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Anonymous wrote:Player and Parent Commitment agreement states “Accept the team placement of my player”.

I’m not a lawyer, but I assume a club is covered by the language above. I don’t think they have to spell out that they might change your child’s team placement if there is no team name in the contract.

I’m sure all this is all different for an older kid on a high level team. If a kid isn’t cutting it they can just give them zero playing time. Valor (and I assume other clubs) have minimum playing time rules when they are younger, like at least half the game or something. Team movement also makes sense if you care more about kids being in the right place for their current development. Which is how it should be for younger kids.

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Valor does not have minimum playtime rules for any age. My child's u9 Valor team had two players who played maybe 5 minutes a games.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there more people leaving from lower or higher tiered teams? Is moving up truly a rare occasion at valor? If it happens, when does it happen the most (mid season, during winter break, during summer break)? Is another kid getting moved down or is a vacant spot being filled?

Your child will only be moved up after tryouts in spring for the next season. IF there is an open spot on the next higher up team. If there are players on the next higher up team who are weaker than your player, your kid will not bump them for their spot as they are paying customers and Valor values that far more than accurate team placement.

This is simply not accurate as a blanket statement. Multiple kids in my child’s age group have been moved up midseason in previous years. Including from second team to top team. Other kids have been moved down to make room for the ones who got moved up. We have even seen a bit of movement in the middle of a season but that’s more rare. I suspect midseason changes are coming again based on things the coach has said.

I don’t know what happens in other age groups, but PP should not speak as though they know what’s happening across the whole club. Valor definitely has issues but it’s just not true that changes are only made after spring tryouts. Sounds like PP’s experience was a problem with a specific coach being too chicken to piss off certain parents. I have been surprised at how many kids who have been moved down (or not moved
up) actually stay. Some have left, but most have stayed. I think some of them know they’d be on an even lower team elsewhere.

This sounds like bait and switch to me. A parent accepted a spot on VALOR PURPLE for the entire year. How can they take their $3000 and then midway thru the season, move them down to the Valor Pink team? They aren't getting what they paid for, a spot on the Valor Purple team.

I cannot imagine trying to use that argument to fight my child being moved down. How embarrassing! If a coach clearly thinks your kid isn’t good enough for their team why would you insist they stay on that team. That sounds like it would be very awkward for everyone.

If the club lets them out of their contract or gives them a refund for the remainder of the season, its reasonable. But people contracted for the Purple team, not just any team.

If you cannot keep up, you are demoted, simple as that. There is no contract about team placement. You are only accepted to the club.

it simply doesnt happen. If a kid moved down its by parent choice.. mid season. Trust me it happened you would have a ton of complaints. Was the age group doing an academy style?

You sure are confident for someone who is so wrong. It is not the parents that chose for their kids to move down. And no the age group was not doing full academy style, the age group all practiced at the same time but there were teams each with their own rosters. It was made clear from the get go that kids can be moved up or down and that coaches of the different teams communicate with one another about this on a regular basis. There is more evaluating going on than the coaches necessarily communicate. Moving kids down can make their parents upset, but not moving anyone down can upset an even bigger number of parents -- the ones of the kids on that higher team AND the ones of the kids on the lower team who clearly need to move up.

Maybe you are delusional about your child's ability, but I think most parents know deep down if their kid doesn't belong on a team. It's not fair to all the other kids to keep kids on teams where they don't belong. Wouldn't you as a parent want your kid to be on a team where they are valued? Some people have left at the end of the season after their kid was moved down, but a few did not. Maybe those parents just take it for what it is and don't get all psycho about kid soccer.

My kid tried out for Valor, they sent an email saying specifically my child was invited to join the "Valor White" team. Now I accept that and pay my $3000. We have a contract for the Valor WHITE team. If they move my kid down to the purple team or whatever, they have broken the contract.

Go back and look at the thing you actually signed. I saved a copy to my computer (I wanted access to the wording in case we wanted to leave before the season was over, as I had reservations about signing on again). It says nothing about a specific team name. Just the club. And the very first bullet point under the parent agreement part is that you will accept your child's team placement. Clicking the "accept" button on an email that contains an offer with a team name is not the same as signing a contract, and I am sure the club leans on that fact if parents complain.

