What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Some of the tests take days, weeks, months," says Alan Hall, MD, a board-certified toxicologist and consultant in Laramie, Wyo. The final toxicology report, he says, draws not only from multiple test results and confirmation of the results, but also on the clinical experience of the toxicologists and pathologists involved in the investigation, as well as field work.

Here is what toxicology tests include, why they take so long, and why they can be tricky.

What is toxicology testing?

The toxicology testing performed after a person's death is known as forensic toxicology testing or postmortem drug testing.

Interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Maybe they'll never release a cause?

Maybe they'll hope that we'll all just forget about this and move on with our busy lives?

If it was FA, I'd think they'd want to drag this out for as long as possible, rather than have to announce that this was the cause.

I still don't understand why she was found away from the other bodies if this was the case?

I assume she tried to run.

"Away" is a bit of an exaggeration. 30 ft or 30 yards (90 ft) is hardly far. It's essentially like being on the other side of a 4 or 5 lane road.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Maybe they'll never release a cause?

Maybe they'll hope that we'll all just forget about this and move on with our busy lives?

If it was FA, I'd think they'd want to drag this out for as long as possible, rather than have to announce that this was the cause.

I still don't understand why she was found away from the other bodies if this was the case?

I assume she tried to run.

"Away" is a bit of an exaggeration. 30 ft or 30 yards (90 ft) is hardly far. It's essentially like being on the other side of a 4 or 5 lane road.

Run from what? I think Jonathan should have been the one to run.

[Anonymous]

What is it with the heat stroke theory? Why is it everyone believes the simultaneous deaths of 3 was heat related?
If so, the autopsies would have shown a symptom characteristic of heat trauma.
The sheriff has said recently the toxicology report is the delay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is it with the heat stroke theory? Why is it everyone believes the simultaneous deaths of 3 was heat related?
If so, the autopsies would have shown a symptom characteristic of heat trauma.
The sheriff has said recently the toxicology report is the delay.

Literally no one has said they died “simultaneously.” No one knows yet bc no one was there when they died. Heat stroke is the explanation that makes the most sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is it with the heat stroke theory? Why is it everyone believes the simultaneous deaths of 3 was heat related?
If so, the autopsies would have shown a symptom characteristic of heat trauma.
The sheriff has said recently the toxicology report is the delay.

Literally no one has said they died “simultaneously.” No one knows yet bc no one was there when they died. Heat stroke is the explanation that makes the most sense.

No it isn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Some of the tests take days, weeks, months," says Alan Hall, MD, a board-certified toxicologist and consultant in Laramie, Wyo. The final toxicology report, he says, draws not only from multiple test results and confirmation of the results, but also on the clinical experience of the toxicologists and pathologists involved in the investigation, as well as field work.

Here is what toxicology tests include, why they take so long, and why they can be tricky.

What is toxicology testing?

The toxicology testing performed after a person's death is known as forensic toxicology testing or postmortem drug testing.

Interesting.

I read that the initial autopsy (that already showed nothing in this case) tests for common drugs of abuse. The forensic toxicology (which is done subsequently) will test for less common poisons. A standard turnaround is 4-6 weeks. 2-3% of cases turn out to be inconclusive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the dog ran into the poison water, dad went to get it. Mom also got exposed too, but after dad which is why she was farther away. Baby died either from toxin or heat stroke.

I think the dog is key, especially after reading this https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-found-that-a-dangerous-algal-bloom-toxin-can-be-found-in-the-air

Describing it as poison water is way over dramatic. Crazy.

[Anonymous]

They didn't necessarily all die at the same time. If your spouse had just died, would you hang out right there with the body, or move away? Probably move away. She wasn't that far away from the rest of the them. Even if they were sticking together, still no one hikes at the same speed. If you were about to die, would you be able to run? Probably not. FA doesn't make sense for this family. Why go to the trouble of going on a strenuous hike only to off themselves. The only consolation is they died doing what they loved to do.

[Anonymous]

What happened to the lightening strike theory? I can't keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would they commit family annihilation? Makes no sense, and dragging their little girl and their family dog into it. Perhaps if it was the mom, since she had traumatic brain injury, so her thinking was cloudy. Even that makes very little sense. They had everything going for them.

From the outside it appears they had everything going for them. But what was “really” going on?

I dunno. What do you think was "really" going on? You guys watch too many murder shows and this stuff is just insane.

[Anonymous]

Any news? Real news?
Sick of ridiculous theories. Hazmat, toxic blooms and algae got ruled out, right? We can almost state with certainty heat had nothing to do with multiple deaths. What remains?

Suicide pact?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Maybe they'll never release a cause?

Maybe they'll hope that we'll all just forget about this and move on with our busy lives?

If it was FA, I'd think they'd want to drag this out for as long as possible, rather than have to announce that this was the cause.

I still don't understand why she was found away from the other bodies if this was the case?

I assume she tried to run.

"Away" is a bit of an exaggeration. 30 ft or 30 yards (90 ft) is hardly far. It's essentially like being on the other side of a 4 or 5 lane road.

Not PP but I have to agree that.. well, that is pretty far. Especially if we were walking as a group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Some of the tests take days, weeks, months," says Alan Hall, MD, a board-certified toxicologist and consultant in Laramie, Wyo. The final toxicology report, he says, draws not only from multiple test results and confirmation of the results, but also on the clinical experience of the toxicologists and pathologists involved in the investigation, as well as field work.

Here is what toxicology tests include, why they take so long, and why they can be tricky.

What is toxicology testing?

The toxicology testing performed after a person's death is known as forensic toxicology testing or postmortem drug testing.

Interesting.

I read that the initial autopsy (that already showed nothing in this case) tests for common drugs of abuse. The forensic toxicology (which is done subsequently) will test for less common poisons. A standard turnaround is 4-6 weeks. 2-3% of cases turn out to be inconclusive.

If it was sleep medication, it should have shown up in the initial autopsy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would they commit family annihilation? Makes no sense, and dragging their little girl and their family dog into it. Perhaps if it was the mom, since she had traumatic brain injury, so her thinking was cloudy. Even that makes very little sense. They had everything going for them.

From the outside it appears they had everything going for them. But what was “really” going on?

I dunno. What do you think was "really" going on? You guys watch too many murder shows and this stuff is just insane.

Maybe u don’t watch enough😂. Levity aside, I too wonder what was going on. I suspect someone no longer wished to live this life and orchestrated a mysterious multi death event in a remote setting. Autopsy does not conclude drugs or poisons. Even if the med’ examiner has suspicions a forensic toxicology report MUST be performed. Above poster is correct, toxicology results can take months and months. If a drug or toxin is found more testing is necessary to arrive at the fatal amount. I think sheriff Briese said some tests are complete but the completed tests Failed to identify cause of death. there ya go. The fast tests included algae and other environmental things. So think outside the box. What is left?