Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:The deposition from the Sony executive about the meeting where Ryan berated Justin is chilling. Highly recommend that people find it and read it.

The Sony executive, Ange, confirmed that Todd Black the other executive said it was the worst meeting he had ever been to. Keep in mind Todd Black is 65 and I believe now retired so that is saying something.

The meeting was a total ambush. They were told they were going to talk about script. No one said that Ryan was going to be there and they were surprised. There were line producers there and they were dismissed. Blake then took out her list and started reading, and Ange said she was shocked as she had not heard any of those complaints before.

She was asked if Ryan acted aggressively or yelled at Justin and confirmed. Yes, his voice was raised.

She described Justin as “frozen.”

She said the meeting went on for five hours with no breaks.

I’m sorry, but that is completely unhinged.

I’m sure Blake defenders will be like he was standing up for his wife or whatever but in no universe is a five hour meeting where you blindside somebody acceptable or an adult way to handle. Justin should’ve had a lawyer or an HR rep available as well if they were bringing up HR issues it’s just not appropriate or professional and sounds insane.

I agree it sounds nuts. Five hours is completely bizarre -- I don't understand what was even said over that length of time.

I don't understand why no one in the room was able to diffuse the situation and say "ok, these concerns have been heard, let's stop and reconvene after people have had a chance to process." Even just to take a break for a few hours I think would have helped. Like the project manager in me just thinks this was an unproductive way to handle this.

But I hold them all responsible. Yes, Ryan sounds unhinged and Luke he wouldn't let up. I've dealt with people like that and it SUCKS. But it also sounds like Ange and Todd Black were fairly useless. Baldoni apparently just curled up into a ball and went into a fugue state. I know people think that is understandable but I actually don't. He's not a little kid. He's a man in his 40s who assigned himself the role of star/director/producer of a $30m movie. I am honestly surprised he couldn't stand up for himself or find a better way to navigate the situation than go catatonic. Of course you feel bad for the person being attacked in that meeting, but also -- Baldoni was the boss. I'm shocked he had nothing more to say for himself and that Jamey had to jump in and basically handle the whole meeting.

It adds to my perception that the movie was a rudderless ship, which does make me more sympathetic to the idea that Blake wasn't trying to "steal" the movie so much as put a hand on the till and straighten it out, even as the way she did it was pretty hamfisted.

These are pretty serious allegations that sounded like were shocking to everyone sexual harassment and some of the things that she was implying are the allegations that put careers at risk. He should’ve been there with a representative from HR. I don’t blame him for freezing.

If he had stood up and met Ryan tone for tone, would that have been the mature way to handle it? Imagine the story that would’ve been then if he had gotten angry or upset or lashed out. Or even tried to defend himself - and how do you even do that if he felt the claims were baseless or taken out of context . I think freezing is actually pretty normal and pretty measured response. He also should’ve had legal representation. I understand this wasn’t a crime scene, but he was really being back to the corner.

Not suggesting he match Ryan's tone -- Ryan was being ridiculous. But saying look, I'm hearing what you are saying but it is a lot and doesn't match my own memory. Let's take a beat and talk through this. To just say nothing at all... maybe this set Ryan off more, or maybe it made him seem more guilty.

I also don't get why this was treated as coming out of nowhere because it honestly seemed like there was enough discussion of problems on set with Baldoni, Heath, and Ange at that point that none of them should have been that surprised that it came up at this meeting, even if the scope was bigger than they expected. They act like they though everything was great and were blindsided, but it's very obvious things were not great based on the texts and emails we've seen in the months leading up to this meeting.

To be fair, we don’t know. There’s one line in the deposition that said he froze. I don’t know that that means he didn’t say anything for five hours. We are speculating a lot with information that we don’t know.

And it was Ange who she said they were blindsided. So I’m willing to take her word for it and you can read the text Blake sent to Justin about this meeting. It was very cordial. I hope he had a nice holidays, etc. and could he come to the penthouse. And they were told they were going to be talking about script changes and they were weren’t told that Ryan was going to be there.

So maybe he wasn’t shocked to hear all the complaints but it sounded like no one was prepared to have an HR meeting. I also think it’s so unprofessional that she kept having meetings in her penthouse. I’m not sure why that was allowed, but I guess if she had all the power and then they just did that.

And I’m sure Justin will be blamed for allowing that to happen or not pushing back on that. But it simply seems like by that point everyone was giving Blake a lot of power. We keep crediting Justin for having total accountability for this movie, but Sony had a say and they let Blake get pretty far.