Does the agreement say you agree they can change your childs team at any time

If your kid is clearly not a top team material, they need to move down. How would this be fair to the kids that are in fact really good and can outplay your kid, but cannot get a spot on the top team because of your kid? We are all paying the same money. Team placement is not first come first serve. It’s based on ability and no way they can evaluate kids prior to the beginning of the season. Half way through the season they know more and can make switches. Valor will be moving kids up and down and you need to deal with it. Don’t think that your money are worth more than mine

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Anonymous wrote:Are there more people leaving from lower or higher tiered teams? Is moving up truly a rare occasion at valor? If it happens, when does it happen the most (mid season, during winter break, during summer break)? Is another kid getting moved down or is a vacant spot being filled?

Your child will only be moved up after tryouts in spring for the next season. IF there is an open spot on the next higher up team. If there are players on the next higher up team who are weaker than your player, your kid will not bump them for their spot as they are paying customers and Valor values that far more than accurate team placement.

This is simply not accurate as a blanket statement. Multiple kids in my child’s age group have been moved up midseason in previous years. Including from second team to top team. Other kids have been moved down to make room for the ones who got moved up. We have even seen a bit of movement in the middle of a season but that’s more rare. I suspect midseason changes are coming again based on things the coach has said.

I don’t know what happens in other age groups, but PP should not speak as though they know what’s happening across the whole club. Valor definitely has issues but it’s just not true that changes are only made after spring tryouts. Sounds like PP’s experience was a problem with a specific coach being too chicken to piss off certain parents. I have been surprised at how many kids who have been moved down (or not moved
up) actually stay. Some have left, but most have stayed. I think some of them know they’d be on an even lower team elsewhere.

This sounds like bait and switch to me. A parent accepted a spot on VALOR PURPLE for the entire year. How can they take their $3000 and then midway thru the season, move them down to the Valor Pink team? They aren't getting what they paid for, a spot on the Valor Purple team.

I cannot imagine trying to use that argument to fight my child being moved down. How embarrassing! If a coach clearly thinks your kid isn’t good enough for their team why would you insist they stay on that team. That sounds like it would be very awkward for everyone.

If the club lets them out of their contract or gives them a refund for the remainder of the season, its reasonable. But people contracted for the Purple team, not just any team.

If you cannot keep up, you are demoted, simple as that. There is no contract about team placement. You are only accepted to the club.

it simply doesnt happen. If a kid moved down its by parent choice.. mid season. Trust me it happened you would have a ton of complaints. Was the age group doing an academy style?

You sure are confident for someone who is so wrong. It is not the parents that chose for their kids to move down. And no the age group was not doing full academy style, the age group all practiced at the same time but there were teams each with their own rosters. It was made clear from the get go that kids can be moved up or down and that coaches of the different teams communicate with one another about this on a regular basis. There is more evaluating going on than the coaches necessarily communicate. Moving kids down can make their parents upset, but not moving anyone down can upset an even bigger number of parents -- the ones of the kids on that higher team AND the ones of the kids on the lower team who clearly need to move up.

Maybe you are delusional about your child's ability, but I think most parents know deep down if their kid doesn't belong on a team. It's not fair to all the other kids to keep kids on teams where they don't belong. Wouldn't you as a parent want your kid to be on a team where they are valued? Some people have left at the end of the season after their kid was moved down, but a few did not. Maybe those parents just take it for what it is and don't get all psycho about kid soccer.

My kid tried out for Valor, they sent an email saying specifically my child was invited to join the "Valor White" team. Now I accept that and pay my $3000. We have a contract for the Valor WHITE team. If they move my kid down to the purple team or whatever, they have broken the contract.

Did your kid have a mid-season tryout where he practiced with the white team in place of a group tryout?

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Anonymous wrote:Are there more people leaving from lower or higher tiered teams? Is moving up truly a rare occasion at valor? If it happens, when does it happen the most (mid season, during winter break, during summer break)? Is another kid getting moved down or is a vacant spot being filled?

Your child will only be moved up after tryouts in spring for the next season. IF there is an open spot on the next higher up team. If there are players on the next higher up team who are weaker than your player, your kid will not bump them for their spot as they are paying customers and Valor values that far more than accurate team placement.

This is simply not accurate as a blanket statement. Multiple kids in my child’s age group have been moved up midseason in previous years. Including from second team to top team. Other kids have been moved down to make room for the ones who got moved up. We have even seen a bit of movement in the middle of a season but that’s more rare. I suspect midseason changes are coming again based on things the coach has said.

