ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Is consensus opinion now that MLSN Homegrown and Academy will both go SY?

Yes, I believe so.

A better answer is no

MLS1 will go SY, but cheaters can still use biobanding to continue to play down to stay in MLS1.

When MLS Next teams use biobanding as a way to play down for wins then sure I agree its cheating.

But if you haven't noticed MLS N has tried hiding younger player scores in multiple ways. The reason they're doing this is because MLS N is setup for identifying and developing talent so they can play professionally. In this environment biobanding down isnt a good thing. Its a last resort for players about to be dropped.

Leagues like ECNL and GA and whatever are setup for getting players into college. In this environment playing down cant be accepted because recruiters are only looking at players for 1-2 years. Also when they're recruiting the first thing they want to know is which year will this player graduate. After this is established they'll look at other attributes and rank the player accordingly.

The person thats so passionate about playing down is likely a private school parent that bought into the nonsense that they can hold their kid back in school so they can be the biggest and oldest. Surpirse! Soccer doesnt work that way. Go find a different sport. Oh and btw private schools want you to regrade your kid because they make and extra year or two of tuition this way. Why find more students when you can just make the current students stay in school longer.

No one wants kids to be a reclass. We are just calling you out for thinking an Aug kid is playing down.

Also you don’t know what you’re talking about my daughter goes to private school and not 1 girl she went to school with from kindergarten to now 9th grade is held back actually it’s much more common for girls to start school early. So they are young for their grade. Will be 16 to start their senior year.

Go outside and breath some fresh air. The grad year monster isn’t real. You’re going to be okay.

It's funny you write in such absolutes.

You think you know everything but whatever you write shows how close minded and incorrect you are.

Some people will just have to learn the hard way that theyre not wanted. For you it will happen at tryouts next season.

The grad monster is a figment of your imagination. Just like the villainous August girl that went to school on time is your bogeyman.

What you dont understand because you're a littles parent or playing on a team with no chance of being recruited to play in college is that playing down a grade is a trap. Choosing to play down for wins is not goid you think you're doing some great thing but you're not. Adversity and being challenged are what develops a player. The longer Aug birthdays play down the harder it will be to play on a team with players their age. Eventually you'll be forced to do something. Because you chose to play down what you'll do is hold your kid back in school. This is because its easier and it validates your stupid decisions. Leagues and clubs dont want to be the reason why children are held back in school this is why the top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. Since you are hard headed I'm sure you'll shop around and find some kind of land of misfit toys team to play on and they'll be terrible. Instead of wasting all your time trying to play down just play on the B team with players your kids grade. Then work your way to the A team. This is the correct pathway.

This is just nonsense word salad. Aug players will play their correct age group just like Jan players do now. It will be no different. It was not different before (pre 2016), why would it suddenly change now? Every top club will try and collect as many early fall birthdays as possible for each age group. No one is gonna give a shit about what you’re saying here.

When top clubs publish their age groupings for tryouts in the spring they will all be 8/1-7/31.

I know you can’t stop posting for some reason, and clearly you have some sort of internal issue going on, but take a break. Move on to a different argument or something. Find a different angle to cry about. This is getting old.

No, just like back in 2016 Aug birthdays will be told to play on a team with players their grade not on the team with players a grade below them.

For the exact reasons PP listed.

Dude, I know this is you. Just stop. Aug birthdays played in their SY grouping back then. I know because I was there and coached. No one, at any large club, cared what grade a player was in. They only cared if they were eligible for an age group. That’s it. We didn’t even collect what grade players were in!

Oh so now you're larping as a coach.

I was there as well and top teams would not let players play down a grade. This is because players and teams are an investment. It takes time to develop a winning club. Shortcuts like playing down dont work long term.

Clubs don’t know or care what grade players are in. They don’t give a single shit. It’s such a dumb argument that it is baffling. Part of what is extra funny about your argument is that it assumes clubs care about an individual players development and will force players to play up to help them. That is one of the most clueless things I’ve read on here.

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What you dont understand because you're a littles parent or playing on a team with no chance of being recruited to play in college is that playing down a grade is a trap. Choosing to play down for wins is not goid you think you're doing some great thing but you're not. Adversity and being challenged are what develops a player. The longer Aug birthdays play down the harder it will be to play on a team with players their age. Eventually you'll be forced to do something. Because you chose to play down what you'll do is hold your kid back in school. This is because its easier and it validates your stupid decisions. Leagues and clubs dont want to be the reason why children are held back in school this is why the top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. Since you are hard headed I'm sure you'll shop around and find some kind of land of misfit toys team to play on and they'll be terrible. Instead of wasting all your time trying to play down just play on the B team with players your kids grade. Then work your way to the A team. This is the correct pathway.

I don't understand why this poster has a problem with this for the August players but not for any other September - December birthdays who are in this situation due to their local school cut-offs. Do you think a November player in a state with a 12/1 school cut-off should not play in their assigned 8/1-7/31 age grouping of 12 months, even if it's mostly with kids who are in the younger grade? It would be unreasonable to expect them to play up, when their are 3 months of kids OLDER than them within their assigned age-division.