No, read Heath's depo -- he speaks at length about this meeting. He also says Justin froze and just could not speak. Heath says he wound up handling the meeting (yes the five hour meeting) because Justin just could not. Heath even talks about Justin becoming like a child, just unable to respond. I believe Justin also talks about this in his depo. We have way more than the one line in Ange's depo.

I absolutely think Sony fumbled the ball on this. I also think Todd Black and Ange were playing both sides all the time, and also that they were trying to "stay out if it" well past the point when that made any sense. They should have intervened much sooner. Like well before this January meeting. They knew the production was a mess.

Setting aside every other issue in this case, I cannot imagine how frustrating it would be to be working for a boss -- producer, director, star... literally running everything -- that curls up into a ball, reverts to a child-like state or is unable to handle (depending on whose deposition's wording you use) a meeting on incredibly important HR matters. Like, what? Obviously Baldoni was not ready for the big time. (And, yes, clearly Blake and Ryan aimed to take advantage of that for their own purposes.)

Again, we got one line from the deposition that says he froze. The meeting was five hours so I don’t think she literally means he didn’t say a word for five hours just that he was not prepared which is pretty much how they set it up right?

I’m sure he was frustrating to work with. I’m just not sure that that qualifies as sexual harassment.

And she was getting paid $3 million so I don’t have a lot of sympathy for her being frustrated.

The more I learn about this industry the more every movie set sounds like hell. It’s a bunch of self indulgent a-holes being given millions to pretend.

You could say the same for Justin, can’t imagine how frustrating it is to be called into a random meeting at somebody’s penthouse and be berated for five hours. So both sides had some lessons to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:The deposition from the Sony executive about the meeting where Ryan berated Justin is chilling. Highly recommend that people find it and read it.

The Sony executive, Ange, confirmed that Todd Black the other executive said it was the worst meeting he had ever been to. Keep in mind Todd Black is 65 and I believe now retired so that is saying something.

The meeting was a total ambush. They were told they were going to talk about script. No one said that Ryan was going to be there and they were surprised. There were line producers there and they were dismissed. Blake then took out her list and started reading, and Ange said she was shocked as she had not heard any of those complaints before.

She was asked if Ryan acted aggressively or yelled at Justin and confirmed. Yes, his voice was raised.

She described Justin as “frozen.”

She said the meeting went on for five hours with no breaks.

I’m sorry, but that is completely unhinged.

I’m sure Blake defenders will be like he was standing up for his wife or whatever but in no universe is a five hour meeting where you blindside somebody acceptable or an adult way to handle. Justin should’ve had a lawyer or an HR rep available as well if they were bringing up HR issues it’s just not appropriate or professional and sounds insane.

I agree it sounds nuts. Five hours is completely bizarre -- I don't understand what was even said over that length of time.

I don't understand why no one in the room was able to diffuse the situation and say "ok, these concerns have been heard, let's stop and reconvene after people have had a chance to process." Even just to take a break for a few hours I think would have helped. Like the project manager in me just thinks this was an unproductive way to handle this.

But I hold them all responsible. Yes, Ryan sounds unhinged and Luke he wouldn't let up. I've dealt with people like that and it SUCKS. But it also sounds like Ange and Todd Black were fairly useless. Baldoni apparently just curled up into a ball and went into a fugue state. I know people think that is understandable but I actually don't. He's not a little kid. He's a man in his 40s who assigned himself the role of star/director/producer of a $30m movie. I am honestly surprised he couldn't stand up for himself or find a better way to navigate the situation than go catatonic. Of course you feel bad for the person being attacked in that meeting, but also -- Baldoni was the boss. I'm shocked he had nothing more to say for himself and that Jamey had to jump in and basically handle the whole meeting.

It adds to my perception that the movie was a rudderless ship, which does make me more sympathetic to the idea that Blake wasn't trying to "steal" the movie so much as put a hand on the till and straighten it out, even as the way she did it was pretty hamfisted.

These are pretty serious allegations that sounded like were shocking to everyone sexual harassment and some of the things that she was implying are the allegations that put careers at risk. He should’ve been there with a representative from HR. I don’t blame him for freezing.

If he had stood up and met Ryan tone for tone, would that have been the mature way to handle it? Imagine the story that would’ve been then if he had gotten angry or upset or lashed out. Or even tried to defend himself - and how do you even do that if he felt the claims were baseless or taken out of context . I think freezing is actually pretty normal and pretty measured response. He also should’ve had legal representation. I understand this wasn’t a crime scene, but he was really being back to the corner.

