DA vs ECNL vs everything else

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is a problem with youth travel soccer. The players are not taught to be patient with the ball. They don't learn to play to space. Watch at your next game. The players, as soon as pressured, will often force passes to any teammate they see downfield even if covered. Or they will boot it downfield. Almost always towards the goal. This is direct soccer, not possession. All youth teams are taught to work the ball outside and get it down the field. They do this almost blindly, even into coverage and they then try to force their way through. There is a general sense of panic which is not necessary. The goalies will first look to punt at least half the time, not keep possession and work from the back. Again, panic. My DD's team is the same way. I would gladly send my DD and thousands of dollars a year to the program that teaches possession soccer but I have not seen one in the many years I have watched youth travel soccer. DA and ECNL are the same way. Why is this?

Agree with you in theory. The issue is youth soccer players in this country aren't skillful enough by the time punting is allowed to maintain possession in their own half without making mistakes. The pressure from most coaches and DEFINITELY from the loudest parents watching games to get the ball into the attacking half is enormous. The games you describe, every time a player plays the ball toward their own goal to a teammate, half the parents are yelling "forward" or "nooooo" or "kick it". The only way to truly learn to play possession soccer as you describe (and is right) is to have kids in an environment where they are encouraged to take risks by top quality coaches. This is what it means when all these people say to all these parents "it's not about winning". It is all the people who know the game like you obviously do begging the yellers and screamers and bad coaches to please just stop talking.

The promise of the DA is that if there could one day be a clear number of truly elite clubs in their areas that nobody disputed. If you get to this, then you get a place for the most talented players to play for from very early ages, were the club can do the things that matter without the pressure from people who honestly have no idea what they're looking at. For that to happen the DA has to be basically free too, which is coming into focus on the boys side, but a very very long way out for the girls. That's why this is all so messed up. Everyone including USA Soccer solves problems by staring their own league and making their own rules but without the ability to go all the way through with the idea.


Problem in America is most coaches prefer athletic kids who they think they can mold into a good soccer player rather than seeing kids with high soccer IQ who might be physically smaller. This needs to stop. Athleticism is one thing and being soccer player is another. Additionally, lots of these coaches are result oriented and are not doing a good job developing players. Most are bad coaches to begin with. Some just don't even care. So, it is important to find a club that teach fundamental soccer. Being able to build up from the back, with movement and passing the ball. Goal here is to make the other team constantly move and guess what you are going to do. You don't have to always go forward, but maintain possession as much as you can. My daughter's team is a good possession team and make lots of give and goes, overlapping runs and through balls which allows them to dictate the game. On the other side of the coin is, they are well coached to press and not let the other team pass and move past midfield. One of the things i do with my daughter who is 11, is watch champions league or matches from Europe. It helps her see what they learn and do, is actually done at highest level of soccer.


That is great to hear. If your DD is U12, you may see pressing or Gegenpressing becomes more challenging next year on the big field. It’s a great way to create a quick counter and many teams play a press with a high back line. But it’s also a high risk / high reward style and requires a very talented keeper that will leave the box and sweep the large gap between the GK and Backline. If you like this style then watch Liverpool in the EPL.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Possession soccer"

Another useless term spouted by pretentious parents. Just because the GK punts the ball does not mean they do not play the possession style.


Wrong. It's an indicator of direct soccer. A punt is a 50/50 ball. Actually worse because the opposing team is facing the ball. Punts have a place when your team is pressured. Otherwise play it from the back. Soccer is a possession game. When you see the pros punting it is typically to someone. Or the better keepers javelin to someone on a quick counter. Watch Manuel Neuer or Hugo Lloris play, goalkeeper distribution is about keeping possession.


The objectives of the DA program are to get teams building from the back.

If clubs are letting their players play long balls or punt it out of the back, USSF technical advisors make note and work with the clubs to change this.

Give it a couple of years on the girls side and you should start seeing less and less direct soccer.


Can't wait that long. Our club does not allow punting out of the back. Period. If kids aren't listening and sticking to the methodology--out they come. I have seen a team turn around in less than 7 months time. I'm not sure why it will take US soccer years to do this.