I would think playing at the appropriate level (A, B, C team, whatever) within their assigned age group is the best course for playing in the right level for them, particularly as a ULittle looking for development. If they are a strong player, at young ages they will benefit from all the boosts of an A team, often with better coaching, more practices, and more committed teammates. If recruiting/college becomes important to them at older ages, they can then work to move to their grade-level team at the appropriate time (a move that should be less daunting at older ages, since the difference in age lessens over time), or heck, they could choose to take a gap year between high school and college to be on the right recruiting cycle for their Seasonal Year age group.

Who knows, it's up to them. They can also choose to play up with their grade. The ability to choose what fits them best is wonderful.

But playing in their assigned age group, whether August, September, November, whatever, is not "playing down for wins." It's leveling within the appropriate age group for development.

Your logic is stupid.

Every time a player plays down with a younger grade they are taking opportunities from players in that grade. It's not some magical thing that Aug birthdays are blessed with. That are taking resources and opportunities from players and teams they have no intention on staying with if they plan to get recruited to play in college. (Unless they regrade down which clubs and leagues dont want)

Its a dead-end road that only leads to problems for everyone involved.

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Anonymous wrote:Is consensus opinion now that MLSN Homegrown and Academy will both go SY?

Yes, I believe so.

A better answer is no

MLS1 will go SY, but cheaters can still use biobanding to continue to play down to stay in MLS1.

When MLS Next teams use biobanding as a way to play down for wins then sure I agree its cheating.

But if you haven't noticed MLS N has tried hiding younger player scores in multiple ways. The reason they're doing this is because MLS N is setup for identifying and developing talent so they can play professionally. In this environment biobanding down isnt a good thing. Its a last resort for players about to be dropped.

Leagues like ECNL and GA and whatever are setup for getting players into college. In this environment playing down cant be accepted because recruiters are only looking at players for 1-2 years. Also when they're recruiting the first thing they want to know is which year will this player graduate. After this is established they'll look at other attributes and rank the player accordingly.

The person thats so passionate about playing down is likely a private school parent that bought into the nonsense that they can hold their kid back in school so they can be the biggest and oldest. Surpirse! Soccer doesnt work that way. Go find a different sport. Oh and btw private schools want you to regrade your kid because they make and extra year or two of tuition this way. Why find more students when you can just make the current students stay in school longer.

No one wants kids to be a reclass. We are just calling you out for thinking an Aug kid is playing down.

Also you don’t know what you’re talking about my daughter goes to private school and not 1 girl she went to school with from kindergarten to now 9th grade is held back actually it’s much more common for girls to start school early. So they are young for their grade. Will be 16 to start their senior year.

Go outside and breath some fresh air. The grad year monster isn’t real. You’re going to be okay.

It's funny you write in such absolutes.

You think you know everything but whatever you write shows how close minded and incorrect you are.

Some people will just have to learn the hard way that theyre not wanted. For you it will happen at tryouts next season.

The grad monster is a figment of your imagination. Just like the villainous August girl that went to school on time is your bogeyman.

What you dont understand because you're a littles parent or playing on a team with no chance of being recruited to play in college is that playing down a grade is a trap. Choosing to play down for wins is not goid you think you're doing some great thing but you're not. Adversity and being challenged are what develops a player. The longer Aug birthdays play down the harder it will be to play on a team with players their age. Eventually you'll be forced to do something. Because you chose to play down what you'll do is hold your kid back in school. This is because its easier and it validates your stupid decisions. Leagues and clubs dont want to be the reason why children are held back in school this is why the top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. Since you are hard headed I'm sure you'll shop around and find some kind of land of misfit toys team to play on and they'll be terrible. Instead of wasting all your time trying to play down just play on the B team with players your kids grade. Then work your way to the A team. This is the correct pathway.

This is just nonsense word salad. Aug players will play their correct age group just like Jan players do now. It will be no different. It was not different before (pre 2016), why would it suddenly change now? Every top club will try and collect as many early fall birthdays as possible for each age group. No one is gonna give a shit about what you’re saying here.

When top clubs publish their age groupings for tryouts in the spring they will all be 8/1-7/31.

I know you can’t stop posting for some reason, and clearly you have some sort of internal issue going on, but take a break. Move on to a different argument or something. Find a different angle to cry about. This is getting old.

No, just like back in 2016 Aug birthdays will be told to play on a team with players their grade not on the team with players a grade below them.

For the exact reasons PP listed.

Dude, I know this is you. Just stop. Aug birthdays played in their SY grouping back then. I know because I was there and coached. No one, at any large club, cared what grade a player was in. They only cared if they were eligible for an age group. That’s it. We didn’t even collect what grade players were in!

Oh so now you're larping as a coach.

I was there as well and top teams would not let players play down a grade. This is because players and teams are an investment. It takes time to develop a winning club. Shortcuts like playing down dont work long term.

Clubs don’t know or care what grade players are in. They don’t give a single shit. It’s such a dumb argument that it is baffling. Part of what is extra funny about your argument is that it assumes clubs care about an individual players development and will force players to play up to help them. That is one of the most clueless things I’ve read on here.