Not suggesting he match Ryan's tone -- Ryan was being ridiculous. But saying look, I'm hearing what you are saying but it is a lot and doesn't match my own memory. Let's take a beat and talk through this. To just say nothing at all... maybe this set Ryan off more, or maybe it made him seem more guilty.

I also don't get why this was treated as coming out of nowhere because it honestly seemed like there was enough discussion of problems on set with Baldoni, Heath, and Ange at that point that none of them should have been that surprised that it came up at this meeting, even if the scope was bigger than they expected. They act like they though everything was great and were blindsided, but it's very obvious things were not great based on the texts and emails we've seen in the months leading up to this meeting.

To be fair, we don’t know. There’s one line in the deposition that said he froze. I don’t know that that means he didn’t say anything for five hours. We are speculating a lot with information that we don’t know.

And it was Ange who she said they were blindsided. So I’m willing to take her word for it and you can read the text Blake sent to Justin about this meeting. It was very cordial. I hope he had a nice holidays, etc. and could he come to the penthouse. And they were told they were going to be talking about script changes and they were weren’t told that Ryan was going to be there.

So maybe he wasn’t shocked to hear all the complaints but it sounded like no one was prepared to have an HR meeting. I also think it’s so unprofessional that she kept having meetings in her penthouse. I’m not sure why that was allowed, but I guess if she had all the power and then they just did that.

And I’m sure Justin will be blamed for allowing that to happen or not pushing back on that. But it simply seems like by that point everyone was giving Blake a lot of power. We keep crediting Justin for having total accountability for this movie, but Sony had a say and they let Blake get pretty far.

No, read Heath's depo -- he speaks at length about this meeting. He also says Justin froze and just could not speak. Heath says he wound up handling the meeting (yes the five hour meeting) because Justin just could not. Heath even talks about Justin becoming like a child, just unable to respond. I believe Justin also talks about this in his depo. We have way more than the one line in Ange's depo.

I absolutely think Sony fumbled the ball on this. I also think Todd Black and Ange were playing both sides all the time, and also that they were trying to "stay out if it" well past the point when that made any sense. They should have intervened much sooner. Like well before this January meeting. They knew the production was a mess.

Setting aside every other issue in this case, I cannot imagine how frustrating it would be to be working for a boss -- producer, director, star... literally running everything -- that curls up into a ball, reverts to a child-like state or is unable to handle (depending on whose deposition's wording you use) a meeting on incredibly important HR matters. Like, what? Obviously Baldoni was not ready for the big time. (And, yes, clearly Blake and Ryan aimed to take advantage of that for their own purposes.)

Again, we got one line from the deposition that says he froze. The meeting was five hours so I don’t think she literally means he didn’t say a word for five hours just that he was not prepared which is pretty much how they set it up right?

I’m sure he was frustrating to work with. I’m just not sure that that qualifies as sexual harassment.

And she was getting paid $3 million so I don’t have a lot of sympathy for her being frustrated.

The more I learn about this industry the more every movie set sounds like hell. It’s a bunch of self indulgent a-holes being given millions to pretend.

You could say the same for Justin, can’t imagine how frustrating it is to be called into a random meeting at somebody’s penthouse and be berated for five hours. So both sides had some lessons to learn.

No as mentioned previously, this description of Baldoni was in 3 different depos.

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Was this meeting not understood as the "all hands" that Lively requested which would include her personal representative? I thought the all hands was part of her requests for protection to return which would imply that the protections would be discussed there. I have not read all the depos though. I'm just surprised they were that surprised at the subject matter (surprised at the tone and RR being the rep would be understandable).

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Anonymous wrote:Was this meeting not understood as the "all hands" that Lively requested which would include her personal representative? I thought the all hands was part of her requests for protection to return which would imply that the protections would be discussed there. I have not read all the depos though. I'm just surprised they were that surprised at the subject matter (surprised at the tone and RR being the rep would be understandable).

According to Ange from Sony the meeting where Blake pulled out her list and Ryan was there, was one where they were blindsided. Line producers were at the meeting at the beginning and then dismissed because it was clear it was an HR oriented meeting and not about the script.

They also were not aware that Ryan was going to be there.

Blakes text to Justin, inviting him to the meeting, was very cordial and casual.

