FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:Remember: when Skyview was purchased we were in the midst of a major (we were told) comprehensive boundary review. Chantilly, Westfield, and Centreville had all been identified as too crowded. Chantilly was pushing 3000 and Westfield was growing. Centreville, while not as large, was overcapacity.
Langley/Great Falls neighborhoods were screaming to fill Herndon with kids who live farther away than those who live much closer to Herndon. With the purchase of Skyview, their pipedream was destroyed.

This should have been open and shut. As PP said, dragging this out made it so much worse.

The RIO decision really has nothing to do with backfilling Westfield--except for setting the standard for the loudest voices.

Meren is now upset, but Hunter Mill reps have ignored the neighborhoods who do not want IB for years.

Walney Oaks is halfway between Chantilly and Westfield. Objectively, they should be at Westfield.
Chantilly Mews is very close to Chantilly. Objectively, they should stay there.

And, yes, objectively, most of Crossfield should be at Skyview. But, I guess that ship has sailed.

What I would like to know is the FCPS explanation for taking Walney Oaks out of the mx.

McDaniel has given a very weak explanation for why it should stay at Oakton--when his neighborhood is extremely close to South Lakes. (3.3 miles vs 10.3)


His neighborhood is not 10.3 miles from Oakton, try again.


suggest you use googlemaps.


I don't have to use Googlemaps, I live it.


I was told he lives in Money's Corner.
According to google maps, the fastest way to Oakton is currently 10 miles plus. Shortest way is over 7 miles, butmore minutrs. (17 and this is mid day.)
And, if you "live" it, you know that South Lakes is only 3 miles--and 6 minutres.
I hear there is room at South Lakes.
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Anonymous wrote:All the other proposed maps in the other versions had Westfield with a more reasonable population-at least 23-400 students by pulling from Lees Corner, or Bull Run, or the Walney area, etc. This "final" map is the only one that dipped all the way down to @2000. I'm sure the Westfield people were taken aback by that.


Where were all the people thinking an enrollment of 2300 or 2400 kids is "reasonable" when FCPS was refusing to invest in other schools and downsizing them? If Westfield ends up with 2150 kids or so, it will still have an enrollment larger than nine other high schools, including Skyview.


The projection has it at only 2083, which is fewer than 2150, with the only MC neighborhood being rezoned lobbying FCPS hard to get out. There's no chance they add more kids in but based on the shenanigans so far, there's a likely chance they move kids back to Chantilly, which would leave them with 1900 or fewer.


You're right that the projection has Westfield at 2083, not 2150. That's still higher than nine other high schools based on all the boundary adjustments adopted and proposed: Herndon, Marshall, South County, Falls Church, Annandale, South Lakes, Mount Vernon, Skyview, and Lewis.


Interesting that this list of smallest schools also includes all the academic have-not schools people are desperate to avoid in FCPS and that FCPS ignores and refuses to improve. They are deliberately moving Westfield from a regular middle of the pack school down to the bottom tier of Avoid at All Cost schools.

If the only thing keeping Westfield in the middle of the pack was all those kids north of 50, then this was inevitable.


There is nothing special about those particular 1000+ kids. Moving back in a similar mix of 500-600 kids would keep Westfield afloat. FCPS is refusing to do that.


Wait til they cave to the Cub Run criers and moves them back to Chantilly at the last minute. That's how this process has been going down. Every time they put a map out, whatever middle class area got moved to Westfield tantrums and gets themselves moved back (except for the low income neighborhoods who are just being used as pawns at this point.)


They are simply following the lead of RIO and Lees Corner.


They may be following RIO, but Lee's Corner is not the same thing. Lee's Corner had extremely valid arguments for staying at Chantilly. It was ridiculous that they were ever thrown into the mix. Their arguments were valid. (An No I do not live in Lee's Corner boundary)

RIO has no valid arguments based on objective standards. Read the comments on their petition. Mostly, "i bought"

I don’t live in RIO area, but I respect their resolve. They are fighting against a boundary change that they don’t want their kids to endure. Good on them to fight for their community.