I don’t know what happens in other age groups, but PP should not speak as though they know what’s happening across the whole club. Valor definitely has issues but it’s just not true that changes are only made after spring tryouts. Sounds like PP’s experience was a problem with a specific coach being too chicken to piss off certain parents. I have been surprised at how many kids who have been moved down (or not moved
up) actually stay. Some have left, but most have stayed. I think some of them know they’d be on an even lower team elsewhere.

This sounds like bait and switch to me. A parent accepted a spot on VALOR PURPLE for the entire year. How can they take their $3000 and then midway thru the season, move them down to the Valor Pink team? They aren't getting what they paid for, a spot on the Valor Purple team.

I cannot imagine trying to use that argument to fight my child being moved down. How embarrassing! If a coach clearly thinks your kid isn’t good enough for their team why would you insist they stay on that team. That sounds like it would be very awkward for everyone.

If the club lets them out of their contract or gives them a refund for the remainder of the season, its reasonable. But people contracted for the Purple team, not just any team.

If you cannot keep up, you are demoted, simple as that. There is no contract about team placement. You are only accepted to the club.

it simply doesnt happen. If a kid moved down its by parent choice.. mid season. Trust me it happened you would have a ton of complaints. Was the age group doing an academy style?

You sure are confident for someone who is so wrong. It is not the parents that chose for their kids to move down. And no the age group was not doing full academy style, the age group all practiced at the same time but there were teams each with their own rosters. It was made clear from the get go that kids can be moved up or down and that coaches of the different teams communicate with one another about this on a regular basis. There is more evaluating going on than the coaches necessarily communicate. Moving kids down can make their parents upset, but not moving anyone down can upset an even bigger number of parents -- the ones of the kids on that higher team AND the ones of the kids on the lower team who clearly need to move up.

Maybe you are delusional about your child's ability, but I think most parents know deep down if their kid doesn't belong on a team. It's not fair to all the other kids to keep kids on teams where they don't belong. Wouldn't you as a parent want your kid to be on a team where they are valued? Some people have left at the end of the season after their kid was moved down, but a few did not. Maybe those parents just take it for what it is and don't get all psycho about kid soccer.

My kid tried out for Valor, they sent an email saying specifically my child was invited to join the "Valor White" team. Now I accept that and pay my $3000. We have a contract for the Valor WHITE team. If they move my kid down to the purple team or whatever, they have broken the contract.

Did your kid have a mid-season tryout where he practiced with the white team in place of a group tryout?

It doesn’t matter, that person is clearly stupid and full of himself. Doesn’t know a single thing about soccer and clubs. This is not a seat on a plane that you can claim. Your kid’s performance matters. It’s better for the kids in long run because they end up having more play time. Weakest kids get the least play time on the teams, everyone knows that. Your kid can be a superstar on the lower team and can actually get the confidence and develop better. Don’t be the blind parent, take an honest look at your kid’s playing skills.

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Who said anything about developing. Haha

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Valor doesnt care about developing players.
They just want to cash as many checks as possible. Hilarious that here on page 154 people don't understand that all their decisions are business decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:Valor doesnt care about developing players.
They just want to cash as many checks as possible. Hilarious that here on page 154 people don't understand that all their decisions are business decisions.

I am not thrilled with Valor. If you could name one club that isn't basing all their decisions based on how much $$$ they can sucker out of people please list them.

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Anonymous wrote:Valor doesnt care about developing players.
They just want to cash as many checks as possible. Hilarious that here on page 154 people don't understand that all their decisions are business decisions.

I am not thrilled with Valor. If you could name one club that isn't basing all their decisions based on how much $$$ they can sucker out of people please list them.

This. Every club is for profit and needs to make money. If they have really good top teams, more kids will come. They obviously need kids to improve. Yes, lower teams are not that great, but that’s every parent’s decision to go travel with mediocre players. However, playing and practice time matters and you will get that with Valor.
So much complaining, but it’s the same everywhere you go. This is not Europe, wake up.

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Anonymous wrote:Valor doesnt care about developing players.
They just want to cash as many checks as possible. Hilarious that here on page 154 people don't understand that all their decisions are business decisions.