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Anonymous wrote:The deposition from the Sony executive about the meeting where Ryan berated Justin is chilling. Highly recommend that people find it and read it.

The Sony executive, Ange, confirmed that Todd Black the other executive said it was the worst meeting he had ever been to. Keep in mind Todd Black is 65 and I believe now retired so that is saying something.

The meeting was a total ambush. They were told they were going to talk about script. No one said that Ryan was going to be there and they were surprised. There were line producers there and they were dismissed. Blake then took out her list and started reading, and Ange said she was shocked as she had not heard any of those complaints before.

She was asked if Ryan acted aggressively or yelled at Justin and confirmed. Yes, his voice was raised.

She described Justin as “frozen.”

She said the meeting went on for five hours with no breaks.

I’m sorry, but that is completely unhinged.

I’m sure Blake defenders will be like he was standing up for his wife or whatever but in no universe is a five hour meeting where you blindside somebody acceptable or an adult way to handle. Justin should’ve had a lawyer or an HR rep available as well if they were bringing up HR issues it’s just not appropriate or professional and sounds insane.

I agree it sounds nuts. Five hours is completely bizarre -- I don't understand what was even said over that length of time.

I don't understand why no one in the room was able to diffuse the situation and say "ok, these concerns have been heard, let's stop and reconvene after people have had a chance to process." Even just to take a break for a few hours I think would have helped. Like the project manager in me just thinks this was an unproductive way to handle this.

But I hold them all responsible. Yes, Ryan sounds unhinged and Luke he wouldn't let up. I've dealt with people like that and it SUCKS. But it also sounds like Ange and Todd Black were fairly useless. Baldoni apparently just curled up into a ball and went into a fugue state. I know people think that is understandable but I actually don't. He's not a little kid. He's a man in his 40s who assigned himself the role of star/director/producer of a $30m movie. I am honestly surprised he couldn't stand up for himself or find a better way to navigate the situation than go catatonic. Of course you feel bad for the person being attacked in that meeting, but also -- Baldoni was the boss. I'm shocked he had nothing more to say for himself and that Jamey had to jump in and basically handle the whole meeting.

It adds to my perception that the movie was a rudderless ship, which does make me more sympathetic to the idea that Blake wasn't trying to "steal" the movie so much as put a hand on the till and straighten it out, even as the way she did it was pretty hamfisted.

These are pretty serious allegations that sounded like were shocking to everyone sexual harassment and some of the things that she was implying are the allegations that put careers at risk. He should’ve been there with a representative from HR. I don’t blame him for freezing.

If he had stood up and met Ryan tone for tone, would that have been the mature way to handle it? Imagine the story that would’ve been then if he had gotten angry or upset or lashed out. Or even tried to defend himself - and how do you even do that if he felt the claims were baseless or taken out of context . I think freezing is actually pretty normal and pretty measured response. He also should’ve had legal representation. I understand this wasn’t a crime scene, but he was really being back to the corner.

Not suggesting he match Ryan's tone -- Ryan was being ridiculous. But saying look, I'm hearing what you are saying but it is a lot and doesn't match my own memory. Let's take a beat and talk through this. To just say nothing at all... maybe this set Ryan off more, or maybe it made him seem more guilty.

I also don't get why this was treated as coming out of nowhere because it honestly seemed like there was enough discussion of problems on set with Baldoni, Heath, and Ange at that point that none of them should have been that surprised that it came up at this meeting, even if the scope was bigger than they expected. They act like they though everything was great and were blindsided, but it's very obvious things were not great based on the texts and emails we've seen in the months leading up to this meeting.

To be fair, we don’t know. There’s one line in the deposition that said he froze. I don’t know that that means he didn’t say anything for five hours. We are speculating a lot with information that we don’t know.

And it was Ange who she said they were blindsided. So I’m willing to take her word for it and you can read the text Blake sent to Justin about this meeting. It was very cordial. I hope he had a nice holidays, etc. and could he come to the penthouse. And they were told they were going to be talking about script changes and they were weren’t told that Ryan was going to be there.

So maybe he wasn’t shocked to hear all the complaints but it sounded like no one was prepared to have an HR meeting. I also think it’s so unprofessional that she kept having meetings in her penthouse. I’m not sure why that was allowed, but I guess if she had all the power and then they just did that.

And I’m sure Justin will be blamed for allowing that to happen or not pushing back on that. But it simply seems like by that point everyone was giving Blake a lot of power. We keep crediting Justin for having total accountability for this movie, but Sony had a say and they let Blake get pretty far.