The problem is not RIO. The problem is FCPS caving to them over other neighborhoods.

This is why FCPS shouldn’t be making large changes to communities unless absolutely necessary. They inevitably end up picking winners and losers with those moves and alienating families in the process.


There is no way to buy a new high school and not make large changes to communities.

Well then, maybe a little bit more thought on the front-end would’ve been prudent.
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Anonymous wrote:All the other proposed maps in the other versions had Westfield with a more reasonable population-at least 23-400 students by pulling from Lees Corner, or Bull Run, or the Walney area, etc. This "final" map is the only one that dipped all the way down to @2000. I'm sure the Westfield people were taken aback by that.


Where were all the people thinking an enrollment of 2300 or 2400 kids is "reasonable" when FCPS was refusing to invest in other schools and downsizing them? If Westfield ends up with 2150 kids or so, it will still have an enrollment larger than nine other high schools, including Skyview.


The projection has it at only 2083, which is fewer than 2150, with the only MC neighborhood being rezoned lobbying FCPS hard to get out. There's no chance they add more kids in but based on the shenanigans so far, there's a likely chance they move kids back to Chantilly, which would leave them with 1900 or fewer.


You're right that the projection has Westfield at 2083, not 2150. That's still higher than nine other high schools based on all the boundary adjustments adopted and proposed: Herndon, Marshall, South County, Falls Church, Annandale, South Lakes, Mount Vernon, Skyview, and Lewis.


Interesting that this list of smallest schools also includes all the academic have-not schools people are desperate to avoid in FCPS and that FCPS ignores and refuses to improve. They are deliberately moving Westfield from a regular middle of the pack school down to the bottom tier of Avoid at All Cost schools.

If the only thing keeping Westfield in the middle of the pack was all those kids north of 50, then this was inevitable.


There is nothing special about those particular 1000+ kids. Moving back in a similar mix of 500-600 kids would keep Westfield afloat. FCPS is refusing to do that.


Wait til they cave to the Cub Run criers and moves them back to Chantilly at the last minute. That's how this process has been going down. Every time they put a map out, whatever middle class area got moved to Westfield tantrums and gets themselves moved back (except for the low income neighborhoods who are just being used as pawns at this point.)


They are simply following the lead of RIO and Lees Corner.


They may be following RIO, but Lee's Corner is not the same thing. Lee's Corner had extremely valid arguments for staying at Chantilly. It was ridiculous that they were ever thrown into the mix. Their arguments were valid. (An No I do not live in Lee's Corner boundary)

RIO has no valid arguments based on objective standards. Read the comments on their petition. Mostly, "i bought"

I don’t live in RIO area, but I respect their resolve. They are fighting against a boundary change that they don’t want their kids to endure. Good on them to fight for their community.


The problem is not RIO. The problem is FCPS caving to them over other neighborhoods.

This is why FCPS shouldn’t be making large changes to communities unless absolutely necessary. They inevitably end up picking winners and losers with those moves and alienating families in the process.


There is no way to buy a new high school and not make large changes to communities.


Of course, but the way they are approaching the new boundaries will leave so much excess capacity at Herndon, South Lakes, and Westfield that there will continue to be questions as to whether buying Skyview was a prudent decision.

If they’d been more willing to move more kids out of Oakton and Chantilly and balance the enrollments more closely, they’d have a better case that they are thinking about the long-term futures of all the schools in the area.

But they haven’t, so now it feels like Skyview is a gift to some communities; Oakton was protected at all costs; South Lakes and Westfield have been set up for failure; and people still don’t know what will happen with Centreville, which may or may not get a huge addition it no longer needs.

