The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:I think Jack saved Portia’s life. He was probably supposed to kill her

He didn't strike me as a killer, just a hustler.

This. His "job" was to keep her busy and out of the way. As to whether he was attractive, his styling got worse and worse. He looked attractive in the beginning but by the end he was sweaty and greasy, made to drunk or hungover.

Then why didn’t he just say ok get out of the car, this is where I’m dropping you off. Why get out of the car, smoke a cigarette, look like he was conflicted, and say your smart don’t go back to the hotel, go straight to the airport and leave.

Because he's supposed to kill her or deliver her to be killed. And if she shows up on TV after talking to the police he's going to have to explain himself to people he is afraid of.

He was conflicted bc he was participating in Tanya's murder, IMO, and felt bad about it. I don't think he was preparing to kill Portia. They didn't show a gun or any weapon and they weren't anywhere hidden. Was he going to kill her in broad daylight on the side of a public highway?

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Anonymous wrote:Ethan was a bigger mark than Albie.

Harper played him like a fiddle with psychological manipulation to get what she wanted — her filthy rich weirdo husband wrapped around her finger and impregnating her.

Cameron and his wife orbited him to corrupt him and bring them all closer, so when they get back Ethan will wire a boatload of money to Cam to “manage”. Asset management is just a scam to milk to money for management fees forever.

Nobody likes Ethan. People just want his money, even the snarky conniving lawyer he’s married to.

I don’t agree with this at all. Harper was not manipulative. She doesn’t seem to care about the money at all and is mostly concerned that it’s going to mess up their marriage (which it does). At the end she is kind of manipulative I guess, when they both ended up playing Daphne/Cameron games with each other, but that’s a result of everything that went down on the trip. She was not like that to start

lol. She's a practicing lawyer and she was bullying and humiliating him while eating with friends (she had never met). Even when her and Ethan first met years back, he was a Yale graduate and a tech founder (he just hadn't yet cashed in), hardly some piker. It's akin to dating a 5-star basketball player at Duke and acting like you met him before he became a rich NBA player, so you were with him for genuine reasons.

Bullying and humiliating him? What are you talking about? Because she didn't act fun with his douchey friends?

Also, the majority of tech guys never make it big - they are comfortable but not multi-millionaires. He was far from an NBA prospect

This is weird projection IMO and you have issues with women

Harper repeatedly bullied and humiliated her husband publicly and was cruel and passive-aggressive to his college friend(s) as soon as she met them. My husband's a porn addict, my husband won't impregnate me, my husband won't have sex with me, my husband is addicted to work. She disclosed all of this to people she just met. Oh she did it in a "sarcastic" way; yeah right, that's what cruel people hide behind as they're bullying you. Then when she heard Cam was the alpha dog going back 20 years creeping around Ethan's crushes, which made Ethan deeply insecure, she used that to her advantage to push more of her husband's buttons. She was psychologically messing with his head the entire trip. Ethan was Harper's mark, Ethan was also Cameron/Daphney's mark.

Did...any of that happen? Because the only time I remember any of this happening is when Ethan brought it up in front of Daphne and Cameron when they were talking about having kids.

I think you have a screw, or a few, loose.

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Anonymous wrote:It could be Tanya who dies. The last scene with her getting it in with that hot drug dealer, they are playing opera music. Earlier in the show, Portia asks her how was the opera and she said she died at the end.

I think the gays will blackmail her to give them money so they don’t tell her husband about the cheating but accidentally she’ll fall into the ocean like the woman did.

Gosh I am a genius. I made this post it a few weeks ago. I got everything right but the cheating part. I also asked multiple times on this thread, the only one who asked, where is Greg? He was supposed to return in only two days and he was gone all week.

There were many of us who thought the gays were in cahoots with Greg running a scam. That said, I give you props on falling into the ocean

Yes I was the only one who connected the opera "she dies at the end" to Tanya, and it playing the opera music when Tanya was on screen. It was probably glossed over because this thread is incredibly active and you can't keep up. I have given up on it.

There was a ton of foreshadowing of various deaths, much of it conflicting (all the frescoes in the credits, the story about the woman getting pushed off the island by the mafia, Quentin "would you die for beauty," Daphne's lines about killing Cameron, etc). I'm sorry but you are not smarter than everyone else bc you posted about one particular piece of it.