I'll tell you why---none of the DA coaches I know from this area are trained properly to coach this way. They still are using athleticism as their primary strategy. They, themselves, don't have the knowledge or how to implement it. Watch the training sessions, watch the games. We have coaching inconsistency in the US. So many different styles and so many different leagues/clubs without any cohesiveness. That's why our USMNT is a giant mess.
Anonymous
Problem in America is most coaches prefer athletic kids who they think they can mold into a good soccer player rather than seeing kids with high soccer IQ who might be physically smaller. This needs to stop. Athleticism is one thing and being soccer player is another. Additionally, lots of these coaches are result oriented and are not doing a good job developing players. Most are bad coaches to begin with. Some just don't even care. So, it is important to find a club that teach fundamental soccer. Being able to build up from the back, with movement and passing the ball. Goal here is to make the other team constantly move and guess what you are going to do. You don't have to always go forward, but maintain possession as much as you can. My daughter's team is a good possession team and make lots of give and goes, overlapping runs and through balls which allows them to dictate the game. On the other side of the coin is, they are well coached to press and not let the other team pass and move past midfield. One of the things i do with my daughter who is 11, is watch champions league or matches from Europe. It helps her see what they learn and do, is actually done at highest level of soccer.

Really think the tide has decisively turned on this issue. The idea that travel coaches select the largest, most physically imposing or stereotypically "athletic" players hasn't been true for 20 years. From what I've seen, coaches now prefer small, quick, agile players who are as old as possible for their birth year over big kids who don't offer much other than size. I agree with what you're saying overall, tho.
Anonymous
I think teams need to be taught tactics. Yes possession soccer but I see teams lack a tactical approach. I know it’s not easy and these kids are learning but pick a style and teach it. So for example, if you are pressing, then that also means you aren’t reforming the defense when you lose possession. There are pros and cons. It’s a choice but you can’t do everything. Just like you can’t play both man and zone in football.
Anonymous
Keep seeing the phrase, "Americas problem is..."

The things your kids should be taught are not the things they are learning at an early age. That's the problem. It takes years to refine these skill.

1. First touch. If its not good then they're not good.

2. Shielding: Buys time to make appropriate decision. Allows you to deal with pressure accordingly. Helps relieve panic.

3. Check shoulder: Know your surroundings. Always be checking. One minute you're open. The other you're not. Soccer is a game of space. Find it.

4. Dribbling: NEVER EVER TAUGHT. Best player can dribble. Most kids don't have good enough touch to dribble at a high level.

5. Movement off the ball: Find space, be an option, don't stand and watch the game. Be apart of it.

Start with that.



Anonymous
6. You have to be athletic, big or small. If one can’t own your space you will lose it. This is the reality, excuses about coaches’ only selecting athletic Kids is parental compenstion/excuses.
Anonymous
3 & 5 are socce IQ. Not a lot of that in the girls’ game.
Anonymous
RantingSoccerDad wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Keep seeing the phrase, "Americas problem is..."

The things your kids should be taught are not the things they are learning at an early age. That's the problem. It takes years to refine these skill.

1. First touch. If its not good then they're not good.

2. Shielding: Buys time to make appropriate decision. Allows you to deal with pressure accordingly. Helps relieve panic.

3. Check shoulder: Know your surroundings. Always be checking. One minute you're open. The other you're not. Soccer is a game of space. Find it.

4. Dribbling: NEVER EVER TAUGHT. Best player can dribble. Most kids don't have good enough touch to dribble at a high level.

5. Movement off the ball: Find space, be an option, don't stand and watch the game. Be apart of it.

Start with that.





2 and 4 are usually taught. 2 maybe a bit too much -- "shielding" becomes "pushing" in a hurry.


Shielding becomes pushing? Not unless you are one of those parents who shouts hey ref don't let them push anytime someone's arm come up.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Those are good points from the last few posters. I have been evaluating the options for a while and I am coming to the conclusion that DA will be the best path for my DD. Why? Because I want her to learn to play soccer the right way. Having the TDs work with these DA programs to improve the game is the right thing to do. It’s what USSF should be doing. Having that structure is important. At the end of the day, the curriculum matters more to me than winning or losing, more than where the talent goes or anything else.


So D. Drake is going to come teach your club guy how to coach the DA way? Drink the Kool-Aid. She couldn't coach a winning season after Gtown.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Those are good points from the last few posters. I have been evaluating the options for a while and I am coming to the conclusion that DA will be the best path for my DD. Why? Because I want her to learn to play soccer the right way. Having the TDs work with these DA programs to improve the game is the right thing to do. It’s what USSF should be doing. Having that structure is important. At the end of the day, the curriculum matters more to me than winning or losing, more than where the talent goes or anything else.


