ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Is consensus opinion now that MLSN Homegrown and Academy will both go SY?

Yes, I believe so.

A better answer is no

MLS1 will go SY, but cheaters can still use biobanding to continue to play down to stay in MLS1.

When MLS Next teams use biobanding as a way to play down for wins then sure I agree its cheating.

But if you haven't noticed MLS N has tried hiding younger player scores in multiple ways. The reason they're doing this is because MLS N is setup for identifying and developing talent so they can play professionally. In this environment biobanding down isnt a good thing. Its a last resort for players about to be dropped.

Leagues like ECNL and GA and whatever are setup for getting players into college. In this environment playing down cant be accepted because recruiters are only looking at players for 1-2 years. Also when they're recruiting the first thing they want to know is which year will this player graduate. After this is established they'll look at other attributes and rank the player accordingly.

The person thats so passionate about playing down is likely a private school parent that bought into the nonsense that they can hold their kid back in school so they can be the biggest and oldest. Surpirse! Soccer doesnt work that way. Go find a different sport. Oh and btw private schools want you to regrade your kid because they make and extra year or two of tuition this way. Why find more students when you can just make the current students stay in school longer.

No one wants kids to be a reclass. We are just calling you out for thinking an Aug kid is playing down.

Also you don’t know what you’re talking about my daughter goes to private school and not 1 girl she went to school with from kindergarten to now 9th grade is held back actually it’s much more common for girls to start school early. So they are young for their grade. Will be 16 to start their senior year.

Go outside and breath some fresh air. The grad year monster isn’t real. You’re going to be okay.

It's funny you write in such absolutes.

You think you know everything but whatever you write shows how close minded and incorrect you are.

Some people will just have to learn the hard way that theyre not wanted. For you it will happen at tryouts next season.

The grad monster is a figment of your imagination. Just like the villainous August girl that went to school on time is your bogeyman.

What you dont understand because you're a littles parent or playing on a team with no chance of being recruited to play in college is that playing down a grade is a trap. Choosing to play down for wins is not goid you think you're doing some great thing but you're not. Adversity and being challenged are what develops a player. The longer Aug birthdays play down the harder it will be to play on a team with players their age. Eventually you'll be forced to do something. Because you chose to play down what you'll do is hold your kid back in school. This is because its easier and it validates your stupid decisions. Leagues and clubs dont want to be the reason why children are held back in school this is why the top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. Since you are hard headed I'm sure you'll shop around and find some kind of land of misfit toys team to play on and they'll be terrible. Instead of wasting all your time trying to play down just play on the B team with players your kids grade. Then work your way to the A team. This is the correct pathway.

This is just nonsense word salad. Aug players will play their correct age group just like Jan players do now. It will be no different. It was not different before (pre 2016), why would it suddenly change now? Every top club will try and collect as many early fall birthdays as possible for each age group. No one is gonna give a shit about what you’re saying here.

When top clubs publish their age groupings for tryouts in the spring they will all be 8/1-7/31.

I know you can’t stop posting for some reason, and clearly you have some sort of internal issue going on, but take a break. Move on to a different argument or something. Find a different angle to cry about. This is getting old.

No, just like back in 2016 Aug birthdays will be told to play on a team with players their grade not on the team with players a grade below them.

For the exact reasons PP listed.

Dude, I know this is you. Just stop. Aug birthdays played in their SY grouping back then. I know because I was there and coached. No one, at any large club, cared what grade a player was in. They only cared if they were eligible for an age group. That’s it. We didn’t even collect what grade players were in!

Oh so now you're larping as a coach.

I was there as well and top teams would not let players play down a grade. This is because players and teams are an investment. It takes time to develop a winning club. Shortcuts like playing down dont work long term.

Clubs don’t know or care what grade players are in. They don’t give a single shit. It’s such a dumb argument that it is baffling. Part of what is extra funny about your argument is that it assumes clubs care about an individual players development and will force players to play up to help them. That is one of the most clueless things I’ve read on here.

Opinions can differ but I just think the arguments this person presented to push for SY but 2 months exemption for kids in the wrong grade was dumber. His hating August players also seems less dangerous.

I think you're referring to SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Its all the same issue. You have school districts starting at different times. It you're planning to change from BY to SY to get rid of trapped players fine. But, you dont want to create different issues (Aug birthdays playing down) to address because if this is the case you're not really fixing anything. You're just trading one issue for another.

If nothing is done to address playing down in 10 years the GY people will try to switch from SY to GY. Its called a slippery slope.

Told y'all it was the same lune.

Theres no "y'all' just you

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Theres no hate for players.

There is hate for parents who purposely look to play Aug birthdays down a grade for wins.