No, read Heath's depo -- he speaks at length about this meeting. He also says Justin froze and just could not speak. Heath says he wound up handling the meeting (yes the five hour meeting) because Justin just could not. Heath even talks about Justin becoming like a child, just unable to respond. I believe Justin also talks about this in his depo. We have way more than the one line in Ange's depo.

I absolutely think Sony fumbled the ball on this. I also think Todd Black and Ange were playing both sides all the time, and also that they were trying to "stay out if it" well past the point when that made any sense. They should have intervened much sooner. Like well before this January meeting. They knew the production was a mess.

Setting aside every other issue in this case, I cannot imagine how frustrating it would be to be working for a boss -- producer, director, star... literally running everything -- that curls up into a ball, reverts to a child-like state or is unable to handle (depending on whose deposition's wording you use) a meeting on incredibly important HR matters. Like, what? Obviously Baldoni was not ready for the big time. (And, yes, clearly Blake and Ryan aimed to take advantage of that for their own purposes.)

Again, we got one line from the deposition that says he froze. The meeting was five hours so I don’t think she literally means he didn’t say a word for five hours just that he was not prepared which is pretty much how they set it up right?

I’m sure he was frustrating to work with. I’m just not sure that that qualifies as sexual harassment.

And she was getting paid $3 million so I don’t have a lot of sympathy for her being frustrated.

The more I learn about this industry the more every movie set sounds like hell. It’s a bunch of self indulgent a-holes being given millions to pretend.

You could say the same for Justin, can’t imagine how frustrating it is to be called into a random meeting at somebody’s penthouse and be berated for five hours. So both sides had some lessons to learn.

Again, it's not one line in one deposition. It's multiple people in multiple depositions.

Heath depo (p. 290): "When this first -- when she first started reading a couple of her things and Justin was hearing this, taking this in, and trying to make sense of it, he was frozen by hearing this stuff. And instead of -- well, let me not say instead of -- and his reaction was -- was that he was being a coward. That what you do when a woman says this to you and points out these things, you just stand up and you just apologize and apologize. And Justin was just like, but I didn't do this."

Heath depo (p. 292-293): "We never came to the point to think that it was necessary because in it, while she was expressing it, it was very confusing because she was not -- it was almost like he was a child. Not that she felt threatened or that she felt -- it just felt like he was a child and it was talking that. It wasn't -- so our perspective from that point was, once we left and had some conversations with Ange, and Justin was a little frozen because of -- of the aggressive nature of it, she couldn't wait to -- appeared to could not wait to get back to work tomorrow, and we moved forward."

Baldoni's depo is weird. Even in his unsealed deposition, there are lots of pages missing pertaining to the January 4th meeting (I have a theory about this but won't get into it here). Anyway, even in what is available, there is a reference to a description of Baldoni's behavior at the meeting that Baldoni agrees with (p. 272 of Baldoni depo): "Unable to respond. Mr. Heath did a beautiful job apologizing. You were embarrassed that you unable to formulate the correct words to apologize and honestly feel like a bad person."

And then also all of this is corroborated by Ange's depo where she also describes Baldoni as frozen and unable to respond to Blake and Ryan.

So it seems fairly well established that Baldoni shut down in that meeting and was unable to respond to what they were saying.

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Should he have apologized for things he didn't do? That would have been used against him. I think denying / no response was fine. Leaving would be better but perhaps they were blocked or forced to stay

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Anonymous wrote:Was this meeting not understood as the "all hands" that Lively requested which would include her personal representative? I thought the all hands was part of her requests for protection to return which would imply that the protections would be discussed there. I have not read all the depos though. I'm just surprised they were that surprised at the subject matter (surprised at the tone and RR being the rep would be understandable).

You are correct. There was a document that went to Wayfarer and Sony (including Heath, Baldoni, Ange, and Todd Black) called "Protections for Return to Production." They received the email with this document on November 9, 2023. In the document, it specifies that there will be "An all-hands, in-person meeting before production resumes which will include the director, all producers, the Sony representative, the newly-engaged third-party producer, Ms. Lively and Lively's designated representative to confirm and approve a plan for implementation of all the above that will be adhered to for the physical and emotional safety of BL, her employees and all the cast and crew moving forward."