Clubs do care what grade players are because they want them to be recruitable for college when they're older.

This is because showing the number of college commitments on Instagram is a proven way to grown the club.

[Anonymous]

My son's coach at loudoun asked today how many on the team have birthdays between August and December. He said cause the club is going school year.

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Anonymous wrote:Is consensus opinion now that MLSN Homegrown and Academy will both go SY?

Yes, I believe so.

A better answer is no

MLS1 will go SY, but cheaters can still use biobanding to continue to play down to stay in MLS1.

When MLS Next teams use biobanding as a way to play down for wins then sure I agree its cheating.

But if you haven't noticed MLS N has tried hiding younger player scores in multiple ways. The reason they're doing this is because MLS N is setup for identifying and developing talent so they can play professionally. In this environment biobanding down isnt a good thing. Its a last resort for players about to be dropped.

Leagues like ECNL and GA and whatever are setup for getting players into college. In this environment playing down cant be accepted because recruiters are only looking at players for 1-2 years. Also when they're recruiting the first thing they want to know is which year will this player graduate. After this is established they'll look at other attributes and rank the player accordingly.

The person thats so passionate about playing down is likely a private school parent that bought into the nonsense that they can hold their kid back in school so they can be the biggest and oldest. Surpirse! Soccer doesnt work that way. Go find a different sport. Oh and btw private schools want you to regrade your kid because they make and extra year or two of tuition this way. Why find more students when you can just make the current students stay in school longer.

No one wants kids to be a reclass. We are just calling you out for thinking an Aug kid is playing down.

Also you don’t know what you’re talking about my daughter goes to private school and not 1 girl she went to school with from kindergarten to now 9th grade is held back actually it’s much more common for girls to start school early. So they are young for their grade. Will be 16 to start their senior year.

Go outside and breath some fresh air. The grad year monster isn’t real. You’re going to be okay.

It's funny you write in such absolutes.

You think you know everything but whatever you write shows how close minded and incorrect you are.

Some people will just have to learn the hard way that theyre not wanted. For you it will happen at tryouts next season.

The grad monster is a figment of your imagination. Just like the villainous August girl that went to school on time is your bogeyman.

What you dont understand because you're a littles parent or playing on a team with no chance of being recruited to play in college is that playing down a grade is a trap. Choosing to play down for wins is not goid you think you're doing some great thing but you're not. Adversity and being challenged are what develops a player. The longer Aug birthdays play down the harder it will be to play on a team with players their age. Eventually you'll be forced to do something. Because you chose to play down what you'll do is hold your kid back in school. This is because its easier and it validates your stupid decisions. Leagues and clubs dont want to be the reason why children are held back in school this is why the top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. Since you are hard headed I'm sure you'll shop around and find some kind of land of misfit toys team to play on and they'll be terrible. Instead of wasting all your time trying to play down just play on the B team with players your kids grade. Then work your way to the A team. This is the correct pathway.

How does any of this affect your September daughter? Oh right, she would be the oldest on the team.

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Anonymous wrote:Is consensus opinion now that MLSN Homegrown and Academy will both go SY?

Yes, I believe so.

A better answer is no

MLS1 will go SY, but cheaters can still use biobanding to continue to play down to stay in MLS1.

When MLS Next teams use biobanding as a way to play down for wins then sure I agree its cheating.

But if you haven't noticed MLS N has tried hiding younger player scores in multiple ways. The reason they're doing this is because MLS N is setup for identifying and developing talent so they can play professionally. In this environment biobanding down isnt a good thing. Its a last resort for players about to be dropped.

Leagues like ECNL and GA and whatever are setup for getting players into college. In this environment playing down cant be accepted because recruiters are only looking at players for 1-2 years. Also when they're recruiting the first thing they want to know is which year will this player graduate. After this is established they'll look at other attributes and rank the player accordingly.

The person thats so passionate about playing down is likely a private school parent that bought into the nonsense that they can hold their kid back in school so they can be the biggest and oldest. Surpirse! Soccer doesnt work that way. Go find a different sport. Oh and btw private schools want you to regrade your kid because they make and extra year or two of tuition this way. Why find more students when you can just make the current students stay in school longer.

No one wants kids to be a reclass. We are just calling you out for thinking an Aug kid is playing down.

Also you don’t know what you’re talking about my daughter goes to private school and not 1 girl she went to school with from kindergarten to now 9th grade is held back actually it’s much more common for girls to start school early. So they are young for their grade. Will be 16 to start their senior year.

Go outside and breath some fresh air. The grad year monster isn’t real. You’re going to be okay.

It's funny you write in such absolutes.

You think you know everything but whatever you write shows how close minded and incorrect you are.

Some people will just have to learn the hard way that theyre not wanted. For you it will happen at tryouts next season.

The grad monster is a figment of your imagination. Just like the villainous August girl that went to school on time is your bogeyman.