Play on your kids grade A team. If thats not possible play on your kids grade B team.

There’s obviously some dark stuff going on with you maybe a high school bully or a classmate who was born in Aug who took your spot.

ECNL has already told its directors any Aug-Dec player who is top tier can play up next year. But ECNL wants kids who fall into the Aug to Dec age group to join the new teams next year.

An Aug kid is just playing what the new age group will be and yes some might be the grade higher but why is that such an issue for you that some kids born in 1 month of the year will be playing with kids the grade below but you aren’t screaming from the mountain top that BY has kids born in at least 5 months of the year playing with kids the grade below.

Unless you are arguing that all kids should be with their grade which means you are actually pushing for grad year?…

Nice try. For those that dont know.

GY = ANY student a certain grade can play on the team
SY = Students a certain grade and born within a certain eligibility window 8/1-7/31 can play on the team.

In GY what happens is parents hold their kids back 1-2 years so they're 16 year old freshman and 20 year old seniors in HS. Usually GY star freshman flame out by Junior year.

If we start forcing Aug to Dec kids to play on the age group above wouldn’t parents just hold them back ? So that way a crazy parent doesn’t yell that they are the grade above?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Theres no hate for players.

There is hate for parents who purposely look to play Aug birthdays down a grade for wins.

Play on your kids grade A team. If thats not possible play on your kids grade B team.

There’s obviously some dark stuff going on with you maybe a high school bully or a classmate who was born in Aug who took your spot.

ECNL has already told its directors any Aug-Dec player who is top tier can play up next year. But ECNL wants kids who fall into the Aug to Dec age group to join the new teams next year.

An Aug kid is just playing what the new age group will be and yes some might be the grade higher but why is that such an issue for you that some kids born in 1 month of the year will be playing with kids the grade below but you aren’t screaming from the mountain top that BY has kids born in at least 5 months of the year playing with kids the grade below.

Unless you are arguing that all kids should be with their grade which means you are actually pushing for grad year?…

Nice try. For those that dont know.

GY = ANY student a certain grade can play on the team
SY = Students a certain grade and born within a certain eligibility window 8/1-7/31 can play on the team.

In GY what happens is parents hold their kids back 1-2 years so they're 16 year old freshman and 20 year old seniors in HS. Usually GY star freshman flame out by Junior year.

If we start forcing Aug to Dec kids to play on the age group above wouldn’t parents just hold them back ? So that way a crazy parent doesn’t yell that they are the grade above?

This makes no sense and is stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Theres no hate for players.

There is hate for parents who purposely look to play Aug birthdays down a grade for wins.

Play on your kids grade A team. If thats not possible play on your kids grade B team.

There’s obviously some dark stuff going on with you maybe a high school bully or a classmate who was born in Aug who took your spot.

ECNL has already told its directors any Aug-Dec player who is top tier can play up next year. But ECNL wants kids who fall into the Aug to Dec age group to join the new teams next year.

An Aug kid is just playing what the new age group will be and yes some might be the grade higher but why is that such an issue for you that some kids born in 1 month of the year will be playing with kids the grade below but you aren’t screaming from the mountain top that BY has kids born in at least 5 months of the year playing with kids the grade below.

Unless you are arguing that all kids should be with their grade which means you are actually pushing for grad year?…

Nice try. For those that dont know.

GY = ANY student a certain grade can play on the team
SY = Students a certain grade and born within a certain eligibility window 8/1-7/31 can play on the team.

In GY what happens is parents hold their kids back 1-2 years so they're 16 year old freshman and 20 year old seniors in HS. Usually GY star freshman flame out by Junior year.

If we start forcing Aug to Dec kids to play on the age group above wouldn’t parents just hold them back ? So that way a crazy parent doesn’t yell that they are the grade above?

This makes no sense and is stupid.

You’ve been arguing that GY is bad because parents will hold their kid back to get an age advantage but if we force even just Aug kids who are grade misaligned to play up wouldn’t the parents just start holding them back so they won’t be at a disadvantage?

You’ve literally been saying GY is bad because of hold backs but then say well Aug parents won’t hold their kid back that’s stupid and the only reason that’s stupid to you is because you are indeed
the person from the Mac Dre song stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Theres no hate for players.

There is hate for parents who purposely look to play Aug birthdays down a grade for wins.

Play on your kids grade A team. If thats not possible play on your kids grade B team.

There’s obviously some dark stuff going on with you maybe a high school bully or a classmate who was born in Aug who took your spot.

ECNL has already told its directors any Aug-Dec player who is top tier can play up next year. But ECNL wants kids who fall into the Aug to Dec age group to join the new teams next year.