The film was set to resume shooting January 5th. So this January 4th meeting was obviously intended to be the all-hands. I find it bizarre that Ange claims in her deposition that she thought the meeting was going to be about script revisions, or Heath and Baldoni claim they were blindsided. They were informed of the topic of the meeting two months in advance. Maybe people don't read their email? But Heath confirmed in his depo that he had received that document on Nov. 9th. I don't know, it's such a weird inconsistency.

Another annoying inconsistency: both Baldoni and Heath contend that in the Jan. 4th meeting, Lively did not read the full 17-point list, and that what she did read did not include the phrase "no more" at the start of each entry on the list. They claim she only read a few of these items and that they were then surprised later when they got a hard copy to sign and it had this other stuff on it. But Ange testified at her deposition that Lively read pretty much the entire list (I don't think there was any item on the list Ange identified as not having been read at the meeting) and that the "no more" language was included. This is important because "no more" obviously indicates that this behavior had occurred previously, and Heath says in his depo that had they heard that phrasing at the meeting, they wouldn't have agreed to sign the document, because he and Baldoni contend that not everything on that list had happened previously, and even the stuff they admit happened, they feel was taken out of context, and they would not have signed a document that seemed like a confession to things they dont' believe happened. And yet they did. It's very confusing.

Whatever PP said that there should have been an HR rep present at the Jan. 4th meeting is correct. And also Baldoni and Heath should have been working with both counsel and their own HR well before that meeting. One of the most baffling aspects of all of this is that over and over, people in positions of authority (Baldoni, Heath, Ange, Todd Black) are asked if they spoke to HR or even considered opening an HR investigation as they were getting these complaints from Blake and Jenny on the set. And each time they are like "no, we thought it was handled, it didn't seem to rise to the level of HR." And STILL they receive this document from Blake in November that is basically saying she won't return to the set of a half-filmed movie unless certain conditions regarding "workplace safety" are met, and they don't involve HR. And then even after the Jan. 4 meeting, they don't involve HR.

I'm sorry, these people are freaking incompetent. If I were any of these people (which I would not be because I behave professionally at work), I would have been on the phone with HR the very first time I'm getting wind of someone claiming they were walked in on while undressed, or that their boss was in their trailer crying for hours, or hey someone on set showed me this video of his wife that made me feel uncomfortable. EVEN if I thought the complaint was BS and there wasn't a real problem there. It doesn't matter. This is what HR is for. Given the other details of this situation, I'd likely also be consulting in-house counsel because there are these questions with regard to contracts, the SAG union and their guidelines, just all kinds of issues. Sony obviously had these resources, and even Wayfarer, though small, had HR staff and lawyers. It remains baffling to me that they never once thought to involve those folks. It's not an admission of guilt, it's just the practical and sensible way to deal with thorny employment conflicts.

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There’s a great thread in popculturechat showing how the baldoni team campaigned against Lively. The text images are from the court exhibits.

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/k922wuShdH

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/16m0vTAIiN

Bad look for Baldoni and all including Jameela Jamil.

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Anonymous wrote:Should he have apologized for things he didn't do? That would have been used against him. I think denying / no response was fine. Leaving would be better but perhaps they were blocked or forced to stay

PP here. I definitely don't think he should have apologized for anything he didn't do. That was Heath's phrasing, not mine. Heath said that he thought Baldoni should have apologized, or that that was the correct way to deal with the issue, and that Baldoni couldn't do that so Heath did. I also thought that was weird.

There's no indication that they were prevented from leaving. I think the concern was that shooting was supposed to resume the next day and that if they couldn't come to some agreement on the 4th, Lively would not return to set on the 5th. That's an expensive problem. However, knowing that this meeting was first raised in early November, it then becomes a question as to why it wasn't scheduled earlier, and why Wayfarer/Sony had not been working with Lively all along to make sure she was good to rejoin production on the 5th. That they apparently showed up to this meeting not even understanding it was going to be about Lively's concerns about behavior on set, even though the document her lawyers had sent two months prior literally says that she wants such a meeting, makes no sense.

I hope not all movies are run this way and that this is an extreme outlier due to Wayfarer being a tiny and disorganized studio, Lively being more demanding or difficult than typical, and the weird set up with Sony where they were trying to avoid getting involved even though multiple parties were begging them to. If this is normal, why does anyone want to make movies? Sounds like hell on earth. I would quit my job yesterday if this is how my workplace was run. I'd go get some $15/hr retail job before I dealt with this level of incompetence. Just a hard no.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a great thread in popculturechat showing how the baldoni team campaigned against Lively. The text images are from the court exhibits.