Also hardly the ONLY ONE who saw the connections between Madam Butterfly and Tanya like, it was almost heavy handed. But that was kind of the point there were signs pointing to many deaths, certainly just as many harbingers for Lucia as for Tanya.

That said I have to say generally for some reason I felt the death was a bit cheaper this season. Last season it was both fully earned, totally shocking, and somewhat incidental to the stories around it. In this season it really was a build up to a murder, the stories seemed somehow more incidental? Last season was about class and a death happened to occur, this season felt like it was about a murder where a lot of sex happened to occur.

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Anonymous wrote:It was fishy from the beginning that someone who looked like Jack would show interest in Portia. That scene in the pool when they met was out of place for a reason.

Albie and Portia are both naive suckers and I’m glad Mike White drove that point home at the end so we don’t have to rehash the conversation about how deluded and naive Portia’s worldview is relative to Jack’s.

Another point about Jack is that in this whole thread no one mentions he’s a victim when he clearly is either a victim of a predatory older, privileged man or a victim of child abuse or both. A lot of untold demons in his closet that he’s trying to drink away.

It’s funny that the only true friendship in the show is between Lucia and the piano player. Cameron and Daphne seem like they actually like each other but their friendship is too twisted.

The “you f your uncle?!” and Tanya telling the captain the gays were trying to kill her in vain were hilariously cringe.

Great ending to a great season. This is the best show of the past 10-15 years.

Who looked like him? He was gross and a drunk! No thank you!

Now we’re going to act like this guy isn’t attractive? He looks like a young, more athletic Damon Albarn. No one who looks like Portia is going to pull someone who looks like a 1990s Calvin Klein model in the real world. Please.

Uh no, he was not attractive to me at all.

+1 The actor might be, but that character? Run.

+1 million. He was so gross and unattractive to me as the character. The fact that he can clean up well and is otherwise handsome is immaterial.

He became “gross and unattractive” to you because he was getting drunk to ease the emotional pain of having to do the bidding of a man who’s obviously sexually abusing him and using him in general.

The hatred a lot of women have for a character who is basically a victim of sex trafficking and probably childhood sexual abuse is very telling. Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?

That’s what’s genius about this show. One of the only true victims on this show is some working class young white guy who would be called white trash if he didn’t have a Cockney accent. The only exploited sex worker / abuse victim is a young white man, not Lucia or her friend.

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Anonymous wrote:Ethan was a bigger mark than Albie.

Harper played him like a fiddle with psychological manipulation to get what she wanted — her filthy rich weirdo husband wrapped around her finger and impregnating her.

Cameron and his wife orbited him to corrupt him and bring them all closer, so when they get back Ethan will wire a boatload of money to Cam to “manage”. Asset management is just a scam to milk to money for management fees forever.

Nobody likes Ethan. People just want his money, even the snarky conniving lawyer he’s married to.

I don’t agree with this at all. Harper was not manipulative. She doesn’t seem to care about the money at all and is mostly concerned that it’s going to mess up their marriage (which it does). At the end she is kind of manipulative I guess, when they both ended up playing Daphne/Cameron games with each other, but that’s a result of everything that went down on the trip. She was not like that to start

lol. She's a practicing lawyer and she was bullying and humiliating him while eating with friends (she had never met). Even when her and Ethan first met years back, he was a Yale graduate and a tech founder (he just hadn't yet cashed in), hardly some piker. It's akin to dating a 5-star basketball player at Duke and acting like you met him before he became a rich NBA player, so you were with him for genuine reasons.

Bullying and humiliating him? What are you talking about? Because she didn't act fun with his douchey friends?

Also, the majority of tech guys never make it big - they are comfortable but not multi-millionaires. He was far from an NBA prospect

This is weird projection IMO and you have issues with women

Harper repeatedly bullied and humiliated her husband publicly and was cruel and passive-aggressive to his college friend(s) as soon as she met them. My husband's a porn addict, my husband won't impregnate me, my husband won't have sex with me, my husband is addicted to work. She disclosed all of this to people she just met. Oh she did it in a "sarcastic" way; yeah right, that's what cruel people hide behind as they're bullying you. Then when she heard Cam was the alpha dog going back 20 years creeping around Ethan's crushes, which made Ethan deeply insecure, she used that to her advantage to push more of her husband's buttons. She was psychologically messing with his head the entire trip. Ethan was Harper's mark, Ethan was also Cameron/Daphney's mark.

Did...any of that happen? Because the only time I remember any of this happening is when Ethan brought it up in front of Daphne and Cameron when they were talking about having kids.