What you dont understand because you're a littles parent or playing on a team with no chance of being recruited to play in college is that playing down a grade is a trap. Choosing to play down for wins is not goid you think you're doing some great thing but you're not. Adversity and being challenged are what develops a player. The longer Aug birthdays play down the harder it will be to play on a team with players their age. Eventually you'll be forced to do something. Because you chose to play down what you'll do is hold your kid back in school. This is because its easier and it validates your stupid decisions. Leagues and clubs dont want to be the reason why children are held back in school this is why the top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. Since you are hard headed I'm sure you'll shop around and find some kind of land of misfit toys team to play on and they'll be terrible. Instead of wasting all your time trying to play down just play on the B team with players your kids grade. Then work your way to the A team. This is the correct pathway.

How does any of this affect your September daughter? Oh right, she would be the oldest on the team.

So you dont read...

1. Your kid will be playing down with a younger grade team and embarrassed
2. You are taking resources from players the correct grade in school (not that you care)
3. You can always play on the B team with players your kids grade in school
4. Eventually your kid will need to play on the correct grade team to get recruited

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Anonymous wrote:Is consensus opinion now that MLSN Homegrown and Academy will both go SY?

Yes, I believe so.

A better answer is no

MLS1 will go SY, but cheaters can still use biobanding to continue to play down to stay in MLS1.

When MLS Next teams use biobanding as a way to play down for wins then sure I agree its cheating.

But if you haven't noticed MLS N has tried hiding younger player scores in multiple ways. The reason they're doing this is because MLS N is setup for identifying and developing talent so they can play professionally. In this environment biobanding down isnt a good thing. Its a last resort for players about to be dropped.

Leagues like ECNL and GA and whatever are setup for getting players into college. In this environment playing down cant be accepted because recruiters are only looking at players for 1-2 years. Also when they're recruiting the first thing they want to know is which year will this player graduate. After this is established they'll look at other attributes and rank the player accordingly.

The person thats so passionate about playing down is likely a private school parent that bought into the nonsense that they can hold their kid back in school so they can be the biggest and oldest. Surpirse! Soccer doesnt work that way. Go find a different sport. Oh and btw private schools want you to regrade your kid because they make and extra year or two of tuition this way. Why find more students when you can just make the current students stay in school longer.

No one wants kids to be a reclass. We are just calling you out for thinking an Aug kid is playing down.

Also you don’t know what you’re talking about my daughter goes to private school and not 1 girl she went to school with from kindergarten to now 9th grade is held back actually it’s much more common for girls to start school early. So they are young for their grade. Will be 16 to start their senior year.

Go outside and breath some fresh air. The grad year monster isn’t real. You’re going to be okay.

It's funny you write in such absolutes.

You think you know everything but whatever you write shows how close minded and incorrect you are.

Some people will just have to learn the hard way that theyre not wanted. For you it will happen at tryouts next season.

The grad monster is a figment of your imagination. Just like the villainous August girl that went to school on time is your bogeyman.

What you dont understand because you're a littles parent or playing on a team with no chance of being recruited to play in college is that playing down a grade is a trap. Choosing to play down for wins is not goid you think you're doing some great thing but you're not. Adversity and being challenged are what develops a player. The longer Aug birthdays play down the harder it will be to play on a team with players their age. Eventually you'll be forced to do something. Because you chose to play down what you'll do is hold your kid back in school. This is because its easier and it validates your stupid decisions. Leagues and clubs dont want to be the reason why children are held back in school this is why the top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. Since you are hard headed I'm sure you'll shop around and find some kind of land of misfit toys team to play on and they'll be terrible. Instead of wasting all your time trying to play down just play on the B team with players your kids grade. Then work your way to the A team. This is the correct pathway.

How does any of this affect your September daughter? Oh right, she would be the oldest on the team.

What are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:Is consensus opinion now that MLSN Homegrown and Academy will both go SY?

Yes, I believe so.

A better answer is no

MLS1 will go SY, but cheaters can still use biobanding to continue to play down to stay in MLS1.

When MLS Next teams use biobanding as a way to play down for wins then sure I agree its cheating.

But if you haven't noticed MLS N has tried hiding younger player scores in multiple ways. The reason they're doing this is because MLS N is setup for identifying and developing talent so they can play professionally. In this environment biobanding down isnt a good thing. Its a last resort for players about to be dropped.

Leagues like ECNL and GA and whatever are setup for getting players into college. In this environment playing down cant be accepted because recruiters are only looking at players for 1-2 years. Also when they're recruiting the first thing they want to know is which year will this player graduate. After this is established they'll look at other attributes and rank the player accordingly.

The person thats so passionate about playing down is likely a private school parent that bought into the nonsense that they can hold their kid back in school so they can be the biggest and oldest. Surpirse! Soccer doesnt work that way. Go find a different sport. Oh and btw private schools want you to regrade your kid because they make and extra year or two of tuition this way. Why find more students when you can just make the current students stay in school longer.

No one wants kids to be a reclass. We are just calling you out for thinking an Aug kid is playing down.

Also you don’t know what you’re talking about my daughter goes to private school and not 1 girl she went to school with from kindergarten to now 9th grade is held back actually it’s much more common for girls to start school early. So they are young for their grade. Will be 16 to start their senior year.