An Aug kid is just playing what the new age group will be and yes some might be the grade higher but why is that such an issue for you that some kids born in 1 month of the year will be playing with kids the grade below but you aren’t screaming from the mountain top that BY has kids born in at least 5 months of the year playing with kids the grade below.

Unless you are arguing that all kids should be with their grade which means you are actually pushing for grad year?…

Nice try. For those that dont know.

GY = ANY student a certain grade can play on the team
SY = Students a certain grade and born within a certain eligibility window 8/1-7/31 can play on the team.

In GY what happens is parents hold their kids back 1-2 years so they're 16 year old freshman and 20 year old seniors in HS. Usually GY star freshman flame out by Junior year.

If we start forcing Aug to Dec kids to play on the age group above wouldn’t parents just hold them back ? So that way a crazy parent doesn’t yell that they are the grade above?

This makes no sense and is stupid.

You’ve been arguing that GY is bad because parents will hold their kid back to get an age advantage but if we force even just Aug kids who are grade misaligned to play up wouldn’t the parents just start holding them back so they won’t be at a disadvantage?

You’ve literally been saying GY is bad because of hold backs but then say well Aug parents won’t hold their kid back that’s stupid and the only reason that’s stupid to you is because you are indeed
the person from the Mac Dre song stupid.

Again this is stupid.

Now go sit in the corner and think about how stupid what you wrote is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Theres no hate for players.

There is hate for parents who purposely look to play Aug birthdays down a grade for wins.

Play on your kids grade A team. If thats not possible play on your kids grade B team.

There’s obviously some dark stuff going on with you maybe a high school bully or a classmate who was born in Aug who took your spot.

ECNL has already told its directors any Aug-Dec player who is top tier can play up next year. But ECNL wants kids who fall into the Aug to Dec age group to join the new teams next year.

An Aug kid is just playing what the new age group will be and yes some might be the grade higher but why is that such an issue for you that some kids born in 1 month of the year will be playing with kids the grade below but you aren’t screaming from the mountain top that BY has kids born in at least 5 months of the year playing with kids the grade below.

Unless you are arguing that all kids should be with their grade which means you are actually pushing for grad year?…

Nice try. For those that dont know.

GY = ANY student a certain grade can play on the team
SY = Students a certain grade and born within a certain eligibility window 8/1-7/31 can play on the team.

In GY what happens is parents hold their kids back 1-2 years so they're 16 year old freshman and 20 year old seniors in HS. Usually GY star freshman flame out by Junior year.

If we start forcing Aug to Dec kids to play on the age group above wouldn’t parents just hold them back ? So that way a crazy parent doesn’t yell that they are the grade above?

This makes no sense and is stupid.

You’ve been arguing that GY is bad because parents will hold their kid back to get an age advantage but if we force even just Aug kids who are grade misaligned to play up wouldn’t the parents just start holding them back so they won’t be at a disadvantage?

You’ve literally been saying GY is bad because of hold backs but then say well Aug parents won’t hold their kid back that’s stupid and the only reason that’s stupid to you is because you are indeed
the person from the Mac Dre song stupid.

Again this is stupid.

Now go sit in the corner and think about how stupid what you wrote is.

Lol this is like the spider man meme where they are pointing at themselves. This is your logic pointed back at you.

You’re the one to dumb to realize it.

[Anonymous]

Just wanted to confirm MLSN is switching to 8/1 starting next year. My son’s coach mentioned it to me and some other parents before the game. I don’t think the real academy will switch but he didn’t mention them. So I have no idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just wanted to confirm MLSN is switching to 8/1 starting next year. My son’s coach mentioned it to me and some other parents before the game. I don’t think the real academy will switch but he didn’t mention them. So I have no idea.

Can you find out if your team hates kids with August birthdays or if they are stupid instead?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son's coach at loudoun asked today how many on the team have birthdays between August and December. He said cause the club is going school year.

What league or soccer organization does your son play?

[Anonymous]

Everyone is changing to 8/1 as of now except mlsnext. Speculation is they will as well, that’s what we’ve heard from our club, but no announcement as of yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is consensus opinion now that MLSN Homegrown and Academy will both go SY?

Yes, I believe so.

A better answer is no

MLS1 will go SY, but cheaters can still use biobanding to continue to play down to stay in MLS1.

When MLS Next teams use biobanding as a way to play down for wins then sure I agree its cheating.

But if you haven't noticed MLS N has tried hiding younger player scores in multiple ways. The reason they're doing this is because MLS N is setup for identifying and developing talent so they can play professionally. In this environment biobanding down isnt a good thing. Its a last resort for players about to be dropped.