Agree with this if talking about the leadership. They do not care. I do think there are a *few* coaches who care, who get frustrated with leadership. It's a great way to drive away good coaches/deter good coaches from wanting to go there.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there more people leaving from lower or higher tiered teams? Is moving up truly a rare occasion at valor? If it happens, when does it happen the most (mid season, during winter break, during summer break)? Is another kid getting moved down or is a vacant spot being filled?

Your child will only be moved up after tryouts in spring for the next season. IF there is an open spot on the next higher up team. If there are players on the next higher up team who are weaker than your player, your kid will not bump them for their spot as they are paying customers and Valor values that far more than accurate team placement.

This is simply not accurate as a blanket statement. Multiple kids in my child’s age group have been moved up midseason in previous years. Including from second team to top team. Other kids have been moved down to make room for the ones who got moved up. We have even seen a bit of movement in the middle of a season but that’s more rare. I suspect midseason changes are coming again based on things the coach has said.

I don’t know what happens in other age groups, but PP should not speak as though they know what’s happening across the whole club. Valor definitely has issues but it’s just not true that changes are only made after spring tryouts. Sounds like PP’s experience was a problem with a specific coach being too chicken to piss off certain parents. I have been surprised at how many kids who have been moved down (or not moved
up) actually stay. Some have left, but most have stayed. I think some of them know they’d be on an even lower team elsewhere.

This sounds like bait and switch to me. A parent accepted a spot on VALOR PURPLE for the entire year. How can they take their $3000 and then midway thru the season, move them down to the Valor Pink team? They aren't getting what they paid for, a spot on the Valor Purple team.

I cannot imagine trying to use that argument to fight my child being moved down. How embarrassing! If a coach clearly thinks your kid isn’t good enough for their team why would you insist they stay on that team. That sounds like it would be very awkward for everyone.

If the club lets them out of their contract or gives them a refund for the remainder of the season, its reasonable. But people contracted for the Purple team, not just any team.

If you cannot keep up, you are demoted, simple as that. There is no contract about team placement. You are only accepted to the club.

it simply doesnt happen. If a kid moved down its by parent choice.. mid season. Trust me it happened you would have a ton of complaints. Was the age group doing an academy style?

You sure are confident for someone who is so wrong. It is not the parents that chose for their kids to move down. And no the age group was not doing full academy style, the age group all practiced at the same time but there were teams each with their own rosters. It was made clear from the get go that kids can be moved up or down and that coaches of the different teams communicate with one another about this on a regular basis. There is more evaluating going on than the coaches necessarily communicate. Moving kids down can make their parents upset, but not moving anyone down can upset an even bigger number of parents -- the ones of the kids on that higher team AND the ones of the kids on the lower team who clearly need to move up.

Maybe you are delusional about your child's ability, but I think most parents know deep down if their kid doesn't belong on a team. It's not fair to all the other kids to keep kids on teams where they don't belong. Wouldn't you as a parent want your kid to be on a team where they are valued? Some people have left at the end of the season after their kid was moved down, but a few did not. Maybe those parents just take it for what it is and don't get all psycho about kid soccer.

I know this because I know the leadership and their policies. (And once coached) They do not move down multiple kids midseason. It’s pretty much an unwritten rule. You are lying to stir the pot.

The only time in my experience with this club and legacy clubs was in academy style which occurs at a much younger age group. And it sounds like thats your situation. (Though valor wont call it academy) Generally all the kids are grouped in one practice and they will rotate to give kids opportunities. By mid season some of those kids in top group are no longer with top group.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there more people leaving from lower or higher tiered teams? Is moving up truly a rare occasion at valor? If it happens, when does it happen the most (mid season, during winter break, during summer break)? Is another kid getting moved down or is a vacant spot being filled?

Your child will only be moved up after tryouts in spring for the next season. IF there is an open spot on the next higher up team. If there are players on the next higher up team who are weaker than your player, your kid will not bump them for their spot as they are paying customers and Valor values that far more than accurate team placement.

This is simply not accurate as a blanket statement. Multiple kids in my child’s age group have been moved up midseason in previous years. Including from second team to top team. Other kids have been moved down to make room for the ones who got moved up. We have even seen a bit of movement in the middle of a season but that’s more rare. I suspect midseason changes are coming again based on things the coach has said.

