Fairfax County Double Murder

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s incredible that all of the actual evidence provided thus far points to CB having a BDSM sexual relationship with JR, yet all of you play mental gymnastics to twist this around on her husband.

JR was the only murderer in this case.

This.

So you believe the Au pair was acting in self defense? She’d already called 911 and hung up, then left a child in another safe part of the house to seek out the intruder. What 21 year old does that?! It’s technically not even her house. I’d be out of that house so fast - with the child in tow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s incredible that all of the actual evidence provided thus far points to CB having a BDSM sexual relationship with JR, yet all of you play mental gymnastics to twist this around on her husband.

JR was the only murderer in this case.

This.

So you believe the Au pair was acting in self defense? She’d already called 911 and hung up, then left a child in another safe part of the house to seek out the intruder. What 21 year old does that?! It’s technically not even her house. I’d be out of that house so fast - with the child in tow.

Ah, but this was her big elevation into the marital bed, once they got a new mattress and all.

Of course you are correct, PP. Any sane person would have called 911 from a neighbor's house and would not have SHOT anyone and thought that she would get away with it. Most au pairs are shopping at Tysons or in Georgetown on weekends, not hitting the gun range. She is special all right. She and BB are some stone cold customers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s incredible that all of the actual evidence provided thus far points to CB having a BDSM sexual relationship with JR, yet all of you play mental gymnastics to twist this around on her husband.

JR was the only murderer in this case.

This.

How nice that BB and his mom are contributing to this thread.

[Anonymous]

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If this is true it changes the entire narrative.

That BB used a ruse and lure to get JR in house to try to frame him for CB's death?

No, these are just the details of the ruse and lure. C*ck scenarios are usually the husband's idea, even when not a Mark Winger style plot. It may have been keyed off the date of BB's birthday, day before. Finding and luring JR, instigating knife play, something JR had never done, taking AP to gun range, buying non-

service gun, etc. all parts of the plan. CB may have thought she was doing this for BB. See thread in Relationship forum where posters try to browbeat an upset and uncomfortable DW to do so, saying it will bring them closer and she is wrong to feel like it is cheating.

All of the details would have been worked out between JR, CB and BB. Only JR and CB were not aware of BB's true motives, to replace CB with AP, with whom he had an ongoing affair, to frame JR and to eliminate him as a witness.

That makes more sense. I too believe BB planned all that. He is LE, he knows how crime investigation works. He took his time and must have thought and orchestrated every single detail. That’s why it’s taking time for the police to get in. But eventually they will.

As a former prosecutor who knows the mindset of law enforcement well, I can assure that they are very, very keen to get this dirtbag and put him away forever. Nothing fires up LEOs more than a rogue LEO who thinks he is smarter than his brethren and entitled to a free pass on the worst of crimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If this is true it changes the entire narrative.

That BB used a ruse and lure to get JR in house to try to frame him for CB's death?

No, these are just the details of the ruse and lure. C*ck scenarios are usually the husband's idea, even when not a Mark Winger style plot. It may have been keyed off the date of BB's birthday, day before. Finding and luring JR, instigating knife play, something JR had never done, taking AP to gun range, buying non-

service gun, etc. all parts of the plan. CB may have thought she was doing this for BB. See thread in Relationship forum where posters try to browbeat an upset and uncomfortable DW to do so, saying it will bring them closer and she is wrong to feel like it is cheating.

All of the details would have been worked out between JR, CB and BB. Only JR and CB were not aware of BB's true motives, to replace CB with AP, with whom he had an ongoing affair, to frame JR and to eliminate him as a witness.

That makes more sense. I too believe BB planned all that. He is LE, he knows how crime investigation works. He took his time and must have thought and orchestrated every single detail. That’s why it’s taking time for the police to get in. But eventually they will.

As a former prosecutor who knows the mindset of law enforcement well, I can assure that they are very, very keen to get this dirtbag and put him away forever. Nothing fires up LEOs more than a rogue LEO who thinks he is smarter than his brethren and entitled to a free pass on the worst of crimes.

Ok but to be fair, BB was an IRS agent not a criminal investigator.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If this is true it changes the entire narrative.

That BB used a ruse and lure to get JR in house to try to frame him for CB's death?

No, these are just the details of the ruse and lure. C*ck scenarios are usually the husband's idea, even when not a Mark Winger style plot. It may have been keyed off the date of BB's birthday, day before. Finding and luring JR, instigating knife play, something JR had never done, taking AP to gun range, buying non-

service gun, etc. all parts of the plan. CB may have thought she was doing this for BB. See thread in Relationship forum where posters try to browbeat an upset and uncomfortable DW to do so, saying it will bring them closer and she is wrong to feel like it is cheating.