Leagues like ECNL and GA and whatever are setup for getting players into college. In this environment playing down cant be accepted because recruiters are only looking at players for 1-2 years. Also when they're recruiting the first thing they want to know is which year will this player graduate. After this is established they'll look at other attributes and rank the player accordingly.

The person thats so passionate about playing down is likely a private school parent that bought into the nonsense that they can hold their kid back in school so they can be the biggest and oldest. Surpirse! Soccer doesnt work that way. Go find a different sport. Oh and btw private schools want you to regrade your kid because they make and extra year or two of tuition this way. Why find more students when you can just make the current students stay in school longer.

No one wants kids to be a reclass. We are just calling you out for thinking an Aug kid is playing down.

Also you don’t know what you’re talking about my daughter goes to private school and not 1 girl she went to school with from kindergarten to now 9th grade is held back actually it’s much more common for girls to start school early. So they are young for their grade. Will be 16 to start their senior year.

Go outside and breath some fresh air. The grad year monster isn’t real. You’re going to be okay.

It's funny you write in such absolutes.

You think you know everything but whatever you write shows how close minded and incorrect you are.

Some people will just have to learn the hard way that theyre not wanted. For you it will happen at tryouts next season.

The grad monster is a figment of your imagination. Just like the villainous August girl that went to school on time is your bogeyman.

What you dont understand because you're a littles parent or playing on a team with no chance of being recruited to play in college is that playing down a grade is a trap. Choosing to play down for wins is not goid you think you're doing some great thing but you're not. Adversity and being challenged are what develops a player. The longer Aug birthdays play down the harder it will be to play on a team with players their age. Eventually you'll be forced to do something. Because you chose to play down what you'll do is hold your kid back in school. This is because its easier and it validates your stupid decisions. Leagues and clubs dont want to be the reason why children are held back in school this is why the top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. Since you are hard headed I'm sure you'll shop around and find some kind of land of misfit toys team to play on and they'll be terrible. Instead of wasting all your time trying to play down just play on the B team with players your kids grade. Then work your way to the A team. This is the correct pathway.

This is just nonsense word salad. Aug players will play their correct age group just like Jan players do now. It will be no different. It was not different before (pre 2016), why would it suddenly change now? Every top club will try and collect as many early fall birthdays as possible for each age group. No one is gonna give a shit about what you’re saying here.

When top clubs publish their age groupings for tryouts in the spring they will all be 8/1-7/31.

I know you can’t stop posting for some reason, and clearly you have some sort of internal issue going on, but take a break. Move on to a different argument or something. Find a different angle to cry about. This is getting old.

No, just like back in 2016 Aug birthdays will be told to play on a team with players their grade not on the team with players a grade below them.

For the exact reasons PP listed.

Dude, I know this is you. Just stop. Aug birthdays played in their SY grouping back then. I know because I was there and coached. No one, at any large club, cared what grade a player was in. They only cared if they were eligible for an age group. That’s it. We didn’t even collect what grade players were in!

Oh so now you're larping as a coach.

I was there as well and top teams would not let players play down a grade. This is because players and teams are an investment. It takes time to develop a winning club. Shortcuts like playing down dont work long term.

What club are you at the values long term investment? Clubs want to win now and value $$$. The only clubs making money by investing long term in players are mls academies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry all- I’m still not seeing a concrete response here, I apologize if this has been settled. Are boys moving to the SY cutoff next year too? ECNL yes? Maybe? MLSNEXT yes/no/undecided?
Does anyone actually know or is it still just speculation?
Thanks

ALL GIRLS soccer leagues and organizations have confirmed moving to SY (USYS, USCS, GA, DPL, ECNL, AYSO, NAL, NPL …)

Regarding BOYS also ALL soccer and leagues organizations have announced moving to SY with the exception of MLS NEXT.

There is a lot of talk and gossip about MLS NEXT moving to SY but it is still unconfirmed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is changing to 8/1 as of now except mlsnext. Speculation is they will as well, that’s what we’ve heard from our club, but no announcement as of yet.

100%, same here, our club director’s hint is Mlsnext will move to SY, but nobody know the truth.

[Anonymous]

* nobody knows the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry all- I’m still not seeing a concrete response here, I apologize if this has been settled. Are boys moving to the SY cutoff next year too? ECNL yes? Maybe? MLSNEXT yes/no/undecided?
Does anyone actually know or is it still just speculation?
Thanks

ALL GIRLS soccer leagues and organizations have confirmed moving to SY (USYS, USCS, GA, DPL, ECNL, AYSO, NAL, NPL …)

Regarding BOYS also ALL soccer and leagues organizations have announced moving to SY with the exception of MLS NEXT.

There is a lot of talk and gossip about MLS NEXT moving to SY but it is still unconfirmed.

100% agree