ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If plan A doesnt work out, what do you all recommend for Plan B for Girls? Is GA better than RL ?

If your daughter is a 2012, don't feel like this year's tryouts will determine her soccer future forevermore. And don't worry too much about leagues.

As this thread demonstrates, the landscape changes regularly. Just look for good coaches and teammates (and non-crazy parents).

+10000

Not a single college coach or anyone other than the parent cares how good they are for at least 5 more years. Might wanna focus on development and not club/league. Find a good coach and fun teammates and parents you can tolerate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:ID Session on a weeknight for HS age group, good job McBrave. When kids are already stressed out to the max and feel that missing a session would be the end of it all, they now have to sacrifice HS soccer for it (the only place that seems to treat them with a modicum of respect these days). (By the way, all other respectful clubs (VDA, NVA) have their HS sessions on weekends). I don't need to say no more...

100% The older group had it so late in the evening as well. Doubling up school HS Training and club try out same nights! AND the possibility of being cut! SHIT SHOW!!!

Give it a break. Clubs don’t give a crap about HS sports and, IMO, shouldn’t. Club sports is what gets you into college for soccer.

Comments like this just show you how ignorant parents are to what players want. HS soccer is the one chance that most of these players will ever get to play in front of their friends and take pride in playing for their school. Most of these "elite" players will never play college soccer or pro which has a similar experience. HS soccer is an experience most players love regardless of the level of play. Playing club soccer with screaming annoying parents on the sideline will never be more enjoyable as playing HS. NEVER. This whole drama over ECNL is the result of disconnected parents and club leadership who don't realize they are ruining the essence of the game for the players. MYS leadership should have asked the players what they wanted. I guarantee you that nearly all of them would tell you they would rather keep their coaches regardless of the league they play in. This is why MYS parents are upset. Unfortunately and typical in american culture it's the 1% driving the decisions. How many different leagues do we have to play in before we realize it's not the league that matters. F*ck ECNL. Players have and will continue to get recruited regardless of the "platform" they play in. NCSL, CCL, EDP, USYS NL, NAL, EAL, ECNL, MLSNext, and whatever else they come up with in the future will not (and should not) change the clubs responbiility to it's member to provide the best experiences for their players. How is this merger improving on the experience of the majority it's players. It's not. It's catering the minority and enriching it's staff/leadership - got to pay for LW to have an associate ED to do all her work. Parent's now have to deal with another fee increase to $3200 and pay for new uniforms AGAIN! They just raised fees last year and we are in year one of uniforms. Team fees will be A LOT higher than $500. Bank on that. Who's paying for 2-3 coaches per team plus GK staff to travel to away games and showcases. Parents are. Rosters will be huge to make sure both clubs get players in the team. Good luck with playing time. I feel like I am taking crazy pills. The club lacks core values and this merger is evidence of that.

Same ignorance from the Clubs! HS Soccer IS an experience that most HS Soccer players look forward to. For a club to disregard this and just think of "what gets you into college" is why we have lots of kids quit prematurely!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ID Session on a weeknight for HS age group, good job McBrave. When kids are already stressed out to the max and feel that missing a session would be the end of it all, they now have to sacrifice HS soccer for it (the only place that seems to treat them with a modicum of respect these days). (By the way, all other respectful clubs (VDA, NVA) have their HS sessions on weekends). I don't need to say no more...

Really, it's high school soccer; no one cares. High school soccer is a rec game at best.

Kids care. Your club coach doesn’t, you as a parent probably don’t care but kids care and kids are the players. Adults are ruining the sport landscape.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ID Session on a weeknight for HS age group, good job McBrave. When kids are already stressed out to the max and feel that missing a session would be the end of it all, they now have to sacrifice HS soccer for it (the only place that seems to treat them with a modicum of respect these days). (By the way, all other respectful clubs (VDA, NVA) have their HS sessions on weekends). I don't need to say no more...

ID session on Sunday following a weekend of 4 tournament matches. Good job Arlington. Smh, OP

Right. I am very pro-HS soccer, but I do have some sympathy for the clubs for the sh!t timing (ID sessions and Jeff. Cup and other spring tournaments and showcases happening just as the HS season is getting started in NOVA). I don't know when else they can hold spring ID sessions that they won't have conflicts.

The denigration of HS soccer, from parents and some club coaches alike, does drive me more than a little batty. Reeks of the "futbol is life" "beautiful game" snobbery that turns so many of us off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like it’s been known that the SYC and McLean partnership was ending since at least early Dec. if so, what the heck took them so long to inform their members??