I think you have a screw, or a few, loose.

None of it happened. She tries to make Ethan look good in front of a guy she quickly figures out is Ethan’s old bully. But PP is a narcissist who would be enraged by his wife calling him out on any of that in private, so that’s why he’s losing his mind over her no-nonsense demeanor.

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Agreed, but I don't think many people here are arguing that Harper is perfect or had no flaws. It's that some people are pointing out that she's not a total villain with no redeeming qualities and that (1) she might actually love her husband, and (2) she might have some positive qualities that make him love her. And there is one person on here who has decided that we're all idiots who are obsessed with Aubrey Plaza because obviously Harper is a vicious and manipulative harpy.

That is true though. Plaza is the most famous character, especially to all the millennials obsessed with White Lotus. Young people are captivated by her and think she's so witty and funny and totally them, so you don't want to acknowledge even the possibility that she's just as much of a ruthless striver, manipulator and conniver as everyone else on the show. To me, the only pure leading character was Bert.

No, it's not true. People are pointing out that Harper was flawed and complicated, like all the white lotus characters, but not a one-dimensional villain. Meanwhile you keep insisting she is in fact a total villain running a years-long scam aimed at getting Ethan's money when every indication is that, despite her flaws, she married Ethan as an equal partner and just wanted a normal UMC life with a loving husband and some kids and a job.

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Agreed, but I don't think many people here are arguing that Harper is perfect or had no flaws. It's that some people are pointing out that she's not a total villain with no redeeming qualities and that (1) she might actually love her husband, and (2) she might have some positive qualities that make him love her. And there is one person on here who has decided that we're all idiots who are obsessed with Aubrey Plaza because obviously Harper is a vicious and manipulative harpy.

That is true though. Plaza is the most famous character, especially to all the millennials obsessed with White Lotus. Young people are captivated by her and think she's so witty and funny and totally them, so you don't want to acknowledge even the possibility that she's just as much of a ruthless striver, manipulator and conniver as everyone else on the show. To me, the only pure leading character was Bert.

Bert was pure? That's BS if I ever heard it. He was the cautionary tale of what happens when you cheat and create a resentful marriage without even noticing it.

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Anonymous wrote:It was fishy from the beginning that someone who looked like Jack would show interest in Portia. That scene in the pool when they met was out of place for a reason.

Albie and Portia are both naive suckers and I’m glad Mike White drove that point home at the end so we don’t have to rehash the conversation about how deluded and naive Portia’s worldview is relative to Jack’s.

Another point about Jack is that in this whole thread no one mentions he’s a victim when he clearly is either a victim of a predatory older, privileged man or a victim of child abuse or both. A lot of untold demons in his closet that he’s trying to drink away.

It’s funny that the only true friendship in the show is between Lucia and the piano player. Cameron and Daphne seem like they actually like each other but their friendship is too twisted.

The “you f your uncle?!” and Tanya telling the captain the gays were trying to kill her in vain were hilariously cringe.

Great ending to a great season. This is the best show of the past 10-15 years.

Who looked like him? He was gross and a drunk! No thank you!

Now we’re going to act like this guy isn’t attractive? He looks like a young, more athletic Damon Albarn. No one who looks like Portia is going to pull someone who looks like a 1990s Calvin Klein model in the real world. Please.

Uh no, he was not attractive to me at all.

+1 The actor might be, but that character? Run.

+1 million. He was so gross and unattractive to me as the character. The fact that he can clean up well and is otherwise handsome is immaterial.

He became “gross and unattractive” to you because he was getting drunk to ease the emotional pain of having to do the bidding of a man who’s obviously sexually abusing him and using him in general.

The hatred a lot of women have for a character who is basically a victim of sex trafficking and probably childhood sexual abuse is very telling. Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?

That’s what’s genius about this show. One of the only true victims on this show is some working class young white guy who would be called white trash if he didn’t have a Cockney accent. The only exploited sex worker / abuse victim is a young white man, not Lucia or her friend.

Weird take. We definitely are supposed to understand him as white trash. The accent only highlights that fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Ethan was a bigger mark than Albie.

Harper played him like a fiddle with psychological manipulation to get what she wanted — her filthy rich weirdo husband wrapped around her finger and impregnating her.

Cameron and his wife orbited him to corrupt him and bring them all closer, so when they get back Ethan will wire a boatload of money to Cam to “manage”. Asset management is just a scam to milk to money for management fees forever.