Go outside and breath some fresh air. The grad year monster isn’t real. You’re going to be okay.

It's funny you write in such absolutes.

You think you know everything but whatever you write shows how close minded and incorrect you are.

Some people will just have to learn the hard way that theyre not wanted. For you it will happen at tryouts next season.

The grad monster is a figment of your imagination. Just like the villainous August girl that went to school on time is your bogeyman.

What you dont understand because you're a littles parent or playing on a team with no chance of being recruited to play in college is that playing down a grade is a trap. Choosing to play down for wins is not goid you think you're doing some great thing but you're not. Adversity and being challenged are what develops a player. The longer Aug birthdays play down the harder it will be to play on a team with players their age. Eventually you'll be forced to do something. Because you chose to play down what you'll do is hold your kid back in school. This is because its easier and it validates your stupid decisions. Leagues and clubs dont want to be the reason why children are held back in school this is why the top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. Since you are hard headed I'm sure you'll shop around and find some kind of land of misfit toys team to play on and they'll be terrible. Instead of wasting all your time trying to play down just play on the B team with players your kids grade. Then work your way to the A team. This is the correct pathway.

This is just nonsense word salad. Aug players will play their correct age group just like Jan players do now. It will be no different. It was not different before (pre 2016), why would it suddenly change now? Every top club will try and collect as many early fall birthdays as possible for each age group. No one is gonna give a shit about what you’re saying here.

When top clubs publish their age groupings for tryouts in the spring they will all be 8/1-7/31.

I know you can’t stop posting for some reason, and clearly you have some sort of internal issue going on, but take a break. Move on to a different argument or something. Find a different angle to cry about. This is getting old.

No, just like back in 2016 Aug birthdays will be told to play on a team with players their grade not on the team with players a grade below them.

For the exact reasons PP listed.

Dude, I know this is you. Just stop. Aug birthdays played in their SY grouping back then. I know because I was there and coached. No one, at any large club, cared what grade a player was in. They only cared if they were eligible for an age group. That’s it. We didn’t even collect what grade players were in!

Oh so now you're larping as a coach.

I was there as well and top teams would not let players play down a grade. This is because players and teams are an investment. It takes time to develop a winning club. Shortcuts like playing down dont work long term.

Clubs don’t know or care what grade players are in. They don’t give a single shit. It’s such a dumb argument that it is baffling. Part of what is extra funny about your argument is that it assumes clubs care about an individual players development and will force players to play up to help them. That is one of the most clueless things I’ve read on here.

Opinions can differ but I just think the arguments this person presented to push for SY but 2 months exemption for kids in the wrong grade was dumber. His hating August players also seems less dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Theres no hate for players.

There is hate for parents who purposely look to play Aug birthdays down a grade for wins.

Play on your kids grade A team. If thats not possible play on your kids grade B team.

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Anonymous wrote:Is consensus opinion now that MLSN Homegrown and Academy will both go SY?

Yes, I believe so.

A better answer is no

MLS1 will go SY, but cheaters can still use biobanding to continue to play down to stay in MLS1.

When MLS Next teams use biobanding as a way to play down for wins then sure I agree its cheating.

But if you haven't noticed MLS N has tried hiding younger player scores in multiple ways. The reason they're doing this is because MLS N is setup for identifying and developing talent so they can play professionally. In this environment biobanding down isnt a good thing. Its a last resort for players about to be dropped.

Leagues like ECNL and GA and whatever are setup for getting players into college. In this environment playing down cant be accepted because recruiters are only looking at players for 1-2 years. Also when they're recruiting the first thing they want to know is which year will this player graduate. After this is established they'll look at other attributes and rank the player accordingly.

The person thats so passionate about playing down is likely a private school parent that bought into the nonsense that they can hold their kid back in school so they can be the biggest and oldest. Surpirse! Soccer doesnt work that way. Go find a different sport. Oh and btw private schools want you to regrade your kid because they make and extra year or two of tuition this way. Why find more students when you can just make the current students stay in school longer.

No one wants kids to be a reclass. We are just calling you out for thinking an Aug kid is playing down.

Also you don’t know what you’re talking about my daughter goes to private school and not 1 girl she went to school with from kindergarten to now 9th grade is held back actually it’s much more common for girls to start school early. So they are young for their grade. Will be 16 to start their senior year.

Go outside and breath some fresh air. The grad year monster isn’t real. You’re going to be okay.

It's funny you write in such absolutes.

You think you know everything but whatever you write shows how close minded and incorrect you are.

Some people will just have to learn the hard way that theyre not wanted. For you it will happen at tryouts next season.

The grad monster is a figment of your imagination. Just like the villainous August girl that went to school on time is your bogeyman.

What you dont understand because you're a littles parent or playing on a team with no chance of being recruited to play in college is that playing down a grade is a trap. Choosing to play down for wins is not goid you think you're doing some great thing but you're not. Adversity and being challenged are what develops a player. The longer Aug birthdays play down the harder it will be to play on a team with players their age. Eventually you'll be forced to do something. Because you chose to play down what you'll do is hold your kid back in school. This is because its easier and it validates your stupid decisions. Leagues and clubs dont want to be the reason why children are held back in school this is why the top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. Since you are hard headed I'm sure you'll shop around and find some kind of land of misfit toys team to play on and they'll be terrible. Instead of wasting all your time trying to play down just play on the B team with players your kids grade. Then work your way to the A team. This is the correct pathway.