So D. Drake is going to come teach your club guy how to coach the DA way? Drink the Kool-Aid. She couldn't coach a winning season after Gtown.


+1000. Roasted. And on point.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Possession soccer"

Another useless term spouted by pretentious parents. Just because the GK punts the ball does not mean they do not play the possession style.


Wrong. It's an indicator of direct soccer. A punt is a 50/50 ball. Actually worse because the opposing team is facing the ball. Punts have a place when your team is pressured. Otherwise play it from the back. Soccer is a possession game. When you see the pros punting it is typically to someone. Or the better keepers javelin to someone on a quick counter. Watch Manuel Neuer or Hugo Lloris play, goalkeeper distribution is about keeping possession.


The objectives of the DA program are to get teams building from the back.

If clubs are letting their players play long balls or punt it out of the back, USSF technical advisors make note and work with the clubs to change this.

Give it a couple of years on the girls side and you should start seeing less and less direct soccer.


Can't wait that long. Our club does not allow punting out of the back. Period. If kids aren't listening and sticking to the methodology--out they come. I have seen a team turn around in less than 7 months time. I'm not sure why it will take US soccer years to do this.

I'll tell you why---none of the DA coaches I know from this area are trained properly to coach this way. They still are using athleticism as their primary strategy. They, themselves, don't have the knowledge or how to implement it. Watch the training sessions, watch the games. We have coaching inconsistency in the US. So many different styles and so many different leagues/clubs without any cohesiveness. That's why our USMNT is a giant mess.


+1 Nailed it. USSDA's technical advisors? came from the same clubs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Those are good points from the last few posters. I have been evaluating the options for a while and I am coming to the conclusion that DA will be the best path for my DD. Why? Because I want her to learn to play soccer the right way. Having the TDs work with these DA programs to improve the game is the right thing to do. It’s what USSF should be doing. Having that structure is important. At the end of the day, the curriculum matters more to me than winning or losing, more than where the talent goes or anything else.


So D. Drake is going to come teach your club guy how to coach the DA way? Drink the Kool-Aid. She couldn't coach a winning season after Gtown.


I don’t need Pep Guardiola to oversee the club. What I am looking for is some structure and USSF seems to have more than ECNL at this point.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Those are good points from the last few posters. I have been evaluating the options for a while and I am coming to the conclusion that DA will be the best path for my DD. Why? Because I want her to learn to play soccer the right way. Having the TDs work with these DA programs to improve the game is the right thing to do. It’s what USSF should be doing. Having that structure is important. At the end of the day, the curriculum matters more to me than winning or losing, more than where the talent goes or anything else.


So D. Drake is going to come teach your club guy how to coach the DA way? Drink the Kool-Aid. She couldn't coach a winning season after Gtown.


I don’t need Pep Guardiola to oversee the club. What I am looking for is some structure and USSF seems to have more than ECNL at this point.


That is it. "structure" wins championships. Close the board. We have the answer. Get structure........
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Those are good points from the last few posters. I have been evaluating the options for a while and I am coming to the conclusion that DA will be the best path for my DD. Why? Because I want her to learn to play soccer the right way. Having the TDs work with these DA programs to improve the game is the right thing to do. It’s what USSF should be doing. Having that structure is important. At the end of the day, the curriculum matters more to me than winning or losing, more than where the talent goes or anything else.


So D. Drake is going to come teach your club guy how to coach the DA way? Drink the Kool-Aid. She couldn't coach a winning season after Gtown.


+1000. Roasted. And on point.


Forgot to add: "or at Mclean soccer"
Anonymous
It would be fantastic to have one league and pro/rel and less crazy travel than we have today, for sure. But if your kid is going into her sophomore year in high school and wants to play in college, it really feels like you have no choice but to opt into the DA or ECNL systems. And we resisted for quite some time—our daughter entered the ‘system’ later than most, playing with her local travel club for longer than her other friends with college/pro soccer ambitions did. I hope someone does change the system for the next set of kids through. But those of us trying to get our kids through these high school years don’t have the time or energy!
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