Nobody likes Ethan. People just want his money, even the snarky conniving lawyer he’s married to.

I don’t agree with this at all. Harper was not manipulative. She doesn’t seem to care about the money at all and is mostly concerned that it’s going to mess up their marriage (which it does). At the end she is kind of manipulative I guess, when they both ended up playing Daphne/Cameron games with each other, but that’s a result of everything that went down on the trip. She was not like that to start

lol. She's a practicing lawyer and she was bullying and humiliating him while eating with friends (she had never met). Even when her and Ethan first met years back, he was a Yale graduate and a tech founder (he just hadn't yet cashed in), hardly some piker. It's akin to dating a 5-star basketball player at Duke and acting like you met him before he became a rich NBA player, so you were with him for genuine reasons.

Bullying and humiliating him? What are you talking about? Because she didn't act fun with his douchey friends?

Also, the majority of tech guys never make it big - they are comfortable but not multi-millionaires. He was far from an NBA prospect

This is weird projection IMO and you have issues with women

Harper repeatedly bullied and humiliated her husband publicly and was cruel and passive-aggressive to his college friend(s) as soon as she met them. My husband's a porn addict, my husband won't impregnate me, my husband won't have sex with me, my husband is addicted to work. She disclosed all of this to people she just met. Oh she did it in a "sarcastic" way; yeah right, that's what cruel people hide behind as they're bullying you. Then when she heard Cam was the alpha dog going back 20 years creeping around Ethan's crushes, which made Ethan deeply insecure, she used that to her advantage to push more of her husband's buttons. She was psychologically messing with his head the entire trip. Ethan was Harper's mark, Ethan was also Cameron/Daphney's mark.

Did...any of that happen? Because the only time I remember any of this happening is when Ethan brought it up in front of Daphne and Cameron when they were talking about having kids.

I think you have a screw, or a few, loose.

Yeah, this is becoming a real cautionary tale of a misogyist incel and what happens when you let him try and interepret a show with some level of nuance. The negative beliefs about women just splatter all over the page.

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Anonymous wrote:It was fishy from the beginning that someone who looked like Jack would show interest in Portia. That scene in the pool when they met was out of place for a reason.

Albie and Portia are both naive suckers and I’m glad Mike White drove that point home at the end so we don’t have to rehash the conversation about how deluded and naive Portia’s worldview is relative to Jack’s.

Another point about Jack is that in this whole thread no one mentions he’s a victim when he clearly is either a victim of a predatory older, privileged man or a victim of child abuse or both. A lot of untold demons in his closet that he’s trying to drink away.

It’s funny that the only true friendship in the show is between Lucia and the piano player. Cameron and Daphne seem like they actually like each other but their friendship is too twisted.

The “you f your uncle?!” and Tanya telling the captain the gays were trying to kill her in vain were hilariously cringe.

Great ending to a great season. This is the best show of the past 10-15 years.

Who looked like him? He was gross and a drunk! No thank you!

Now we’re going to act like this guy isn’t attractive? He looks like a young, more athletic Damon Albarn. No one who looks like Portia is going to pull someone who looks like a 1990s Calvin Klein model in the real world. Please.

Uh no, he was not attractive to me at all.

+1 The actor might be, but that character? Run.

+1 million. He was so gross and unattractive to me as the character. The fact that he can clean up well and is otherwise handsome is immaterial.

He became “gross and unattractive” to you because he was getting drunk to ease the emotional pain of having to do the bidding of a man who’s obviously sexually abusing him and using him in general.

The hatred a lot of women have for a character who is basically a victim of sex trafficking and probably childhood sexual abuse is very telling. Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?

That’s what’s genius about this show. One of the only true victims on this show is some working class young white guy who would be called white trash if he didn’t have a Cockney accent. The only exploited sex worker / abuse victim is a young white man, not Lucia or her friend.

Weird take. We definitely are supposed to understand him as white trash. The accent only highlights that fact.

Yeah I'm also not sure why it's "genius" to make a working-class white guy a victim. I mean, I agree that he was one in the show. While the female prostitutes are "happy hooker" types who come out on top, thereby absolving the men who sleep with them of any guilt/wrongdoing bc no one's getting exploited if everyone's getting exploited. Or something

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Anonymous wrote:It was fishy from the beginning that someone who looked like Jack would show interest in Portia. That scene in the pool when they met was out of place for a reason.

