Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given that we now have testimony from a Trump appointee that there was a quid pro quo and thus there was bribery, if the GOP doesn't vote to remove Trump from office despite an offense specifically listed in the Constitution as impeachable, then that is quite a tell.

Are you still looking for a tell? They’ve told. They’re telling. They will yell again. They’re either criminals themselves or compromised by Russia. Probably both.

Which is why they all need to be removed from public trust, whether by election or impeachment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Given that we now have testimony from a Trump appointee that there was a quid pro quo and thus there was bribery, if the GOP doesn't vote to remove Trump from office despite an offense specifically listed in the Constitution as impeachable, then that is quite a tell.

At this point no one can plausibly deny extortion so if Republicans say “no big deal” they are making the country more vulnerable to corruption and foreign interference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given that we now have testimony from a Trump appointee that there was a quid pro quo and thus there was bribery, if the GOP doesn't vote to remove Trump from office despite an offense specifically listed in the Constitution as impeachable, then that is quite a tell.

At this point no one can plausibly deny extortion so if Republicans say “no big deal” they are making the country more vulnerable to corruption and foreign interference.

That is a feature, not a bug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I am struck by is that this extortion racket was in full swing while the mueller probe was still in the news. I
It makes me worried about what might happen during a second term

Of course there would be corruption during a second term.

Trump knows nothing else.

+1. The Zelensky call was the day after Mueller testified.

[Anonymous]

Agree to all those recent PPs about Sondland's testimony. Now, the R's defense is "yes, Trump did the deed, he made the aide (also our tax dollars) contingent on finding dirt on his political opponent" but that it doesn't rise to the level of impeachment. My question:

Why is it that getting a b-job and then lying about it worse than Trump's offense? Hmmm...doesn't add up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree to all those recent PPs about Sondland's testimony. Now, the R's defense is "yes, Trump did the deed, he made the aide (also our tax dollars) contingent on finding dirt on his political opponent" but that it doesn't rise to the level of impeachment. My question:

Why is it that getting a b-job and then lying about it worse than Trump's offense? Hmmm...doesn't add up.

Perhaps Republicans could tell us clearly what is a high crime and a misdemeanor and also which parts of the Constitution are now irrelevant. I really need a bright line because I am very confused by this line of defense

[Anonymous]

Lindsay Graham is refusing to engage in the process and apparently has his mind made up

https://twitter.com/kathrynw5/status/1191824848978358274

Most judges would remove this juror and not allow them to participate in a proceeding. Of course, Impeachment and removal is not a judicial process, but still...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lindsay Graham is refusing to engage in the process and apparently has his mind made up

https://twitter.com/kathrynw5/status/1191824848978358274

Most judges would remove this juror and not allow them to participate in a proceeding. Of course, Impeachment and removal is not a judicial process, but still...

He’s a disgrace.

[Anonymous]

With the testimony in hand, the bribery is an open and shut case. It is a constitutionally defined impeachable offense.

The only question is if the GOP is going to go rogue on the Constitution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree to all those recent PPs about Sondland's testimony. Now, the R's defense is "yes, Trump did the deed, he made the aide (also our tax dollars) contingent on finding dirt on his political opponent" but that it doesn't rise to the level of impeachment. My question:

Why is it that getting a b-job and then lying about it worse than Trump's offense? Hmmm...doesn't add up.

Perhaps Republicans could tell us clearly what is a high crime and a misdemeanor and also which parts of the Constitution are now irrelevant. I really need a bright line because I am very confused by this line of defense

This is not complicated: an impeachable offense is what 67 Senators deem to be such. It is a political and legal determination - and has always been so. George W Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq on a lie causing the death of tens of thousands of Americans and Iraqis was inexcusable and an abuse of power IMO but nothing happened to him.

Ultimately, the decision to impeach is political.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lindsay Graham is refusing to engage in the process and apparently has his mind made up

https://twitter.com/kathrynw5/status/1191824848978358274

Most judges would remove this juror and not allow them to participate in a proceeding. Of course, Impeachment and removal is not a judicial process, but still...

Do you feel the same way about Democratic senators who have already made up their minds to vote against Trump before he has even had a chance to present a defense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree to all those recent PPs about Sondland's testimony. Now, the R's defense is "yes, Trump did the deed, he made the aide (also our tax dollars) contingent on finding dirt on his political opponent" but that it doesn't rise to the level of impeachment. My question:

Why is it that getting a b-job and then lying about it worse than Trump's offense? Hmmm...doesn't add up.

Perhaps Republicans could tell us clearly what is a high crime and a misdemeanor and also which parts of the Constitution are now irrelevant. I really need a bright line because I am very confused by this line of defense

This is not complicated: an impeachable offense is what 67 Senators deem to be such. It is a political and legal determination - and has always been so. George W Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq on a lie causing the death of tens of thousands of Americans and Iraqis was inexcusable and an abuse of power IMO but nothing happened to him.

Ultimately, the decision to impeach is political.

Bush was wrong but he was doing what he thought was the right thing. His self-imposed exile after his term is because he realized he was wrong.

Trump just does whatever benefits himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lindsay Graham is refusing to engage in the process and apparently has his mind made up

https://twitter.com/kathrynw5/status/1191824848978358274

Most judges would remove this juror and not allow them to participate in a proceeding. Of course, Impeachment and removal is not a judicial process, but still...

He’s a disgrace.

At this point is anyone else wondering just what the blackmail is? Selling children? Pedophile dungeon under his house? In a relationship with his brother? I used to just assume it was rude rumors, but Lindsey is NUTS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lindsay Graham is refusing to engage in the process and apparently has his mind made up

https://twitter.com/kathrynw5/status/1191824848978358274

Most judges would remove this juror and not allow them to participate in a proceeding. Of course, Impeachment and removal is not a judicial process, but still...

Do you feel the same way about Democratic senators who have already made up their minds to vote against Trump before he has even had a chance to present a defense?

He’s admitted everything! Even the GOP says he’s done everything he’s been accused of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Big difference between lying about a blowjob and, well, the bribery, self-dealing and lying.

I never supported Clinton's impeachment but the guy lied under oath. Should he have been impeached for it? Not in my opinion but Republicans, who were interested in it for political reasons, went for it knowing full well that he would not be removed. Now Democrats are doing the same thing knowing full well that Trump will not be removed.

Trump is a real and present danger to the USA and global stability. He encourages corruption and bribery, has a fascination for dictatorships, and openly criticizes perceived domestic opponents and international allies. That is SO MUCH WORSE than what Clinton did that you discredit yourself by even comparing the two.

Also we are all caps all alone in the world on climate change. Also we’re the only country in the entire world with zero weeks of paid family leave.