All of the details would have been worked out between JR, CB and BB. Only JR and CB were not aware of BB's true motives, to replace CB with AP, with whom he had an ongoing affair, to frame JR and to eliminate him as a witness.

That makes more sense. I too believe BB planned all that. He is LE, he knows how crime investigation works. He took his time and must have thought and orchestrated every single detail. That’s why it’s taking time for the police to get in. But eventually they will.

As a former prosecutor who knows the mindset of law enforcement well, I can assure that they are very, very keen to get this dirtbag and put him away forever. Nothing fires up LEOs more than a rogue LEO who thinks he is smarter than his brethren and entitled to a free pass on the worst of crimes.

Ok but to be fair, BB was an IRS agent not a criminal investigator.

Probably quite familiar with electronic forensics re: his work.

[Anonymous]

His arrogant atttitude is clear too, he's "federal LE" that most have never heard of, smarter than the locals.

[Anonymous]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_Criminal_Investigation

[Anonymous]

Special agents
IRS-CI Special Agents (GS-1811 Job Series) are commonly called criminal investigators. Special agent training begins with the Special Agent Basic Training Program (SABT) at the Federal Law Enforcement Academy (FLETC) in Glynco, Georgia. New special agents attend approximately six months of training including Pre-Basic Orientation Training Program (PB, Phase 1), Criminal Investigator Training Program (CITP, Phase 2), Special Agent Investigative Techniques (SAIT, Phase 3) and On-the-Job Training (OJT, Phase 4). Special agents must satisfactorily complete the SAIT to retain employment with IRS-CI.[16]

IRS-CI Special Agents are the only employees within the IRS authorized to carry and use firearms. The authority to carry and use firearms is derived from United States Code Title 26, Section 7608, wherein criminal investigators of the IRS are authorized to make arrests under Federal law. Special agents are trained in the use of and currently issued Glock handguns, specifically Glock 19M and 26 self-loading pistols. Remington 870 shotguns and Smith and Wesson M&P15 rifles are also officially issued and deployed.[17]

IRS-CI Special Agents are trained to execute arrest and search warrants and conduct authorized undercover operations, including technical surveillance. Consistent with the safe conduct of such operations, special agents are trained in building-entry and non-lethal defensive tactics training, in harmony with current Federal law enforcement use-of-force training. Special agents also serve as dignitary protection staff and in air marshal roles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If this is true it changes the entire narrative.

That BB used a ruse and lure to get JR in house to try to frame him for CB's death?

No, these are just the details of the ruse and lure. C*ck scenarios are usually the husband's idea, even when not a Mark Winger style plot. It may have been keyed off the date of BB's birthday, day before. Finding and luring JR, instigating knife play, something JR had never done, taking AP to gun range, buying non-

service gun, etc. all parts of the plan. CB may have thought she was doing this for BB. See thread in Relationship forum where posters try to browbeat an upset and uncomfortable DW to do so, saying it will bring them closer and she is wrong to feel like it is cheating.

All of the details would have been worked out between JR, CB and BB. Only JR and CB were not aware of BB's true motives, to replace CB with AP, with whom he had an ongoing affair, to frame JR and to eliminate him as a witness.

That makes more sense. I too believe BB planned all that. He is LE, he knows how crime investigation works. He took his time and must have thought and orchestrated every single detail. That’s why it’s taking time for the police to get in. But eventually they will.

As a former prosecutor who knows the mindset of law enforcement well, I can assure that they are very, very keen to get this dirtbag and put him away forever. Nothing fires up LEOs more than a rogue LEO who thinks he is smarter than his brethren and entitled to a free pass on the worst of crimes.

Ok but to be fair, BB was an IRS agent not a criminal investigator.

See info re: training of IRS Special Agents above. He did have criminal investigator training.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

This is a key question. This case is messy. I need the silver haired fox Keith Morrison to parse the details.

Even if it was CB, the idea of the scene with JR may have originated with BB, usually it is the DH pushing the c*ck kink. JR may have raised knife idea from something BB had said. JR's friend said he had met with a couple. What transpired there may not ever be known. BB has a murder plot in mind and was orchestrating the elements. A knife brought by JR with his fingerprints on it was key. JR was not into knife play and said he had never done it. So, more likely BB implied that was desired than that it suddenly spontaneously happened.

Joe literally told people where he was going that week. He was very openly engaged on that website. I do not think he was going there to purposely kill someone. Something went terribly wrong. Whether it was CB or BB that initiated the meet up, I do not believe JR went there with the intent to kill.