I don’t know what happens in other age groups, but PP should not speak as though they know what’s happening across the whole club. Valor definitely has issues but it’s just not true that changes are only made after spring tryouts. Sounds like PP’s experience was a problem with a specific coach being too chicken to piss off certain parents. I have been surprised at how many kids who have been moved down (or not moved
up) actually stay. Some have left, but most have stayed. I think some of them know they’d be on an even lower team elsewhere.

This sounds like bait and switch to me. A parent accepted a spot on VALOR PURPLE for the entire year. How can they take their $3000 and then midway thru the season, move them down to the Valor Pink team? They aren't getting what they paid for, a spot on the Valor Purple team.

I cannot imagine trying to use that argument to fight my child being moved down. How embarrassing! If a coach clearly thinks your kid isn’t good enough for their team why would you insist they stay on that team. That sounds like it would be very awkward for everyone.

If the club lets them out of their contract or gives them a refund for the remainder of the season, its reasonable. But people contracted for the Purple team, not just any team.

If you cannot keep up, you are demoted, simple as that. There is no contract about team placement. You are only accepted to the club.

it simply doesnt happen. If a kid moved down its by parent choice.. mid season. Trust me it happened you would have a ton of complaints. Was the age group doing an academy style?

You sure are confident for someone who is so wrong. It is not the parents that chose for their kids to move down. And no the age group was not doing full academy style, the age group all practiced at the same time but there were teams each with their own rosters. It was made clear from the get go that kids can be moved up or down and that coaches of the different teams communicate with one another about this on a regular basis. There is more evaluating going on than the coaches necessarily communicate. Moving kids down can make their parents upset, but not moving anyone down can upset an even bigger number of parents -- the ones of the kids on that higher team AND the ones of the kids on the lower team who clearly need to move up.

Maybe you are delusional about your child's ability, but I think most parents know deep down if their kid doesn't belong on a team. It's not fair to all the other kids to keep kids on teams where they don't belong. Wouldn't you as a parent want your kid to be on a team where they are valued? Some people have left at the end of the season after their kid was moved down, but a few did not. Maybe those parents just take it for what it is and don't get all psycho about kid soccer.

I know this because I know the leadership and their policies. (And once coached) They do not move down multiple kids midseason. It’s pretty much an unwritten rule. You are lying to stir the pot.

The only time in my experience with this club and legacy clubs was in academy style which occurs at a much younger age group. And it sounds like thats your situation. (Though valor wont call it academy) Generally all the kids are grouped in one practice and they will rotate to give kids opportunities. By mid season some of those kids in top group are no longer with top group.

Who the hell do you think you are telling me I am lying? I'm not going to go into more details here because I wish to remain anonymous. I have said multiple times that it's a younger age group. Not talking teenagers here. There is only one practice per week that is run academy style with players rotating around. The other two practices are with each team in separate groups with their respective coaches. Sometimes one team will scrimmage another but they is not regular movement between the groups. Each team has its own roster with its own coach and manager. Coaches specifically use language such as "moving up to the white team" and "moving down to the black team" to kids and parents. For better or worse at least a couple of them use moving down as a threat to kids who aren't performing or putting in sufficient effort in their minds.

You "knowing the leadership" matters not one bit. You are talking out of your *ss without actual knowledge of what Valor has been doing over the past couple of years. The number of kids moved down between fall and spring was more than two. I am not saying anything more than that. Maybe leadership didn't like it -- don't know, don't care. But try to stick to situations in which you have actual current experience, you arrogant *ss.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there more people leaving from lower or higher tiered teams? Is moving up truly a rare occasion at valor? If it happens, when does it happen the most (mid season, during winter break, during summer break)? Is another kid getting moved down or is a vacant spot being filled?

Your child will only be moved up after tryouts in spring for the next season. IF there is an open spot on the next higher up team. If there are players on the next higher up team who are weaker than your player, your kid will not bump them for their spot as they are paying customers and Valor values that far more than accurate team placement.

This is simply not accurate as a blanket statement. Multiple kids in my child’s age group have been moved up midseason in previous years. Including from second team to top team. Other kids have been moved down to make room for the ones who got moved up. We have even seen a bit of movement in the middle of a season but that’s more rare. I suspect midseason changes are coming again based on things the coach has said.