How does any of this affect your September daughter? Oh right, she would be the oldest on the team.

So you dont read...

1. Your kid will be playing down with a younger grade team and embarrassed
2. You are taking resources from players the correct grade in school (not that you care)
3. You can always play on the B team with players your kids grade in school
4. Eventually your kid will need to play on the correct grade team to get recruited

I don't have an August kid. Or a September kid that I am trying to convince a bunch of anonymous random people that they should create a backdoor system to make them the oldest on their team.

People aren't stumping for their August kids that went to school on time, they are calling out your hypocrisy.

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Anonymous wrote:Is consensus opinion now that MLSN Homegrown and Academy will both go SY?

Yes, I believe so.

A better answer is no

MLS1 will go SY, but cheaters can still use biobanding to continue to play down to stay in MLS1.

When MLS Next teams use biobanding as a way to play down for wins then sure I agree its cheating.

But if you haven't noticed MLS N has tried hiding younger player scores in multiple ways. The reason they're doing this is because MLS N is setup for identifying and developing talent so they can play professionally. In this environment biobanding down isnt a good thing. Its a last resort for players about to be dropped.

Leagues like ECNL and GA and whatever are setup for getting players into college. In this environment playing down cant be accepted because recruiters are only looking at players for 1-2 years. Also when they're recruiting the first thing they want to know is which year will this player graduate. After this is established they'll look at other attributes and rank the player accordingly.

The person thats so passionate about playing down is likely a private school parent that bought into the nonsense that they can hold their kid back in school so they can be the biggest and oldest. Surpirse! Soccer doesnt work that way. Go find a different sport. Oh and btw private schools want you to regrade your kid because they make and extra year or two of tuition this way. Why find more students when you can just make the current students stay in school longer.

No one wants kids to be a reclass. We are just calling you out for thinking an Aug kid is playing down.

Also you don’t know what you’re talking about my daughter goes to private school and not 1 girl she went to school with from kindergarten to now 9th grade is held back actually it’s much more common for girls to start school early. So they are young for their grade. Will be 16 to start their senior year.

Go outside and breath some fresh air. The grad year monster isn’t real. You’re going to be okay.

It's funny you write in such absolutes.

You think you know everything but whatever you write shows how close minded and incorrect you are.

Some people will just have to learn the hard way that theyre not wanted. For you it will happen at tryouts next season.

The grad monster is a figment of your imagination. Just like the villainous August girl that went to school on time is your bogeyman.

What you dont understand because you're a littles parent or playing on a team with no chance of being recruited to play in college is that playing down a grade is a trap. Choosing to play down for wins is not goid you think you're doing some great thing but you're not. Adversity and being challenged are what develops a player. The longer Aug birthdays play down the harder it will be to play on a team with players their age. Eventually you'll be forced to do something. Because you chose to play down what you'll do is hold your kid back in school. This is because its easier and it validates your stupid decisions. Leagues and clubs dont want to be the reason why children are held back in school this is why the top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. Since you are hard headed I'm sure you'll shop around and find some kind of land of misfit toys team to play on and they'll be terrible. Instead of wasting all your time trying to play down just play on the B team with players your kids grade. Then work your way to the A team. This is the correct pathway.

This is just nonsense word salad. Aug players will play their correct age group just like Jan players do now. It will be no different. It was not different before (pre 2016), why would it suddenly change now? Every top club will try and collect as many early fall birthdays as possible for each age group. No one is gonna give a shit about what you’re saying here.

When top clubs publish their age groupings for tryouts in the spring they will all be 8/1-7/31.

I know you can’t stop posting for some reason, and clearly you have some sort of internal issue going on, but take a break. Move on to a different argument or something. Find a different angle to cry about. This is getting old.

No, just like back in 2016 Aug birthdays will be told to play on a team with players their grade not on the team with players a grade below them.

For the exact reasons PP listed.

Dude, I know this is you. Just stop. Aug birthdays played in their SY grouping back then. I know because I was there and coached. No one, at any large club, cared what grade a player was in. They only cared if they were eligible for an age group. That’s it. We didn’t even collect what grade players were in!

Oh so now you're larping as a coach.

I was there as well and top teams would not let players play down a grade. This is because players and teams are an investment. It takes time to develop a winning club. Shortcuts like playing down dont work long term.

Clubs don’t know or care what grade players are in. They don’t give a single shit. It’s such a dumb argument that it is baffling. Part of what is extra funny about your argument is that it assumes clubs care about an individual players development and will force players to play up to help them. That is one of the most clueless things I’ve read on here.

Opinions can differ but I just think the arguments this person presented to push for SY but 2 months exemption for kids in the wrong grade was dumber. His hating August players also seems less dangerous.