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1171239.page

Easy

Step 1: Someone in a leadership position thought it was a good idea to inform a coach (let's call him Coach A), before the club's ducks were in a row.
Step 2: Coach A told Coaches B, C, and D
Step 3: Coaches B, C, and D, told Coaches E, F, G, H, I, and J that he/she heard a rumor.
Step 4: 20+ "insider" parents have now been informed of said rumor and one of them posted it on DCU

All you have to do is read the MYS board minutes that are online from November to see that the Board was proactively exploring ending the SYC relationship back in November and was actively seeking other club options.

But in May 2023, they were planning to extend it another year. So what changed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ID Session on a weeknight for HS age group, good job McBrave. When kids are already stressed out to the max and feel that missing a session would be the end of it all, they now have to sacrifice HS soccer for it (the only place that seems to treat them with a modicum of respect these days). (By the way, all other respectful clubs (VDA, NVA) have their HS sessions on weekends). I don't need to say no more...

ID session on Sunday following a weekend of 4 tournament matches. Good job Arlington. Smh, OP

Right. I am very pro-HS soccer, but I do have some sympathy for the clubs for the sh!t timing (ID sessions and Jeff. Cup and other spring tournaments and showcases happening just as the HS season is getting started in NOVA). I don't know when else they can hold spring ID sessions that they won't have conflicts.

The denigration of HS soccer, from parents and some club coaches alike, does drive me more than a little batty. Reeks of the "futbol is life" "beautiful game" snobbery that turns so many of us off.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ID Session on a weeknight for HS age group, good job McBrave. When kids are already stressed out to the max and feel that missing a session would be the end of it all, they now have to sacrifice HS soccer for it (the only place that seems to treat them with a modicum of respect these days). (By the way, all other respectful clubs (VDA, NVA) have their HS sessions on weekends). I don't need to say no more...

100% The older group had it so late in the evening as well. Doubling up school HS Training and club try out same nights! AND the possibility of being cut! SHIT SHOW!!!

Give it a break. Clubs don’t give a crap about HS sports and, IMO, shouldn’t. Club sports is what gets you into college for soccer.

Comments like this just show you how ignorant parents are to what players want. HS soccer is the one chance that most of these players will ever get to play in front of their friends and take pride in playing for their school. Most of these "elite" players will never play college soccer or pro which has a similar experience. HS soccer is an experience most players love regardless of the level of play. Playing club soccer with screaming annoying parents on the sideline will never be more enjoyable as playing HS. NEVER. This whole drama over ECNL is the result of disconnected parents and club leadership who don't realize they are ruining the essence of the game for the players. MYS leadership should have asked the players what they wanted. I guarantee you that nearly all of them would tell you they would rather keep their coaches regardless of the league they play in. This is why MYS parents are upset. Unfortunately and typical in american culture it's the 1% driving the decisions. How many different leagues do we have to play in before we realize it's not the league that matters. F*ck ECNL. Players have and will continue to get recruited regardless of the "platform" they play in. NCSL, CCL, EDP, USYS NL, NAL, EAL, ECNL, MLSNext, and whatever else they come up with in the future will not (and should not) change the clubs responbiility to it's member to provide the best experiences for their players. How is this merger improving on the experience of the majority it's players. It's not. It's catering the minority and enriching it's staff/leadership - got to pay for LW to have an associate ED to do all her work. Parent's now have to deal with another fee increase to $3200 and pay for new uniforms AGAIN! They just raised fees last year and we are in year one of uniforms. Team fees will be A LOT higher than $500. Bank on that. Who's paying for 2-3 coaches per team plus GK staff to travel to away games and showcases. Parents are. Rosters will be huge to make sure both clubs get players in the team. Good luck with playing time. I feel like I am taking crazy pills. The club lacks core values and this merger is evidence of that.

In terms of HS sports, I get it depends on where you play. Our experience has been bad coaching and crappy team dynamics. Unless you are one of the coaches favorites, you don’t get play time. Guess club can be similar but we haven’t had that issue in club. Only HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ID Session on a weeknight for HS age group, good job McBrave. When kids are already stressed out to the max and feel that missing a session would be the end of it all, they now have to sacrifice HS soccer for it (the only place that seems to treat them with a modicum of respect these days). (By the way, all other respectful clubs (VDA, NVA) have their HS sessions on weekends). I don't need to say no more...

