ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The way people view this incident seems to be entirely colored by their preexisting views of ICE.

I supported ICE prior to this and I view the death as unfortunate by justified. The posters claiming we should fear ICE because of this incident are spreading misinformation. I would never be killed by ICE, because I would never attempt to interfere with their operations like this woman did.

ICE agents are law enforcement officers, not nazis or some kind of gestapo as some on this thread have called them. Every other country and party in the world enforces its immigration laws. Democrats seem to be the only party/people in the world who believe that immigration enforcement is illegitimate.

Even the mullahs in Iran are warning protesters that they will be punishable by death. So no. Ross was not justified in aiming his gun at her, never mind pulling the trigger three times and executing her.

Obviously it wasn't right and yes he should be reprimanded, but under the circumstances, the understandable panic he felt, and the split second in which he acted, it was a massive f*** up, not "murder" like the far left wants so badly to believe.

I think a lot more people would agree with you if the federal government would just admit the officer made a giant mistake, the result was tragic, the officer should be placed on leave and an actual investigation should happen. But instead they high-five each other, refuse to administer help to a dying woman, stomp on her memorial and insist that SHE is the one who deserved to be murdered. THAT is the bigger problem.

Agreed. They have handled this extraordinarily poorly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, I haven't read through all of this, but someone let me know if I'm getting the general gist right.
Deceased and her partner were intentionally blocking the road? Deceased partner was taunting the cops?

Are these premises correct?

Neither one is correct.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The way people view this incident seems to be entirely colored by their preexisting views of ICE.

I supported ICE prior to this and I view the death as unfortunate by justified. The posters claiming we should fear ICE because of this incident are spreading misinformation. I would never be killed by ICE, because I would never attempt to interfere with their operations like this woman did.

ICE agents are law enforcement officers, not nazis or some kind of gestapo as some on this thread have called them. Every other country and party in the world enforces its immigration laws. Democrats seem to be the only party/people in the world who believe that immigration enforcement is illegitimate.

Even the mullahs in Iran are warning protesters that they will be punishable by death. So no. Ross was not justified in aiming his gun at her, never mind pulling the trigger three times and executing her.

Obviously it wasn't right and yes he should be reprimanded, but under the circumstances, the understandable panic he felt, and the split second in which he acted, it was a massive f*** up, not "murder" like the far left wants so badly to believe.

I think a lot more people would agree with you if the federal government would just admit the officer made a giant mistake, the result was tragic, the officer should be placed on leave and an actual investigation should happen. But instead they high-five each other, refuse to administer help to a dying woman, stomp on her memorial and insist that SHE is the one who deserved to be murdered. THAT is the bigger problem.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the new video shows that the wife was trying to push all his buttons. She pissed him off enough that he reacted by shooting the victim. I see ZERO evidence that his life was in danger nor evidence that she was "weaponizing her vehicle", in fact it is now clearer that she was leaving the scene.

Just because the wife was mouthing off was NOT a reason to use deadly force.

It isn’t a justification but it shows how stupid and unhinged the people trying to obstruct ICE are.

I don’t think the shooting was justified, but WTF were they trying to accomplish exactly?

Who goes out and tries to antagonize and pick a fight with law enforcement trying to do their job? If I don’t like speeding enforcement should I follow state troopers around screaming at them, holding a cell phone in their face, and blowing whistles next to them all day?

The officers are doing what they are told. They can’t just decide not to do their job because you disagree with it. Of course they should try to stay cool… but they are also human and if you put them under enough pressure long someone will lose their cool.

There is no evidence the she was doing any of that, but generally, that would be an act of civil disobedience. The people assuming some risk to help right a wrong.

It doesn’t mean that you’ll get to murder someone, no matter how broken and pathetic you are.

You just want so badly to believe the worst about ICE/law enforcement. What he did was not murder. It was a mistake, and a mistake that could very justifiably cost him his job, but it wasn't murder.

Shooting into the driver's side window when the vehicle had already passed for the kill shots suggests otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The video proves that the ICE agent was struck by the victim’s vehicle. IMO, his actions were lawful. The disrespect the wife showed the agents and the victim’s refusal to follow orders may have led him to believe that the victim was trying to kill him when she stuck him with her vehicle. I don’t think she was trying to kill him, but she did hit him while driving away, and a reasonable officer could have feared for his life in the situation. This wasn’t some innocent mom, as posters are trying to portray her as. She and her wife were agitators who stalked, obstructed and then committed violence against federal agents.

+1. Also, wasn't this new video from his body cam, rather than a cell phone? So he wasn't holding the recording device in his hand.

No, it's from his cell phone, which was dropped as he went for his gun.

Or as he tried to get out of the way of the car that was heading towards him.

With her turning the steering wheel in the opposite direction? Are both of you this bad at physics?[/quote]

In that split second when the cop saw the car heading towards him, was he really supposed to realize that she was turning the wheel?

Should LEO sauntering up to a vehicle and talking to a driver be able to tell whether, right in front of him with clear view to her hands, be able to tell if she is turning the wheel toward or away from him before he shoots her and calls her a "f--king b---h?" Yeah. He should.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There was nothing in that video that justified shooting. Nor did it appear that he feared for his life. If Ross did put this video out there, he's a moron.

Disagree. She was taunting him and aiming right at him.