Exactly. JR had ZERO reason to want to kill CB. He wouldn't tell people he was going there and park right at the house with his own car if he was going into the supposed tryst with the plan of killing CB.

IF JR was just "acting out" a scene that BB unknowingly walked into and thought was JR actually killing CB, then sure, BB would have a defense to shooting at someone he thought was murdering his wife (JR). But, that doesn't explain how CB ended up actually being dead. Someone killed CB -- and JR is the LEAST likely suspect. BB and AP have a lot more motive to kill CB than JR.

PP who is trying to put CB's murder on JR is either a looney tune or he/she has some agenda to protect BB. But, no one is buying that story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s incredible that all of the actual evidence provided thus far points to CB having a BDSM sexual relationship with JR, yet all of you play mental gymnastics to twist this around on her husband.

JR was the only murderer in this case.

This.

This +1000.

So many on this thread are so emotionally invested in BB being a criminal mastermind and CB being unaware of Joe coming that morning. It seem to me she was aware he was coming. The new details point to her communicating with Joe, talking to Joe on the phone, she was naked when he arrived and most narratives have BB not in the house when Joe arrived. How in the world would BB have orchestrated a situation where Joe enters the house, goes to the bedroom with CB inside, and neither Joe or CB freak out over the ruse? Did BB just expect CB and Joe to hang out naked together until he arrived (I know Joe wasn't naked)?

I don't know if Joe stabbed CB but it seems very likely CB knew he was coming and they agreed he would bring a knife.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s incredible that all of the actual evidence provided thus far points to CB having a BDSM sexual relationship with JR, yet all of you play mental gymnastics to twist this around on her husband.

JR was the only murderer in this case.

This.

This +1000.

So many on this thread are so emotionally invested in BB being a criminal mastermind and CB being unaware of Joe coming that morning. It seem to me she was aware he was coming. The new details point to her communicating with Joe, talking to Joe on the phone, she was naked when he arrived and most narratives have BB not in the house when Joe arrived. How in the world would BB have orchestrated a situation where Joe enters the house, goes to the bedroom with CB inside, and neither Joe or CB freak out over the ruse? Did BB just expect CB and Joe to hang out naked together until he arrived (I know Joe wasn't naked)?

I don't know if Joe stabbed CB but it seems very likely CB knew he was coming and they agreed he would bring a knife.

The “BB as mastermind” of this does fall apart given the details.

[Anonymous]

I feel like it isn't really clear what the theory is on HOW/WHEN CB was killed.

I had assumed that BB stabbed CB before he left, then the nanny left. Then JR came into the house and found CB -- and shortly thereafter, BB came into the room.

But, this begs the question of why JR stayed in the room upon finding CB in a near dead state. Why didn't JR leave before BB arrived?

No one heard CB screaming when BB went into the bedroom.

So, was CB unconscious when JR arrived, and when BB came into the room? When exactly was CB stabbed? Was it before JR arrived or after BB shot JR the first time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s incredible that all of the actual evidence provided thus far points to CB having a BDSM sexual relationship with JR, yet all of you play mental gymnastics to twist this around on her husband.

JR was the only murderer in this case.

This.

This +1000.

So many on this thread are so emotionally invested in BB being a criminal mastermind and CB being unaware of Joe coming that morning. It seem to me she was aware he was coming. The new details point to her communicating with Joe, talking to Joe on the phone, she was naked when he arrived and most narratives have BB not in the house when Joe arrived. How in the world would BB have orchestrated a situation where Joe enters the house, goes to the bedroom with CB inside, and neither Joe or CB freak out over the ruse? Did BB just expect CB and Joe to hang out naked together until he arrived (I know Joe wasn't naked)?

I don't know if Joe stabbed CB but it seems very likely CB knew he was coming and they agreed he would bring a knife.

The “BB as mastermind” of this does fall apart given the details.

Not at all. Are you drunk?

A c*ck scenario was planned and they found JR for it. All details were agreed to between the 3. CB may have wanted to do it, or may have done it to please BB for his birthday. CB and JR believed it was about sex that BB was aware of and orchestrated. Instead it was a ruse and lure and he was to be the patsy. They were unaware that BB and AP had gone to gun range, bought a non-service revolver, swapped out phones, had been having affair, that AP had no plans to leave US but to move into master bedroom with BB, etc.

Read the recent thread in the relationships forum or Google c*ck scenes, almost 100% of the time driven by DH's fetish. Except here his desire was for murder. F*tlife was a way to order up a man into the house to frame.