Albie and Portia are both naive suckers and I’m glad Mike White drove that point home at the end so we don’t have to rehash the conversation about how deluded and naive Portia’s worldview is relative to Jack’s.

Another point about Jack is that in this whole thread no one mentions he’s a victim when he clearly is either a victim of a predatory older, privileged man or a victim of child abuse or both. A lot of untold demons in his closet that he’s trying to drink away.

It’s funny that the only true friendship in the show is between Lucia and the piano player. Cameron and Daphne seem like they actually like each other but their friendship is too twisted.

The “you f your uncle?!” and Tanya telling the captain the gays were trying to kill her in vain were hilariously cringe.

Great ending to a great season. This is the best show of the past 10-15 years.

Who looked like him? He was gross and a drunk! No thank you!

Now we’re going to act like this guy isn’t attractive? He looks like a young, more athletic Damon Albarn. No one who looks like Portia is going to pull someone who looks like a 1990s Calvin Klein model in the real world. Please.

Uh no, he was not attractive to me at all.

+1 The actor might be, but that character? Run.

+1 million. He was so gross and unattractive to me as the character. The fact that he can clean up well and is otherwise handsome is immaterial.

He became “gross and unattractive” to you because he was getting drunk to ease the emotional pain of having to do the bidding of a man who’s obviously sexually abusing him and using him in general.

The hatred a lot of women have for a character who is basically a victim of sex trafficking and probably childhood sexual abuse is very telling. Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?

That’s what’s genius about this show. One of the only true victims on this show is some working class young white guy who would be called white trash if he didn’t have a Cockney accent. The only exploited sex worker / abuse victim is a young white man, not Lucia or her friend.

Weird take. We definitely are supposed to understand him as white trash. The accent only highlights that fact.

You calling him “white trash” is a tell of the type of privilege this show is made to skewer. Sorry if that goes over your head.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Jack saved Portia’s life. He was probably supposed to kill her

He didn't strike me as a killer, just a hustler.

This. His "job" was to keep her busy and out of the way. As to whether he was attractive, his styling got worse and worse. He looked attractive in the beginning but by the end he was sweaty and greasy, made to drunk or hungover.

Then why didn’t he just say ok get out of the car, this is where I’m dropping you off. Why get out of the car, smoke a cigarette, look like he was conflicted, and say your smart don’t go back to the hotel, go straight to the airport and leave.

Because he's supposed to kill her or deliver her to be killed. And if she shows up on TV after talking to the police he's going to have to explain himself to people he is afraid of.

He was conflicted bc he was participating in Tanya's murder, IMO, and felt bad about it. I don't think he was preparing to kill Portia. They didn't show a gun or any weapon and they weren't anywhere hidden. Was he going to kill her in broad daylight on the side of a public highway?

I don’t think he was supposed to kill her as the A plan, he was just supposed to keep her away and out of touch. She wasn’t supposed to figure anything out. It’s possible that he OUGHT to have killed her given her suspicions, but decided to just warn her and let her go.

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Anonymous wrote:It was fishy from the beginning that someone who looked like Jack would show interest in Portia. That scene in the pool when they met was out of place for a reason.

Albie and Portia are both naive suckers and I’m glad Mike White drove that point home at the end so we don’t have to rehash the conversation about how deluded and naive Portia’s worldview is relative to Jack’s.

Another point about Jack is that in this whole thread no one mentions he’s a victim when he clearly is either a victim of a predatory older, privileged man or a victim of child abuse or both. A lot of untold demons in his closet that he’s trying to drink away.

It’s funny that the only true friendship in the show is between Lucia and the piano player. Cameron and Daphne seem like they actually like each other but their friendship is too twisted.

The “you f your uncle?!” and Tanya telling the captain the gays were trying to kill her in vain were hilariously cringe.

Great ending to a great season. This is the best show of the past 10-15 years.

Who looked like him? He was gross and a drunk! No thank you!

Now we’re going to act like this guy isn’t attractive? He looks like a young, more athletic Damon Albarn. No one who looks like Portia is going to pull someone who looks like a 1990s Calvin Klein model in the real world. Please.

Uh no, he was not attractive to me at all.

+1 The actor might be, but that character? Run.

+1 million. He was so gross and unattractive to me as the character. The fact that he can clean up well and is otherwise handsome is immaterial.

He became “gross and unattractive” to you because he was getting drunk to ease the emotional pain of having to do the bidding of a man who’s obviously sexually abusing him and using him in general.