ID session on Sunday following a weekend of 4 tournament matches. Good job Arlington. Smh, OP

Right. I am very pro-HS soccer, but I do have some sympathy for the clubs for the sh!t timing (ID sessions and Jeff. Cup and other spring tournaments and showcases happening just as the HS season is getting started in NOVA). I don't know when else they can hold spring ID sessions that they won't have conflicts.

The denigration of HS soccer, from parents and some club coaches alike, does drive me more than a little batty. Reeks of the "futbol is life" "beautiful game" snobbery that turns so many of us off.

It's just calling it like it is. Your interpretation of the facts is what makes you batty.

[Anonymous]

This thread has gone completely off the rails.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ID Session on a weeknight for HS age group, good job McBrave. When kids are already stressed out to the max and feel that missing a session would be the end of it all, they now have to sacrifice HS soccer for it (the only place that seems to treat them with a modicum of respect these days). (By the way, all other respectful clubs (VDA, NVA) have their HS sessions on weekends). I don't need to say no more...

ID session on Sunday following a weekend of 4 tournament matches. Good job Arlington. Smh, OP

Right. I am very pro-HS soccer, but I do have some sympathy for the clubs for the sh!t timing (ID sessions and Jeff. Cup and other spring tournaments and showcases happening just as the HS season is getting started in NOVA). I don't know when else they can hold spring ID sessions that they won't have conflicts.

The denigration of HS soccer, from parents and some club coaches alike, does drive me more than a little batty. Reeks of the "futbol is life" "beautiful game" snobbery that turns so many of us off.

I agree with the timing of Jeff Cup for older age groups. Why not have the showcase during the first two weeks and then the younger kids in the last two weeks. Are there other major showcases conflicting with the first two weeks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ID Session on a weeknight for HS age group, good job McBrave. When kids are already stressed out to the max and feel that missing a session would be the end of it all, they now have to sacrifice HS soccer for it (the only place that seems to treat them with a modicum of respect these days). (By the way, all other respectful clubs (VDA, NVA) have their HS sessions on weekends). I don't need to say no more...

100% The older group had it so late in the evening as well. Doubling up school HS Training and club try out same nights! AND the possibility of being cut! SHIT SHOW!!!

Give it a break. Clubs don’t give a crap about HS sports and, IMO, shouldn’t. Club sports is what gets you into college for soccer.

Comments like this just show you how ignorant parents are to what players want. HS soccer is the one chance that most of these players will ever get to play in front of their friends and take pride in playing for their school. Most of these "elite" players will never play college soccer or pro which has a similar experience. HS soccer is an experience most players love regardless of the level of play. Playing club soccer with screaming annoying parents on the sideline will never be more enjoyable as playing HS. NEVER. This whole drama over ECNL is the result of disconnected parents and club leadership who don't realize they are ruining the essence of the game for the players. MYS leadership should have asked the players what they wanted. I guarantee you that nearly all of them would tell you they would rather keep their coaches regardless of the league they play in. This is why MYS parents are upset. Unfortunately and typical in american culture it's the 1% driving the decisions. How many different leagues do we have to play in before we realize it's not the league that matters. F*ck ECNL. Players have and will continue to get recruited regardless of the "platform" they play in. NCSL, CCL, EDP, USYS NL, NAL, EAL, ECNL, MLSNext, and whatever else they come up with in the future will not (and should not) change the clubs responbiility to it's member to provide the best experiences for their players. How is this merger improving on the experience of the majority it's players. It's not. It's catering the minority and enriching it's staff/leadership - got to pay for LW to have an associate ED to do all her work. Parent's now have to deal with another fee increase to $3200 and pay for new uniforms AGAIN! They just raised fees last year and we are in year one of uniforms. Team fees will be A LOT higher than $500. Bank on that. Who's paying for 2-3 coaches per team plus GK staff to travel to away games and showcases. Parents are. Rosters will be huge to make sure both clubs get players in the team. Good luck with playing time. I feel like I am taking crazy pills. The club lacks core values and this merger is evidence of that.

In terms of HS sports, I get it depends on where you play. Our experience has been bad coaching and crappy team dynamics. Unless you are one of the coaches favorites, you don’t get play time. Guess club can be similar but we haven’t had that issue in club. Only HS.