Do you seriously think taunting (which by the way was coming from her partner, not her) justifies deadly use of force???

You might be a psychopath.

- prosecutor

She wasn't shot for taunting. She was shot for attempted murder

She was shot because the police officer who was in a panic (justifiably so), made a mistake.

That’s for a jury to decide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The video proves that the ICE agent was struck by the victim’s vehicle. IMO, his actions were lawful. The disrespect the wife showed the agents and the victim’s refusal to follow orders may have led him to believe that the victim was trying to kill him when she stuck him with her vehicle. I don’t think she was trying to kill him, but she did hit him while driving away, and a reasonable officer could have feared for his life in the situation. This wasn’t some innocent mom, as posters are trying to portray her as. She and her wife were agitators who stalked, obstructed and then committed violence against federal agents.

+1. Also, wasn't this new video from his body cam, rather than a cell phone? So he wasn't holding the recording device in his hand.

No, it's from his cell phone, which was dropped as he went for his gun.

Or as he tried to get out of the way of the car that was heading towards him.

With her turning the steering wheel in the opposite direction? Are both of you this bad at physics?[/quote]

In that split second when the cop saw the car heading towards him, was he really supposed to realize that she was turning the wheel?

Should LEO sauntering up to a vehicle and talking to a driver be able to tell whether -- right in front of him with clear view to her hands -- whether she is turning the wheel toward or away from him before he shoots her and calls her a "f--king b---h?" Yeah. He should.

[Anonymous]

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I'm really impressed about how this panicked ICE officer who was fearing for his life as a vehicle was turning away from him managed to film it, pursue the vehicle, reach in, shoot the woman three times, and then call her a "f--king b---h" on the audio.

He sounds absolutely like a guy that's going to de-escalate a situation.

Ross is a weak person and I would be surprised if he didn’t engage in deeply immoral acts while in the military.

[Anonymous]

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I'm really impressed about how this panicked ICE officer who was fearing for his life as a vehicle was turning away from him managed to film it, pursue the vehicle, reach in, shoot the woman three times, and then call her a "f--king b---h" on the audio.

He sounds absolutely like a guy that's going to de-escalate a situation.

Someone who uses their car to intentionally block in officers is commiting an incredibly brazen act and very rightfully would be viewed extreme caution. This isn't someone simply holding a sign and chanting. If I saw a protestor blocking in officers I would definitely think it's quite likely that such a person is inclined to act with violence.

[Anonymous]

Why are ICE agents mounting an operation 2 blocks from an elementary school on a school day when parents are dropping off their kids at school? Blocking streets.

Sounds really safe. /s

No wonder the MPS closed all schools on Thursday and Friday.

What justifies these kinds of actions? Just stop with the ICE commando style crap and get the "dangerous" illegal immigrants out another way. This is totally ridiculous and the rest of the world is just looking at us like we are completely insane (which the government clearly is).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The way people view this incident seems to be entirely colored by their preexisting views of ICE.

I supported ICE prior to this and I view the death as unfortunate by justified. The posters claiming we should fear ICE because of this incident are spreading misinformation. I would never be killed by ICE, because I would never attempt to interfere with their operations like this woman did.

ICE agents are law enforcement officers, not nazis or some kind of gestapo as some on this thread have called them. Every other country and party in the world enforces its immigration laws. Democrats seem to be the only party/people in the world who believe that immigration enforcement is illegitimate.

They are not law enforcement officers. They are not enforcing law. They round up brown people and detain them.

And if they are here legally they are released and if they came here illegally, they are sent back to their country.
What's the problem?

Big Government agents do not get to round up people in a grocery store in America simply for just existing. This is America - that don't fly and you can see that MANY Americans are pissed off when government agents try to import Chinese and Russian tactics here.

We have the 4th Amendment.

[Anonymous]

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I'm really impressed about how this panicked ICE officer who was fearing for his life as a vehicle was turning away from him managed to film it, pursue the vehicle, reach in, shoot the woman three times, and then call her a "f--king b---h" on the audio.

He sounds absolutely like a guy that's going to de-escalate a situation.

Ross is a weak person and I would be surprised if he didn’t engage in deeply immoral acts while in the military.

And how would you characterize a protester who uses her car to block in officers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well the latest video should shut down all the other theories.

Smiling, laughing, antagonizing, driving right at him. They were obstructing and happy about it.

She drove directly at him. She was not scared or worried. She was just an idiot.

She (and especially her wife) came across as insufferable b****es.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm really impressed about how this panicked ICE officer who was fearing for his life as a vehicle was turning away from him managed to film it, pursue the vehicle, reach in, shoot the woman three times, and then call her a "f--king b---h" on the audio.

He sounds absolutely like a guy that's going to de-escalate a situation.

Someone who uses their car to intentionally block in officers is commiting an incredibly brazen act and very rightfully would be viewed extreme caution. This isn't someone simply holding a sign and chanting. If I saw a protestor blocking in officers I would definitely think it's quite likely that such a person is inclined to act with violence.

The officer didn’t seem very cautious

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well the latest video should shut down all the other theories.

Smiling, laughing, antagonizing, driving right at him. They were obstructing and happy about it.

She drove directly at him. She was not scared or worried. She was just an idiot.

At what point in the video does she drive right at him? What time stamp?