The hatred a lot of women have for a character who is basically a victim of sex trafficking and probably childhood sexual abuse is very telling. Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?

That’s what’s genius about this show. One of the only true victims on this show is some working class young white guy who would be called white trash if he didn’t have a Cockney accent. The only exploited sex worker / abuse victim is a young white man, not Lucia or her friend.

Weird take. We definitely are supposed to understand him as white trash. The accent only highlights that fact.

Yeah I'm also not sure why it's "genius" to make a working-class white guy a victim. I mean, I agree that he was one in the show. While the female prostitutes are "happy hooker" types who come out on top, thereby absolving the men who sleep with them of any guilt/wrongdoing bc no one's getting exploited if everyone's getting exploited. Or something

Because it goes against the conventional, reductionist narrative that all female sex workers are tragic victims and that white guys are inherently privileged. Jack has it worse than almost anyone on the show, but this isn’t a PC narrative thread to employ even though there are countless victims of sexual abuse who are white men who grew up with no privilege whatsoever. It shows that Mike White isn’t just employing lazy “woke” narrative devices that have by now become cliche.

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Anonymous wrote:It was fishy from the beginning that someone who looked like Jack would show interest in Portia. That scene in the pool when they met was out of place for a reason.

Albie and Portia are both naive suckers and I’m glad Mike White drove that point home at the end so we don’t have to rehash the conversation about how deluded and naive Portia’s worldview is relative to Jack’s.

Another point about Jack is that in this whole thread no one mentions he’s a victim when he clearly is either a victim of a predatory older, privileged man or a victim of child abuse or both. A lot of untold demons in his closet that he’s trying to drink away.

It’s funny that the only true friendship in the show is between Lucia and the piano player. Cameron and Daphne seem like they actually like each other but their friendship is too twisted.

The “you f your uncle?!” and Tanya telling the captain the gays were trying to kill her in vain were hilariously cringe.

Great ending to a great season. This is the best show of the past 10-15 years.

Who looked like him? He was gross and a drunk! No thank you!

Now we’re going to act like this guy isn’t attractive? He looks like a young, more athletic Damon Albarn. No one who looks like Portia is going to pull someone who looks like a 1990s Calvin Klein model in the real world. Please.

Uh no, he was not attractive to me at all.

+1 The actor might be, but that character? Run.

+1 million. He was so gross and unattractive to me as the character. The fact that he can clean up well and is otherwise handsome is immaterial.

He became “gross and unattractive” to you because he was getting drunk to ease the emotional pain of having to do the bidding of a man who’s obviously sexually abusing him and using him in general.

The hatred a lot of women have for a character who is basically a victim of sex trafficking and probably childhood sexual abuse is very telling. Would you say a female sex worker was “gross and unattractive” because she was drinking away the pain caused by being abused by a bunch of creepy, sadistic older men?

That’s what’s genius about this show. One of the only true victims on this show is some working class young white guy who would be called white trash if he didn’t have a Cockney accent. The only exploited sex worker / abuse victim is a young white man, not Lucia or her friend.

Weird take. We definitely are supposed to understand him as white trash. The accent only highlights that fact.

+1 Very weird take. And I found him gross and unattractive long before he got drunk towards the end. Like, from the first time we saw him in the pool.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Jack saved Portia’s life. He was probably supposed to kill her

He didn't strike me as a killer, just a hustler.

This. His "job" was to keep her busy and out of the way. As to whether he was attractive, his styling got worse and worse. He looked attractive in the beginning but by the end he was sweaty and greasy, made to drunk or hungover.

Then why didn’t he just say ok get out of the car, this is where I’m dropping you off. Why get out of the car, smoke a cigarette, look like he was conflicted, and say your smart don’t go back to the hotel, go straight to the airport and leave.

Because he's supposed to kill her or deliver her to be killed. And if she shows up on TV after talking to the police he's going to have to explain himself to people he is afraid of.

He was conflicted bc he was participating in Tanya's murder, IMO, and felt bad about it. I don't think he was preparing to kill Portia. They didn't show a gun or any weapon and they weren't anywhere hidden. Was he going to kill her in broad daylight on the side of a public highway?

That's why I said kill or deliver to be killed. He warns her not to go back to the hotel, but doesn't say exactly why. That means Portia showing up at the hotel would be unexpected (she was supposed to have been killed by Jack) or she was walking into a trap (killed/abducted/harmed by someone else).