I think you're referring to SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Its all the same issue. You have school districts starting at different times. It you're planning to change from BY to SY to get rid of trapped players fine. But, you dont want to create different issues (Aug birthdays playing down) to address because if this is the case you're not really fixing anything. You're just trading one issue for another.

If nothing is done to address playing down in 10 years the GY people will try to switch from SY to GY. Its called a slippery slope.

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Anonymous wrote:Theres no hate for players.

There is hate for parents who purposely look to play Aug birthdays down a grade for wins.

Play on your kids grade A team. If thats not possible play on your kids grade B team.

There’s obviously some dark stuff going on with you maybe a high school bully or a classmate who was born in Aug who took your spot.

ECNL has already told its directors any Aug-Dec player who is top tier can play up next year. But ECNL wants kids who fall into the Aug to Dec age group to join the new teams next year.

An Aug kid is just playing what the new age group will be and yes some might be the grade higher but why is that such an issue for you that some kids born in 1 month of the year will be playing with kids the grade below but you aren’t screaming from the mountain top that BY has kids born in at least 5 months of the year playing with kids the grade below.

Unless you are arguing that all kids should be with their grade which means you are actually pushing for grad year?…

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Anonymous wrote:Is consensus opinion now that MLSN Homegrown and Academy will both go SY?

Yes, I believe so.

A better answer is no

MLS1 will go SY, but cheaters can still use biobanding to continue to play down to stay in MLS1.

When MLS Next teams use biobanding as a way to play down for wins then sure I agree its cheating.

But if you haven't noticed MLS N has tried hiding younger player scores in multiple ways. The reason they're doing this is because MLS N is setup for identifying and developing talent so they can play professionally. In this environment biobanding down isnt a good thing. Its a last resort for players about to be dropped.

Leagues like ECNL and GA and whatever are setup for getting players into college. In this environment playing down cant be accepted because recruiters are only looking at players for 1-2 years. Also when they're recruiting the first thing they want to know is which year will this player graduate. After this is established they'll look at other attributes and rank the player accordingly.

The person thats so passionate about playing down is likely a private school parent that bought into the nonsense that they can hold their kid back in school so they can be the biggest and oldest. Surpirse! Soccer doesnt work that way. Go find a different sport. Oh and btw private schools want you to regrade your kid because they make and extra year or two of tuition this way. Why find more students when you can just make the current students stay in school longer.

No one wants kids to be a reclass. We are just calling you out for thinking an Aug kid is playing down.

Also you don’t know what you’re talking about my daughter goes to private school and not 1 girl she went to school with from kindergarten to now 9th grade is held back actually it’s much more common for girls to start school early. So they are young for their grade. Will be 16 to start their senior year.

Go outside and breath some fresh air. The grad year monster isn’t real. You’re going to be okay.

It's funny you write in such absolutes.

You think you know everything but whatever you write shows how close minded and incorrect you are.

Some people will just have to learn the hard way that theyre not wanted. For you it will happen at tryouts next season.

The grad monster is a figment of your imagination. Just like the villainous August girl that went to school on time is your bogeyman.

What you dont understand because you're a littles parent or playing on a team with no chance of being recruited to play in college is that playing down a grade is a trap. Choosing to play down for wins is not goid you think you're doing some great thing but you're not. Adversity and being challenged are what develops a player. The longer Aug birthdays play down the harder it will be to play on a team with players their age. Eventually you'll be forced to do something. Because you chose to play down what you'll do is hold your kid back in school. This is because its easier and it validates your stupid decisions. Leagues and clubs dont want to be the reason why children are held back in school this is why the top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. Since you are hard headed I'm sure you'll shop around and find some kind of land of misfit toys team to play on and they'll be terrible. Instead of wasting all your time trying to play down just play on the B team with players your kids grade. Then work your way to the A team. This is the correct pathway.

How does any of this affect your September daughter? Oh right, she would be the oldest on the team.

So you dont read...

1. Your kid will be playing down with a younger grade team and embarrassed
2. You are taking resources from players the correct grade in school (not that you care)
3. You can always play on the B team with players your kids grade in school
4. Eventually your kid will need to play on the correct grade team to get recruited

I don't have an August kid. Or a September kid that I am trying to convince a bunch of anonymous random people that they should create a backdoor system to make them the oldest on their team.

People aren't stumping for their August kids that went to school on time, they are calling out your hypocrisy.

Theres no hypocrisy.

The hypocrisy was changing from BY to SY to address trapped players in school. Then pretending grade isn't part of the decision after switching to SY.

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Anonymous wrote:Is consensus opinion now that MLSN Homegrown and Academy will both go SY?

Yes, I believe so.

A better answer is no

MLS1 will go SY, but cheaters can still use biobanding to continue to play down to stay in MLS1.

When MLS Next teams use biobanding as a way to play down for wins then sure I agree its cheating.

But if you haven't noticed MLS N has tried hiding younger player scores in multiple ways. The reason they're doing this is because MLS N is setup for identifying and developing talent so they can play professionally. In this environment biobanding down isnt a good thing. Its a last resort for players about to be dropped.