Reid is not skilled enough to look at these inter-connected issues and come up with a decent comprehensive plan. All she knows how to do is make promises that Skyview will be a fantastic school that offers a “22nd Century education” and cut deals with individual communities to keep them out of schools they don’t want to attend, whether it’s Westfield or Marshall.
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Anonymous wrote:Remember: when Skyview was purchased we were in the midst of a major (we were told) comprehensive boundary review. Chantilly, Westfield, and Centreville had all been identified as too crowded. Chantilly was pushing 3000 and Westfield was growing. Centreville, while not as large, was overcapacity.
Langley/Great Falls neighborhoods were screaming to fill Herndon with kids who live farther away than those who live much closer to Herndon. With the purchase of Skyview, their pipedream was destroyed.

This should have been open and shut. As PP said, dragging this out made it so much worse.

The RIO decision really has nothing to do with backfilling Westfield--except for setting the standard for the loudest voices.

Meren is now upset, but Hunter Mill reps have ignored the neighborhoods who do not want IB for years.

Walney Oaks is halfway between Chantilly and Westfield. Objectively, they should be at Westfield.
Chantilly Mews is very close to Chantilly. Objectively, they should stay there.

And, yes, objectively, most of Crossfield should be at Skyview. But, I guess that ship has sailed.

What I would like to know is the FCPS explanation for taking Walney Oaks out of the mx.

McDaniel has given a very weak explanation for why it should stay at Oakton--when his neighborhood is extremely close to South Lakes. (3.3 miles vs 10.3)


His neighborhood is not 10.3 miles from Oakton, try again.


suggest you use googlemaps.


I don't have to use Googlemaps, I live it.


I was told he lives in Money's Corner.
According to google maps, the fastest way to Oakton is currently 10 miles plus. Shortest way is over 7 miles, butmore minutrs. (17 and this is mid day.)
And, if you "live" it, you know that South Lakes is only 3 miles--and 6 minutres.
I hear there is room at South Lakes.


Unfortunately, this counter has come up repeatedly from Crossfield parents who had hoped for and didn't get zoned to Skyview. It implicitly bashes South Lakes which is a perennial sports/ theater powerhouse among many other achievements. I apologize you encountered people who were not able to articulate they wanted to naturally stayed zoned to the school they had hoped for their children for a host of reasons without putting others ones down...each school has its pluses and minuses. Your an argument is a continuation of one frequently posted that states Franklin Farm should go to Skyview and those on the otherside of West Ox should attend South Lakes. This argument ultimately identifies those living closer to Crossfield as being an island rather than a continuation of non-Navy Island and Waples Mills neighborhoods (those furthest from Oakton HS) which are too closer to South Lakes than they are Oakton HS. I know you don't feel a part of that community but there are people and neighborhoods who very much do-the Navy zone starts right down the road from us. I wish you the best and hope there are opportunities for Skyview pupil placement as it really does geographically make sense for some Crossfield families.
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Anonymous wrote:Remember: when Skyview was purchased we were in the midst of a major (we were told) comprehensive boundary review. Chantilly, Westfield, and Centreville had all been identified as too crowded. Chantilly was pushing 3000 and Westfield was growing. Centreville, while not as large, was overcapacity.
Langley/Great Falls neighborhoods were screaming to fill Herndon with kids who live farther away than those who live much closer to Herndon. With the purchase of Skyview, their pipedream was destroyed.

This should have been open and shut. As PP said, dragging this out made it so much worse.

The RIO decision really has nothing to do with backfilling Westfield--except for setting the standard for the loudest voices.

Meren is now upset, but Hunter Mill reps have ignored the neighborhoods who do not want IB for years.

Walney Oaks is halfway between Chantilly and Westfield. Objectively, they should be at Westfield.
Chantilly Mews is very close to Chantilly. Objectively, they should stay there.

And, yes, objectively, most of Crossfield should be at Skyview. But, I guess that ship has sailed.

What I would like to know is the FCPS explanation for taking Walney Oaks out of the mx.

McDaniel has given a very weak explanation for why it should stay at Oakton--when his neighborhood is extremely close to South Lakes. (3.3 miles vs 10.3)


His neighborhood is not 10.3 miles from Oakton, try again.


suggest you use googlemaps.