A question -- why do you say most of these so called elite players will never play in college? Almost every ECNL girl plays in college if they want to. From top and mid programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ID Session on a weeknight for HS age group, good job McBrave. When kids are already stressed out to the max and feel that missing a session would be the end of it all, they now have to sacrifice HS soccer for it (the only place that seems to treat them with a modicum of respect these days). (By the way, all other respectful clubs (VDA, NVA) have their HS sessions on weekends). I don't need to say no more...

ID session on Sunday following a weekend of 4 tournament matches. Good job Arlington. Smh, OP

Right. I am very pro-HS soccer, but I do have some sympathy for the clubs for the sh!t timing (ID sessions and Jeff. Cup and other spring tournaments and showcases happening just as the HS season is getting started in NOVA). I don't know when else they can hold spring ID sessions that they won't have conflicts.

The denigration of HS soccer, from parents and some club coaches alike, does drive me more than a little batty. Reeks of the "futbol is life" "beautiful game" snobbery that turns so many of us off.

I agree with the timing of Jeff Cup for older age groups. Why not have the showcase during the first two weeks and then the younger kids in the last two weeks. Are there other major showcases conflicting with the first two weeks?

Other than GA Champions Cup and ECNL Florida Spring? Not sure. But those have been the weekends for Jeff Cup forever, why would they change?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ID Session on a weeknight for HS age group, good job McBrave. When kids are already stressed out to the max and feel that missing a session would be the end of it all, they now have to sacrifice HS soccer for it (the only place that seems to treat them with a modicum of respect these days). (By the way, all other respectful clubs (VDA, NVA) have their HS sessions on weekends). I don't need to say no more...

100% The older group had it so late in the evening as well. Doubling up school HS Training and club try out same nights! AND the possibility of being cut! SHIT SHOW!!!

Give it a break. Clubs don’t give a crap about HS sports and, IMO, shouldn’t. Club sports is what gets you into college for soccer.

Comments like this just show you how ignorant parents are to what players want. HS soccer is the one chance that most of these players will ever get to play in front of their friends and take pride in playing for their school. Most of these "elite" players will never play college soccer or pro which has a similar experience. HS soccer is an experience most players love regardless of the level of play. Playing club soccer with screaming annoying parents on the sideline will never be more enjoyable as playing HS. NEVER. This whole drama over ECNL is the result of disconnected parents and club leadership who don't realize they are ruining the essence of the game for the players. MYS leadership should have asked the players what they wanted. I guarantee you that nearly all of them would tell you they would rather keep their coaches regardless of the league they play in. This is why MYS parents are upset. Unfortunately and typical in american culture it's the 1% driving the decisions. How many different leagues do we have to play in before we realize it's not the league that matters. F*ck ECNL. Players have and will continue to get recruited regardless of the "platform" they play in. NCSL, CCL, EDP, USYS NL, NAL, EAL, ECNL, MLSNext, and whatever else they come up with in the future will not (and should not) change the clubs responbiility to it's member to provide the best experiences for their players. How is this merger improving on the experience of the majority it's players. It's not. It's catering the minority and enriching it's staff/leadership - got to pay for LW to have an associate ED to do all her work. Parent's now have to deal with another fee increase to $3200 and pay for new uniforms AGAIN! They just raised fees last year and we are in year one of uniforms. Team fees will be A LOT higher than $500. Bank on that. Who's paying for 2-3 coaches per team plus GK staff to travel to away games and showcases. Parents are. Rosters will be huge to make sure both clubs get players in the team. Good luck with playing time. I feel like I am taking crazy pills. The club lacks core values and this merger is evidence of that.

In terms of HS sports, I get it depends on where you play. Our experience has been bad coaching and crappy team dynamics. Unless you are one of the coaches favorites, you don’t get play time. Guess club can be similar but we haven’t had that issue in club. Only HS.

A question -- why do you say most of these so called elite players will never play in college? Almost every ECNL girl plays in college if they want to. From top and mid programs.

There is a difference for boys vs girls so we should be more specific. Girls ECNL get recruited at a high percentage because of # or programs and less external competition. Only some % actually get significant playing time or play 4 years. That is typical for all sports. For Boys ECNL it's virtually impossible to get recruited to top D1 program. They prefer MLS next, internationals or transfer players. Most end up at D3 if they can afford it.

[Anonymous]

Why did the penny colors matter at the tryout?

[Anonymous]

All ID sessions are during this week? wtf are we talking about HS for? Every club's ID ECNL sessions are this week lmfao