CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remdesivir is/was always a shot in the dark.

There are very few antivirals that work on respiratory viruses like flu, coronavirus, rhinovirus, adenovirus. Tamiflu survives because it's the only one, despite some potentially large side effects and the fact *it barely works at all* (reduces course of disease by ~10% / 12 hours).

What's needed is a vaccine. And that will take time.

There is some evidence that remdesivir helps: https://www.wsj.com/articles/experimental-drug-helps-some-americans-ride-out-coronavirus-nih-doctor-says-11584094955

There’s evidence that Tamiflu reduces the death rate for severe flu. And there’s also a new flu med that can be taken prophylactically to reduce the risk of infection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Let’s imagine.....

Sept. 12, 2019, 5:03 PM EDT

U.S. officials worried about Chinese control of American drug supply

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/u-s-off...-american-drug-supply-n1052376

Antibiotics, which turn life-threatening infections into minor nuisances, are considered the single biggest advance in modern medicine.

But imagine if the supply of antibiotics to the United States was suddenly cut off.

American national security officials are worrying about that scenario as they come to grips with this little understood fact: The vast majority of key ingredients for drugs that many Americans rely on are manufactured abroad, mostly in China.

Mar 13, 2020

China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs

https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/china-hints-at-denying-americans-life-saving-coronavirus-drugs/article_269a084e-653d-11ea-aea2-23480bd58064.html


China Threatens to Throw America 'Into the Mighty Sea of the Coronavirus.'

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-threatens-throw-america-mighty-sea-coronavirus-130877

The last article in this list is from conservative sources only, and someone in one of these friends found the original Chinese article and this is not what it said.

[Anonymous]

My 70yo in-laws still seem entirely unconcerned about all this, except not being able to buy toilet paper and other goods. Apparently this a running theme with older republicans....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/14/older-americans-are-more-worried-about-coronavirus-unless-theyre-republican/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 70yo in-laws still seem entirely unconcerned about all this, except not being able to buy toilet paper and other goods. Apparently this a running theme with older republicans....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/14/older-americans-are-more-worried-about-coronavirus-unless-theyre-republican/

Old Republicans hate science. Why would that change now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 70yo in-laws still seem entirely unconcerned about all this, except not being able to buy toilet paper and other goods. Apparently this a running theme with older republicans....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/14/older-americans-are-more-worried-about-coronavirus-unless-theyre-republican/

My “FOX news only” parents got serious yesterday. Not sure if it was the trump outings or maybe when Newt wrote from quarantine (in Italy).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 70yo in-laws still seem entirely unconcerned about all this, except not being able to buy toilet paper and other goods. Apparently this a running theme with older republicans....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/14/older-americans-are-more-worried-about-coronavirus-unless-theyre-republican/

Younger Republicans too. Check out #coronakatie on Twitter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/wife-desperate-for-husbands-coronavirus-results/2241519/

What does it mean be can’t be treated for the virus until they know the results? I obviously feel awful for this family and totally understand the desire for a test result. But will that really change the course of treatment?

Probably not, since there is not treatment. But it does concern me that the largest hospital nearest me (where we would go should things become critical), doesn’t seem to have the capability to get rapid test results and/or to communicate to the family in a reassuring way that they are treating the patient as if he has it and are treating him aggressively, as they would (I hope) any younger person in critical condition with pneumonia.

I hate this administration. They have f***ed this up beyond belief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/wife-desperate-for-husbands-coronavirus-results/2241519/

What does it mean be can’t be treated for the virus until they know the results? I obviously feel awful for this family and totally understand the desire for a test result. But will that really change the course of treatment?

Probably not, since there is not treatment. But it does concern me that the largest hospital nearest me (where we would go should things become critical), doesn’t seem to have the capability to get rapid test results and/or to communicate to the family in a reassuring way that they are treating the patient as if he has it and are treating him aggressively, as they would (I hope) any younger person in critical condition with pneumonia.

I hate this administration. They have f***ed this up beyond belief.

It's easy to snap out at current politicians when feeling frustrated and angry. But I don't think any other politician would have had a different impact. Look at Europe. They all also waited before making major actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/wife-desperate-for-husbands-coronavirus-results/2241519/

What does it mean be can’t be treated for the virus until they know the results? I obviously feel awful for this family and totally understand the desire for a test result. But will that really change the course of treatment?

Probably not, since there is not treatment. But it does concern me that the largest hospital nearest me (where we would go should things become critical), doesn’t seem to have the capability to get rapid test results and/or to communicate to the family in a reassuring way that they are treating the patient as if he has it and are treating him aggressively, as they would (I hope) any younger person in critical condition with pneumonia.

I hate this administration. They have f***ed this up beyond belief.

It's easy to snap out at current politicians when feeling frustrated and angry. But I don't think any other politician would have had a different impact. Look at Europe. They all also waited before making major actions.

Are you for real?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/wife-desperate-for-husbands-coronavirus-results/2241519/

What does it mean be can’t be treated for the virus until they know the results? I obviously feel awful for this family and totally understand the desire for a test result. But will that really change the course of treatment?

Probably not, since there is not treatment. But it does concern me that the largest hospital nearest me (where we would go should things become critical), doesn’t seem to have the capability to get rapid test results and/or to communicate to the family in a reassuring way that they are treating the patient as if he has it and are treating him aggressively, as they would (I hope) any younger person in critical condition with pneumonia.