I don't have to use Googlemaps, I live it.


I was told he lives in Money's Corner.
According to google maps, the fastest way to Oakton is currently 10 miles plus. Shortest way is over 7 miles, butmore minutrs. (17 and this is mid day.)
And, if you "live" it, you know that South Lakes is only 3 miles--and 6 minutres.
I hear there is room at South Lakes.


Unfortunately, this counter has come up repeatedly from Crossfield parents who had hoped for and didn't get zoned to Skyview. It implicitly bashes South Lakes which is a perennial sports/ theater powerhouse among many other achievements. I apologize you encountered people who were not able to articulate they wanted to naturally stayed zoned to the school they had hoped for their children for a host of reasons without putting others ones down...each school has its pluses and minuses. Your an argument is a continuation of one frequently posted that states Franklin Farm should go to Skyview and those on the otherside of West Ox should attend South Lakes. This argument ultimately identifies those living closer to Crossfield as being an island rather than a continuation of non-Navy Island and Waples Mills neighborhoods (those furthest from Oakton HS) which are too closer to South Lakes than they are Oakton HS. I know you don't feel a part of that community but there are people and neighborhoods who very much do-the Navy zone starts right down the road from us. I wish you the best and hope there are opportunities for Skyview pupil placement as it really does geographically make sense for some Crossfield families.


Your assumption is incorrect. I am your PP. I am not a Crossfield parent. None of what you said applies to me. But, you might consider looking in a mirror. Not bashing South Lakes. Mcdaniel tried to claim that Oakton is more convenient than Skyview. My point was that South Lakes is most convenient.
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Anonymous wrote:Remember: when Skyview was purchased we were in the midst of a major (we were told) comprehensive boundary review. Chantilly, Westfield, and Centreville had all been identified as too crowded. Chantilly was pushing 3000 and Westfield was growing. Centreville, while not as large, was overcapacity.
Langley/Great Falls neighborhoods were screaming to fill Herndon with kids who live farther away than those who live much closer to Herndon. With the purchase of Skyview, their pipedream was destroyed.

This should have been open and shut. As PP said, dragging this out made it so much worse.

The RIO decision really has nothing to do with backfilling Westfield--except for setting the standard for the loudest voices.

Meren is now upset, but Hunter Mill reps have ignored the neighborhoods who do not want IB for years.

Walney Oaks is halfway between Chantilly and Westfield. Objectively, they should be at Westfield.
Chantilly Mews is very close to Chantilly. Objectively, they should stay there.

And, yes, objectively, most of Crossfield should be at Skyview. But, I guess that ship has sailed.

What I would like to know is the FCPS explanation for taking Walney Oaks out of the mx.

McDaniel has given a very weak explanation for why it should stay at Oakton--when his neighborhood is extremely close to South Lakes. (3.3 miles vs 10.3)


His neighborhood is not 10.3 miles from Oakton, try again.


suggest you use googlemaps.


I don't have to use Googlemaps, I live it.


I was told he lives in Money's Corner.
According to google maps, the fastest way to Oakton is currently 10 miles plus. Shortest way is over 7 miles, butmore minutrs. (17 and this is mid day.)
And, if you "live" it, you know that South Lakes is only 3 miles--and 6 minutres.
I hear there is room at South Lakes.


Unfortunately, this counter has come up repeatedly from Crossfield parents who had hoped for and didn't get zoned to Skyview. It implicitly bashes South Lakes which is a perennial sports/ theater powerhouse among many other achievements. I apologize you encountered people who were not able to articulate they wanted to naturally stayed zoned to the school they had hoped for their children for a host of reasons without putting others ones down...each school has its pluses and minuses. Your an argument is a continuation of one frequently posted that states Franklin Farm should go to Skyview and those on the otherside of West Ox should attend South Lakes. This argument ultimately identifies those living closer to Crossfield as being an island rather than a continuation of non-Navy Island and Waples Mills neighborhoods (those furthest from Oakton HS) which are too closer to South Lakes than they are Oakton HS. I know you don't feel a part of that community but there are people and neighborhoods who very much do-the Navy zone starts right down the road from us. I wish you the best and hope there are opportunities for Skyview pupil placement as it really does geographically make sense for some Crossfield families.