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/k922wuShdH

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/16m0vTAIiN

Bad look for Baldoni and all including Jameela Jamil.

I don't know who that is. Context?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a great thread in popculturechat showing how the baldoni team campaigned against Lively. The text images are from the court exhibits.

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/k922wuShdH

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/16m0vTAIiN

Bad look for Baldoni and all including Jameela Jamil.

I don't know who that is. Context?

Jameela Jamil is a British actress/podcast host. She was in the show the Good Place but hasn't done much else in terms of acting in the US. At this point she's better known for hosting a podcast and being outspoken on a lot of issues, including celebrity, nepotism, and feminism.

Jen Abel reps JJ and some of their text exchanges wound up in discovery for the Lively/Baldoni things. I thought it was kind of weird because JJ is clearly just gossiping with Abel about it, they are both trashing Lively, etc. But it actually might have some relevancy for the case because, as I said, JJ hosts a podcast and also talks a lot about celebrity, and one could argue that Abel sharing not-public details about the conflict between Wayfarer and Lively with someone in that position could be part of a campaign to damage Lively's rep within the industry. I personally think that's a stretch because I don't think many people in the industry take her seriously at all and she's just not influential. Plus I don't know that she's ever weighed in publicly on the Lively/Baldoni thing. But I could be wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a great thread in popculturechat showing how the baldoni team campaigned against Lively. The text images are from the court exhibits.

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/k922wuShdH

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/16m0vTAIiN

Bad look for Baldoni and all including Jameela Jamil.

I don't know who that is. Context?

Jameela Jamil is a British actress/podcast host. She was in the show the Good Place but hasn't done much else in terms of acting in the US. At this point she's better known for hosting a podcast and being outspoken on a lot of issues, including celebrity, nepotism, and feminism.

Jen Abel reps JJ and some of their text exchanges wound up in discovery for the Lively/Baldoni things. I thought it was kind of weird because JJ is clearly just gossiping with Abel about it, they are both trashing Lively, etc. But it actually might have some relevancy for the case because, as I said, JJ hosts a podcast and also talks a lot about celebrity, and one could argue that Abel sharing not-public details about the conflict between Wayfarer and Lively with someone in that position could be part of a campaign to damage Lively's rep within the industry. I personally think that's a stretch because I don't think many people in the industry take her seriously at all and she's just not influential. Plus I don't know that she's ever weighed in publicly on the Lively/Baldoni thing. But I could be wrong.

Thanks for explaining.

I don't know that anything will come of it as far as seeding content if JJ never actually spoke on it in public, and her name is not familiar as far the lists of media influencers disclosed in RFPs. The Lively team does seem to be taking an angle that disparaging Lively privately to others was also part of retaliation. They mentioned at the hearing that Baldoni and Heath were talking crap about Lively to Hoover, and Hoover didn't like it, to which the judge retorted that the disparagement clearly didn't work.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a great thread in popculturechat showing how the baldoni team campaigned against Lively. The text images are from the court exhibits.

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/k922wuShdH

https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/16m0vTAIiN

Bad look for Baldoni and all including Jameela Jamil.

I don't know who that is. Context?

Jameela Jamil is a British actress/podcast host. She was in the show the Good Place but hasn't done much else in terms of acting in the US. At this point she's better known for hosting a podcast and being outspoken on a lot of issues, including celebrity, nepotism, and feminism.

Jen Abel reps JJ and some of their text exchanges wound up in discovery for the Lively/Baldoni things. I thought it was kind of weird because JJ is clearly just gossiping with Abel about it, they are both trashing Lively, etc. But it actually might have some relevancy for the case because, as I said, JJ hosts a podcast and also talks a lot about celebrity, and one could argue that Abel sharing not-public details about the conflict between Wayfarer and Lively with someone in that position could be part of a campaign to damage Lively's rep within the industry. I personally think that's a stretch because I don't think many people in the industry take her seriously at all and she's just not influential. Plus I don't know that she's ever weighed in publicly on the Lively/Baldoni thing. But I could be wrong.

Is this the feminist running around calling Blake the c-word on the texts? Some of these self proclaimed feminists are the worst.

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Anonymous wrote:Should he have apologized for things he didn't do? That would have been used against him. I think denying / no response was fine. Leaving would be better but perhaps they were blocked or forced to stay

PP here. I definitely don't think he should have apologized for anything he didn't do. That was Heath's phrasing, not mine. Heath said that he thought Baldoni should have apologized, or that that was the correct way to deal with the issue, and that Baldoni couldn't do that so Heath did. I also thought that was weird.