Leagues like ECNL and GA and whatever are setup for getting players into college. In this environment playing down cant be accepted because recruiters are only looking at players for 1-2 years. Also when they're recruiting the first thing they want to know is which year will this player graduate. After this is established they'll look at other attributes and rank the player accordingly.

The person thats so passionate about playing down is likely a private school parent that bought into the nonsense that they can hold their kid back in school so they can be the biggest and oldest. Surpirse! Soccer doesnt work that way. Go find a different sport. Oh and btw private schools want you to regrade your kid because they make and extra year or two of tuition this way. Why find more students when you can just make the current students stay in school longer.

No one wants kids to be a reclass. We are just calling you out for thinking an Aug kid is playing down.

Also you don’t know what you’re talking about my daughter goes to private school and not 1 girl she went to school with from kindergarten to now 9th grade is held back actually it’s much more common for girls to start school early. So they are young for their grade. Will be 16 to start their senior year.

Go outside and breath some fresh air. The grad year monster isn’t real. You’re going to be okay.

It's funny you write in such absolutes.

You think you know everything but whatever you write shows how close minded and incorrect you are.

Some people will just have to learn the hard way that theyre not wanted. For you it will happen at tryouts next season.

The grad monster is a figment of your imagination. Just like the villainous August girl that went to school on time is your bogeyman.

What you dont understand because you're a littles parent or playing on a team with no chance of being recruited to play in college is that playing down a grade is a trap. Choosing to play down for wins is not goid you think you're doing some great thing but you're not. Adversity and being challenged are what develops a player. The longer Aug birthdays play down the harder it will be to play on a team with players their age. Eventually you'll be forced to do something. Because you chose to play down what you'll do is hold your kid back in school. This is because its easier and it validates your stupid decisions. Leagues and clubs dont want to be the reason why children are held back in school this is why the top clubs wont let Aug players play down a grade. Since you are hard headed I'm sure you'll shop around and find some kind of land of misfit toys team to play on and they'll be terrible. Instead of wasting all your time trying to play down just play on the B team with players your kids grade. Then work your way to the A team. This is the correct pathway.

This is just nonsense word salad. Aug players will play their correct age group just like Jan players do now. It will be no different. It was not different before (pre 2016), why would it suddenly change now? Every top club will try and collect as many early fall birthdays as possible for each age group. No one is gonna give a shit about what you’re saying here.

When top clubs publish their age groupings for tryouts in the spring they will all be 8/1-7/31.

I know you can’t stop posting for some reason, and clearly you have some sort of internal issue going on, but take a break. Move on to a different argument or something. Find a different angle to cry about. This is getting old.

No, just like back in 2016 Aug birthdays will be told to play on a team with players their grade not on the team with players a grade below them.

For the exact reasons PP listed.

Dude, I know this is you. Just stop. Aug birthdays played in their SY grouping back then. I know because I was there and coached. No one, at any large club, cared what grade a player was in. They only cared if they were eligible for an age group. That’s it. We didn’t even collect what grade players were in!

Oh so now you're larping as a coach.

I was there as well and top teams would not let players play down a grade. This is because players and teams are an investment. It takes time to develop a winning club. Shortcuts like playing down dont work long term.

Clubs don’t know or care what grade players are in. They don’t give a single shit. It’s such a dumb argument that it is baffling. Part of what is extra funny about your argument is that it assumes clubs care about an individual players development and will force players to play up to help them. That is one of the most clueless things I’ve read on here.

Opinions can differ but I just think the arguments this person presented to push for SY but 2 months exemption for kids in the wrong grade was dumber. His hating August players also seems less dangerous.

I think you're referring to SY+60 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Its all the same issue. You have school districts starting at different times. It you're planning to change from BY to SY to get rid of trapped players fine. But, you dont want to create different issues (Aug birthdays playing down) to address because if this is the case you're not really fixing anything. You're just trading one issue for another.

If nothing is done to address playing down in 10 years the GY people will try to switch from SY to GY. Its called a slippery slope.

Told y'all it was the same lune.

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Anonymous wrote:Theres no hate for players.

There is hate for parents who purposely look to play Aug birthdays down a grade for wins.

Play on your kids grade A team. If thats not possible play on your kids grade B team.

There’s obviously some dark stuff going on with you maybe a high school bully or a classmate who was born in Aug who took your spot.

ECNL has already told its directors any Aug-Dec player who is top tier can play up next year. But ECNL wants kids who fall into the Aug to Dec age group to join the new teams next year.

An Aug kid is just playing what the new age group will be and yes some might be the grade higher but why is that such an issue for you that some kids born in 1 month of the year will be playing with kids the grade below but you aren’t screaming from the mountain top that BY has kids born in at least 5 months of the year playing with kids the grade below.

Unless you are arguing that all kids should be with their grade which means you are actually pushing for grad year?…

Nice try. For those that dont know.

GY = ANY student a certain grade can play on the team
SY = Students a certain grade and born within a certain eligibility window 8/1-7/31 can play on the team.

In GY what happens is parents hold their kids back 1-2 years so they're 16 year old freshman and 20 year old seniors in HS. Usually GY star freshman flame out by Junior year.