Your assumption is incorrect. I am your PP. I am not a Crossfield parent. None of what you said applies to me. But, you might consider looking in a mirror. Not bashing South Lakes. Mcdaniel tried to claim that Oakton is more convenient than Skyview. My point was that South Lakes is most convenient.


Sure, play your character. "I hear there is room at South Lakes," is meant to be provocative.
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DP. I do not envy you Crossfield families knowing that at the next review all the rest of Oakton will be trying to shed your homes as the farthest ones away in hopes of keeping their own in boundary. Not a problem I'd want to buy into if I was currently shopping for a home.
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Oakton will be severely overcrowded.

South Lakes will be severely undercrowded.

All the Crossfield people are much closer to SLHS than Oakton.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist.
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Its hard to be sympathetic to the people who bought into neighborhoods zoned to Oakton, but wanted to be switched to Skyview, but ended up still at Oakton. You can choose to pupil place into Skyview at any time. Of all the families involved in this s-show, your plight is the least sympathetic.
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Anonymous wrote:DP. I do not envy you Crossfield families knowing that at the next review all the rest of Oakton will be trying to shed your homes as the farthest ones away in hopes of keeping their own in boundary. Not a problem I'd want to buy into if I was currently shopping for a home.


Yep, real life plays out exactly like that...
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Anonymous wrote:Its hard to be sympathetic to the people who bought into neighborhoods zoned to Oakton, but wanted to be switched to Skyview, but ended up still at Oakton. You can choose to pupil place into Skyview at any time. Of all the families involved in this s-show, your plight is the least sympathetic.


Oakton and Skyview will both be AP schools. So the ability to pupil place into Skyview from Oakton would be based on FCPS designating the "Pathways" program as a special program into which students can pupil place, and Skyview having the capacity to accommodate students who live outside the boundary. Both those things will probably be true for a while, but saying "you can choose to pupil place into Skyview at any time" is likely an overstatement.

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They have said multiple times that the "pathway" at Skyview will be opt-in, like the program at Edison.
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Anonymous wrote:DP. I do not envy you Crossfield families knowing that at the next review all the rest of Oakton will be trying to shed your homes as the farthest ones away in hopes of keeping their own in boundary. Not a problem I'd want to buy into if I was currently shopping for a home.


Yep, real life plays out exactly like that...


If Oakton gets severely overcrowded, you'll have some families pushing to move the rest of Crossfield to South Lakes in a few years, and you'll have others who are indifferent. What you won't have is Oakton families living closer to Oakton trying themselves to keep Crossfield at Oakton, because Oakton will be fine with or without Crossfield. It's not like Westfield losing Floris or South Lakes losing Fox Mill.
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Anonymous wrote:They have said multiple times that the "pathway" at Skyview will be opt-in, like the program at Edison.


This is probably what will happen unless Skyview becomes overcrowded. If they don't change course with their plans (or lack of plans) for Westfield, Skyview, Chantilly & Centreville will be full with kids zoned for Westfield who have figured out a way to attend elsewhere.
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Anonymous wrote:They have said multiple times that the "pathway" at Skyview will be opt-in, like the program at Edison.


Recall that, had enough students from the five pyramids opted in to attend Skyview, there would have been a lottery for seats. As it turns out, Skyview was under-subscribed, so they started opening up the 9th and 10th grade classes for 2026-27 to students across the county.

With the "Pathways" program, it will be an accepted basis for a pupil placement, like the STEM program at Edison and the Leadership program at Lewis, but again it will be subject to Skyview having available capacity. If Skyview fills up, or they decide to change the bases for pupil placements (like they did this year when they eliminated foreign language as a basis for pupil placement), the ability to transfer into Skyview could be limited.
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