There's no indication that they were prevented from leaving. I think the concern was that shooting was supposed to resume the next day and that if they couldn't come to some agreement on the 4th, Lively would not return to set on the 5th. That's an expensive problem. However, knowing that this meeting was first raised in early November, it then becomes a question as to why it wasn't scheduled earlier, and why Wayfarer/Sony had not been working with Lively all along to make sure she was good to rejoin production on the 5th. That they apparently showed up to this meeting not even understanding it was going to be about Lively's concerns about behavior on set, even though the document her lawyers had sent two months prior literally says that she wants such a meeting, makes no sense.

I hope not all movies are run this way and that this is an extreme outlier due to Wayfarer being a tiny and disorganized studio, Lively being more demanding or difficult than typical, and the weird set up with Sony where they were trying to avoid getting involved even though multiple parties were begging them to. If this is normal, why does anyone want to make movies? Sounds like hell on earth. I would quit my job yesterday if this is how my workplace was run. I'd go get some $15/hr retail job before I dealt with this level of incompetence. Just a hard no.

Pretty much most sets are. It is chaotic and stressful and full of egos. There are huge budgetary pressures to get things done and then you have celebs like Blake throwing wrenches into things by saying I don’t wanna come in for a fitting. come to my apartment. which is documented that she did and things like switching the location from Boston to New Jersey, which is another thing that she did… and Ryan sending an email asking them to change the production schedule so that he can keep his family together while shooting Deadpool.

Have you ever arranged a work event with even like 20 people? can you imagine someone emailing you a couple weeks before asking you to move the meeting? I would sob lol. And Jenny Slate wanting $15,000 to change her housing because I thought it was too small I think.

Cameron Diaz has come out and said she has never been on a set that at least didn’t have a little workplace hostility, inappropriate behavior and sexual harassment.

So not justifying but a lot of sets are highly dysfunctional and this was a bad combination because you have a lower budget film with a huge celebrity. Blake is strange because she’s not an a list actress, but she is an huge celebrity. And did you read her email to the head of WME, her and Ryan’s talent agency? Who has nothing to do with this movie? she went on and on in an unhinged email about how she was not at a good weight for the body scenes and she needed him to intervene and move the body scenes to the end of the shoot and that she was working out four hours a day, but she still couldn’t lose the weight. It was absolutely so unhinged and so inappropriate to email the head of an agency that.

So yea I think Sony and wayfarer felt a lot of pressure.

But agree it was totally mismanaged by all. I think all these people sound absolutely insufferable.

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Anonymous wrote:Should he have apologized for things he didn't do? That would have been used against him. I think denying / no response was fine. Leaving would be better but perhaps they were blocked or forced to stay

PP here. I definitely don't think he should have apologized for anything he didn't do. That was Heath's phrasing, not mine. Heath said that he thought Baldoni should have apologized, or that that was the correct way to deal with the issue, and that Baldoni couldn't do that so Heath did. I also thought that was weird.

There's no indication that they were prevented from leaving. I think the concern was that shooting was supposed to resume the next day and that if they couldn't come to some agreement on the 4th, Lively would not return to set on the 5th. That's an expensive problem. However, knowing that this meeting was first raised in early November, it then becomes a question as to why it wasn't scheduled earlier, and why Wayfarer/Sony had not been working with Lively all along to make sure she was good to rejoin production on the 5th. That they apparently showed up to this meeting not even understanding it was going to be about Lively's concerns about behavior on set, even though the document her lawyers had sent two months prior literally says that she wants such a meeting, makes no sense.

I hope not all movies are run this way and that this is an extreme outlier due to Wayfarer being a tiny and disorganized studio, Lively being more demanding or difficult than typical, and the weird set up with Sony where they were trying to avoid getting involved even though multiple parties were begging them to. If this is normal, why does anyone want to make movies? Sounds like hell on earth. I would quit my job yesterday if this is how my workplace was run. I'd go get some $15/hr retail job before I dealt with this level of incompetence. Just a hard no.

One thing you missed between November 23 and January 5 is that they got permission after the strike to continue shooting. Blake refused to come on so they had to pivot and she other scenes so you’re sort of acting like they were sitting around with a lot of time on their hands really they were probably doing a lot to move direction to accommodate Blake not coming in. Believe she went to Europe with Ryan during that time. Sorry she’s a really a hole.