaches would take a program of 50 kids and schedule a powerhouse program like DeMatha unless you believed in your kids and or system. Not one other above average program in this area would because they don’t want to risk their wins and losses, but they will beat up on local subpar teams and call themselves great.

I’m not saying he’s perfect, but I understand why these other coaches and programs don’t or let’s say would rather not play him/them.

He didn't have a program of 50 random kids at Freedom. If he did, they would have struggled under him the same way they are struggling this year with their ZONED PLAYERS.

Are you sure? Were you there on staff? How are you more sure than I.

Oh look a Freefield coach! You know you wrong

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The coaches didn't have a lot of time to put together a meeting with every coach in FCPS, probably the coaches who knew each other got together and discussed it.

Mighty funny that the coaches that got together are the ones in playoffs

What isn't funny is how badly your ELA teachers failed you. I feel bad for you.

[Anonymous]

Isn’t the obvious solution here to go to a higher court to get the injunction overturned, and reinstate the ban ? County circuit is lowest possible court.

Can a Va lawyer answer this ?

P.S. All the name calling/personal attacks are useless. Grow up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great (and encouraging) that there are still groups of adults willing to stand up for what’s right (Fairfax City board and these coaches who are doing things the right way and serving as honest role models for our kids).

This is not remotely about football. This is about standing up for having integrity, being honest, being fair and following the rules (no matter what the industry).

Why didn't the Mt. Vernon coach sign the letter? All the other coaches did.

How do you know who signed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The coaches didn't have a lot of time to put together a meeting with every coach in FCPS, probably the coaches who knew each other got together and discussed it.

Mighty funny that the coaches that got together are the ones in playoffs

Well, who else would be considering forfeiting? Use some common sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great (and encouraging) that there are still groups of adults willing to stand up for what’s right (Fairfax City board and these coaches who are doing things the right way and serving as honest role models for our kids).

This is not remotely about football. This is about standing up for having integrity, being honest, being fair and following the rules (no matter what the industry).

Why didn't the Mt. Vernon coach sign the letter? All the other coaches did.

How do you know who signed?

The letter is in the Fairfax Times article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t the obvious solution here to go to a higher court to get the injunction overturned, and reinstate the ban ? County circuit is lowest possible court.

Can a Va lawyer answer this ?

P.S. All the name calling/personal attacks are useless. Grow up.

An attorney already responded and basically said the VHSL has a weak case and Hayfield has the better of the argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t the obvious solution here to go to a higher court to get the injunction overturned, and reinstate the ban ? County circuit is lowest possible court.

Can a Va lawyer answer this ?

P.S. All the name calling/personal attacks are useless. Grow up.

Some of these people are obviously the tweens or teens who think it's hilarious to lurk on DCUM.

Why what appear to be adults are responding to them is beyond me, however.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids really live in the Hayfield district there would be no problem, right? Is the issue that everyone thinks they (the new recruits) gave fake addresses to play for the Hayfield coach? What if they all actually rented apartments in the district to attend Hayfield - would that be okay? In the end, it is just a bunch of kids who want to play football . . . they are going to play somewhere. Not sure adults should be punishing kids by taking away their high school sport (even if parents cheated with fake addresses).

Is this post for real? Or trolling?

It seems to sum up the entirety of the defense of Hatfield's conduct. With nonsense.

If this was the response in court, no wonder the judge issued a TRO. Strike as non-responsive/answer the questions, counsel.

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The judge ruled on a legal technicality, not on any actual facts. Judge ruled that VHSL didn't follow one of its procedural steps correctly.

The judge ruled on multiple things not just the fact that VHSL didn't follow it's own steps. Does anybody actually care that the judge asked the VHSL point blank, "Did you do an investigation" and VHSL's replay was "No, we believe that XYZ occurred". I really wish people would stop spreading the false information that VHSL actually did anything aside from issue a punishment. The athletes that VHSL did not clear, have not played a single down this year for Hayfield. Which is why they can't/couldn't go the eligibility route, because no ineligible players have played.

The reason the Hayfield parents went the court route is because nobody to include VHSL wants to operate with the facts. Everybody wants to operate on the optics, misleading articles and emotional mindset of individuals that are in position of power. You simple can NOT take action against somebody because you feel like the did something wrong. You actually have to show what they did wrong and repeating that 50 students transferred from his previous school is very catchy builds strong opinions, you still have to show that at least 1 of the 50 operated outside of the rules. I personally believe if FCPS, VHSL and mother Theresa could have shown that 1 student operated illegally they would be building a case around THAT, but we haven't seen that yet.