I hate this administration. They have f***ed this up beyond belief.

It's easy to snap out at current politicians when feeling frustrated and angry. But I don't think any other politician would have had a different impact. Look at Europe. They all also waited before making major actions.

Bwahahahaha. You really don't think that political leadership matters? Both in the long and the short term, if we had a president who understood epidemics we would have a CDC pandemic team in place, we would have authorized the CDC to use the WHO test, we would have incentivized labs and private manufacturers to ramp up production of tests, masks, and other essential medical equipment, we would have not made crazy announcements to upset the stock market. We would not have politicized the pandemic and we would not have to hear idiotic statements about transcripts and pleas to avoid testing to keep numbers artificially low. Elections matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 70yo in-laws still seem entirely unconcerned about all this, except not being able to buy toilet paper and other goods. Apparently this a running theme with older republicans....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/14/older-americans-are-more-worried-about-coronavirus-unless-theyre-republican/

My “FOX news only” parents got serious yesterday. Not sure if it was the trump outings or maybe when Newt wrote from quarantine (in Italy).

Please share how to get my 70s parents (one with lung cancer) serious. They're leaving the house, walking around with cotton gloves as their shield, acting like this is blown out of proportion. one is former healthcare, so ?. It may take me screaming at them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Let’s imagine.....

Sept. 12, 2019, 5:03 PM EDT

U.S. officials worried about Chinese control of American drug supply

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/u-s-off...-american-drug-supply-n1052376

Antibiotics, which turn life-threatening infections into minor nuisances, are considered the single biggest advance in modern medicine.

But imagine if the supply of antibiotics to the United States was suddenly cut off.

American national security officials are worrying about that scenario as they come to grips with this little understood fact: The vast majority of key ingredients for drugs that many Americans rely on are manufactured abroad, mostly in China.

Mar 13, 2020

China hints at denying Americans life-saving coronavirus drugs

https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/china-hints-at-denying-americans-life-saving-coronavirus-drugs/article_269a084e-653d-11ea-aea2-23480bd58064.html


China Threatens to Throw America 'Into the Mighty Sea of the Coronavirus.'

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-threatens-throw-america-mighty-sea-coronavirus-130877

The last article in this list is from conservative sources only, and someone in one of these friends found the original Chinese article and this is not what it said.

Yes, here's that point again about what the Xinhua article really said:

Regarding the "sea of coronavirus" Xinhua article, I decided to look for myself. The only newssites covering it other than Fox News were conservative media basically all quoting Fox News. I finally found the actual article here:

http://xinhuanet.com/2020-03/04/c_1125660473.htm

After the author's (a blogger?) comments suggesting restricting supplies to the US out of anger over a potential new travel ban (as far as I can tell; I cannot read Mandarin, so I am relying on a friend's translation and Chrome), the author said this (again, machine translation):

However, there is a great love in the world. The Chinese people and the Chinese government have never done so. They have not insulted the United States, nor have they banned the export of masks and medicines to the United States. As China ’s new crown pneumonia epidemic is gradually controlled, China ’s ability to export masks and medicines Will be greatly enhanced, and the United States is one of the demand side.

People can even plug the article into Chrome translate for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/wife-desperate-for-husbands-coronavirus-results/2241519/

What does it mean be can’t be treated for the virus until they know the results? I obviously feel awful for this family and totally understand the desire for a test result. But will that really change the course of treatment?

Probably not, since there is not treatment. But it does concern me that the largest hospital nearest me (where we would go should things become critical), doesn’t seem to have the capability to get rapid test results and/or to communicate to the family in a reassuring way that they are treating the patient as if he has it and are treating him aggressively, as they would (I hope) any younger person in critical condition with pneumonia.

I hate this administration. They have f***ed this up beyond belief.

It's easy to snap out at current politicians when feeling frustrated and angry. But I don't think any other politician would have had a different impact. Look at Europe. They all also waited before making major actions.

Bwahahahaha. You really don't think that political leadership matters? Both in the long and the short term, if we had a president who understood epidemics we would have a CDC pandemic team in place, we would have authorized the CDC to use the WHO test, we would have incentivized labs and private manufacturers to ramp up production of tests, masks, and other essential medical equipment, we would have not made crazy announcements to upset the stock market. We would not have politicized the pandemic and we would not have to hear idiotic statements about transcripts and pleas to avoid testing to keep numbers artificially low. Elections matter.

The government should have set up production in this country back in December to start making masks for everyone, test kids, hospital supplies, hand sanitizer etc. This we knew was coming. Anyone who was watching China back in December knew this was coming. The US failed!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 70yo in-laws still seem entirely unconcerned about all this, except not being able to buy toilet paper and other goods. Apparently this a running theme with older republicans....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/14/older-americans-are-more-worried-about-coronavirus-unless-theyre-republican/

Younger Republicans too. Check out #coronakatie on Twitter.

Then they weren't watching Tucker Carlson who is pretty much the only news personality right or left who has been sounding the alarm since the week of January 20.

[Anonymous]

https://www.roi-nj.com/2020/03/14/opinion/life-at-the-epicenter-of-n-j-s-coronavirus-outbreak/

Holy Name CEO Maron, with 11 current cases and six patients in the ICU, says state may not realize how serious this: ‘There is absolute reason to be extremely cautious, to be very concerned’