I don’t know what happens in other age groups, but PP should not speak as though they know what’s happening across the whole club. Valor definitely has issues but it’s just not true that changes are only made after spring tryouts. Sounds like PP’s experience was a problem with a specific coach being too chicken to piss off certain parents. I have been surprised at how many kids who have been moved down (or not moved
up) actually stay. Some have left, but most have stayed. I think some of them know they’d be on an even lower team elsewhere.

This sounds like bait and switch to me. A parent accepted a spot on VALOR PURPLE for the entire year. How can they take their $3000 and then midway thru the season, move them down to the Valor Pink team? They aren't getting what they paid for, a spot on the Valor Purple team.

I cannot imagine trying to use that argument to fight my child being moved down. How embarrassing! If a coach clearly thinks your kid isn’t good enough for their team why would you insist they stay on that team. That sounds like it would be very awkward for everyone.

If the club lets them out of their contract or gives them a refund for the remainder of the season, its reasonable. But people contracted for the Purple team, not just any team.

If you cannot keep up, you are demoted, simple as that. There is no contract about team placement. You are only accepted to the club.

it simply doesnt happen. If a kid moved down its by parent choice.. mid season. Trust me it happened you would have a ton of complaints. Was the age group doing an academy style?

You sure are confident for someone who is so wrong. It is not the parents that chose for their kids to move down. And no the age group was not doing full academy style, the age group all practiced at the same time but there were teams each with their own rosters. It was made clear from the get go that kids can be moved up or down and that coaches of the different teams communicate with one another about this on a regular basis. There is more evaluating going on than the coaches necessarily communicate. Moving kids down can make their parents upset, but not moving anyone down can upset an even bigger number of parents -- the ones of the kids on that higher team AND the ones of the kids on the lower team who clearly need to move up.

Maybe you are delusional about your child's ability, but I think most parents know deep down if their kid doesn't belong on a team. It's not fair to all the other kids to keep kids on teams where they don't belong. Wouldn't you as a parent want your kid to be on a team where they are valued? Some people have left at the end of the season after their kid was moved down, but a few did not. Maybe those parents just take it for what it is and don't get all psycho about kid soccer.

I know this because I know the leadership and their policies. (And once coached) They do not move down multiple kids midseason. It’s pretty much an unwritten rule. You are lying to stir the pot.

The only time in my experience with this club and legacy clubs was in academy style which occurs at a much younger age group. And it sounds like thats your situation. (Though valor wont call it academy) Generally all the kids are grouped in one practice and they will rotate to give kids opportunities. By mid season some of those kids in top group are no longer with top group.

Who the hell do you think you are telling me I am lying? I'm not going to go into more details here because I wish to remain anonymous. I have said multiple times that it's a younger age group. Not talking teenagers here. There is only one practice per week that is run academy style with players rotating around. The other two practices are with each team in separate groups with their respective coaches. Sometimes one team will scrimmage another but they is not regular movement between the groups. Each team has its own roster with its own coach and manager. Coaches specifically use language such as "moving up to the white team" and "moving down to the black team" to kids and parents. For better or worse at least a couple of them use moving down as a threat to kids who aren't performing or putting in sufficient effort in their minds.

You "knowing the leadership" matters not one bit. You are talking out of your *ss without actual knowledge of what Valor has been doing over the past couple of years. The number of kids moved down between fall and spring was more than two. I am not saying anything more than that. Maybe leadership didn't like it -- don't know, don't care. But try to stick to situations in which you have actual current experience, you arrogant *ss.

When do they make these changes? Winter or spring?

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Anonymous wrote:Valor doesnt care about developing players.
They just want to cash as many checks as possible. Hilarious that here on page 154 people don't understand that all their decisions are business decisions.

I am not thrilled with Valor. If you could name one club that isn't basing all their decisions based on how much $$$ they can sucker out of people please list them.

This. Every club is for profit and needs to make money. If they have really good top teams, more kids will come. They obviously need kids to improve. Yes, lower teams are not that great, but that’s every parent’s decision to go travel with mediocre players. However, playing and practice time matters and you will get that with Valor.
So much complaining, but it’s the same everywhere you go. This is not Europe, wake up.

If playing time matters don't go to Valor. They have no standards on this.
Coaches can and do simply leave kids on the bench even u-littles.

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Coaches in Valor are not formally trained. Go to this page and enter your coach's info. Why are we paying so much for a coach who isn't even qualified?
https://learning.ussoccer.com/directory