You don't understand the legal process. The only ruling issued was the injunction, which the judge granted solely on the basis of VHSL's procedural error.
The judge made zero factual findings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s be real transparent here, and this is just one case, but a lot of sports from travel baseball, lacrosse, aau basketball and soccer have these same issues, it’s just a matter of what school decides to come forward. EVERY coach has an ego, and no better way to prove your metal than championships,which lead to better opportunities,it’s really rather simple. Football just rules the roost as far as most popular sport.

No other coach schedules like Overton, and when I say that, how many coaches would take a program of 50 kids and schedule a powerhouse program like DeMatha unless you believed in your kids and or system. Not one other above average program in this area would because they don’t want to risk their wins and losses, but they will beat up on local subpar teams and call themselves great.

I’m not saying he’s perfect, but I understand why these other coaches and programs don’t or let’s say would rather not play him/them.

He didn't have a program of 50 random kids at Freedom. If he did, they would have struggled under him the same way they are struggling this year with their ZONED PLAYERS.

Are you sure? Were you there on staff? How are you more sure than I.

Oh look a Freefield coach! You know you wrong

Nah hvnt coached in Ffx Cty in like 5 yrs but know these coaches very well having coached with and against

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! The fact that this thread has 153 pages says a lot about our society. It is sad to see so many adults arguing over a sport, and money that will be wasted in litigation. I get that there have been many issues, but sports are optional, and in the end, how many of these kids will go on to play in the NFL? Or maybe it is just me, and I am completely misinformed.
By the way, my daughters are multiple sport athletes as well, so we are 100% supportive of high school athletics, however, academics always come first.

Of course academics should come first, but school is much more than just academics and has been for a while. now. None of it is "optional."

My kid goes to Madison and the admin there has made changes that have made the academics of this school mediocre at best. Athletics is one of the few places left at this school where kids can learn about hard work, excellence, and what it takes to succeed. IMO, FCPS is no longer in the business of trying to provide a great education. Now they are ruining one of the few good things left. If Hayfield is allowed to play, what is stopping any school from recruiting a large number of students next year. When boundaries are changed, what’s stopping any student from doing the same thing as these students and going to whichever school they want.

You say that for a school that everyone knows recruits for baseball, so please stop the pity party show

I missed the investigative news series on Madison baseball recruiting. Could you link to it so I can catch up? Thanks

This is a rumor that has swirled for years. And I've heard others too. Maybe some paper should try and do a big investigative series into potential recruiting violations across many sports and for many schools in northern Virginia. I actually think there would be serious dirt amidst the jealousy about perpetual state champions.

Oh. So you don't actually have any proof or facts.

I wasn't PP who made the claim. Just someone who has heard the same rumor and others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the kids really live in the Hayfield district there would be no problem, right? Is the issue that everyone thinks they (the new recruits) gave fake addresses to play for the Hayfield coach? What if they all actually rented apartments in the district to attend Hayfield - would that be okay? In the end, it is just a bunch of kids who want to play football . . . they are going to play somewhere. Not sure adults should be punishing kids by taking away their high school sport (even if parents cheated with fake addresses).

Is this post for real? Or trolling?

It seems to sum up the entirety of the defense of Hatfield's conduct. With nonsense.

If this was the response in court, no wonder the judge issued a TRO. Strike as non-responsive/answer the questions, counsel.

\

The judge ruled on a legal technicality, not on any actual facts. Judge ruled that VHSL didn't follow one of its procedural steps correctly.

The judge ruled on multiple things not just the fact that VHSL didn't follow it's own steps. Does anybody actually care that the judge asked the VHSL point blank, "Did you do an investigation" and VHSL's replay was "No, we believe that XYZ occurred". I really wish people would stop spreading the false information that VHSL actually did anything aside from issue a punishment. The athletes that VHSL did not clear, have not played a single down this year for Hayfield. Which is why they can't/couldn't go the eligibility route, because no ineligible players have played.

The reason the Hayfield parents went the court route is because nobody to include VHSL wants to operate with the facts. Everybody wants to operate on the optics, misleading articles and emotional mindset of individuals that are in position of power. You simple can NOT take action against somebody because you feel like the did something wrong. You actually have to show what they did wrong and repeating that 50 students transferred from his previous school is very catchy builds strong opinions, you still have to show that at least 1 of the 50 operated outside of the rules. I personally believe if FCPS, VHSL and mother Theresa could have shown that 1 student operated illegally they would be building a case around THAT, but we haven't seen that yet.

FCPS was not trying to show that and so they didn't find anything wrong. But you would trust their findings?

Fwiw, the rules seem to be pretty clear, transferring properly or improperly because of a coach is against the rules. Buying or renting in a new school district because of COL, SAT scores, etc. are not. Those don't favor the transferring families, btw. Freedom HS has cheaper homes and higher SAT scores. Seems like Hayfield would have to rebut in court, to counter the assertion.