student admissions and TJ lawsuit
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Anonymous
Understood. You ancestors were immigrants to this country. And so are so many more after them. No one bestowed anything. It is all for self interest. What is amazing is that a loser like you is are holding on to your ancestors achievements for your power instead of working on making yourself better. I guess it happens when people like you get soft and lazy. |
Anonymous
I am not sure you have ever been out or the country. Yes. People Europeans did go all those countries, told people they sucked and stole from there too. It is just that your time is up now supreme white one. I think it should now be obvious to Blacks/Hispanics that you are being played by white liberals like this guy and Scotty. They just want to try to keep themselves on top by acting all morally superior using URMs as tokens. Don't fall for it. |
Anonymous
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-will-consider-challenges-affirmative-action-harvard-unc-admissions-n1287915
This case won't be decided before the district court judge rules in the TJ lawsuit, but it may well affect its ultimate disposition. |
Anonymous
| Man you step away from this thread for a bit and its starts getting racist as sh*t. I'm tempted to ask for moderation but I think it's informative for people to see each others true colors. |
Anonymous
Very racist. |
Anonymous
URM’s aren’t being used. They have been discriminated against here in America every since Columbus got here. We know Scotty is no friend of ours, but Youngkin is even less our friend. This isn’t our fight. We were being discriminated against before any new policy and are still being discriminated against under the new policy. All the racism you watch is endured and none of you other groups stand up and fight for us. You actually join in and kick us while we are down. A lot of you have demonstrate vitriol towards URM’s. Just read how you talk about us on DCUM. If you are being treated wrong, that’s unfortunate, but we are experiencing a lot of racism in other areas which we are fighting against. Hold your own nuts! |
Anonymous
I am not disagreeing with you at all. I know it is not your fight. For some people are using other groups for their own benefit. 100% agree on the long standing racism. Fight for what's right. It will help the whole community. |
Anonymous
That's the essence of the whole issue. Just stating the obvious. |
Anonymous
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And people say Asians don’t get discriminated against…
Asians might not have it as bad as some minorities, but the racism can be very real. |
Anonymous
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Asians are 100% discriminated against. There is no doubt that this is an issue. Lots of examples, historical and ongoing.
Attempts at increasing access to a Public school that serves the County so that the school reflects the County as a whole is not inherently Racist. Increasing representation of Blacks and Hispanic students, many of whom are lower income, means that the groups that represent the majority, in this case Asian students, will see a decline in their numbers. That said, the Asian population at TJ is still well above their percentage of the population in the County. The move to guaranteeing admission to the top students from every middle school in the County increased representation of underrepresented groups and diminished the number of students from other middle schools. There are members of the School Board who are prejudiced against Asians if not racist. Both statements are true. But that doesn't mean the attempt to insure that kids from across the County have an opportunity to attend an amazing school is, by definition, racist. |
Anonymous
Racism/Discrimination or even perceived racism is defined from the perspective of the ones that are at the receiving end of it. Not the ones who (perhaps even inadvertently) are dishing it out. We now look back at figures in history and call them racists. In their time they saw themselves as benevolent benefactors. You should understand that your declaration on what is and what isn’t discrimination is not landing well. Because there are people felling discriminated against. And it is worse when you cite a greater cause (URM participation) to justify discrimination against a class of people. For an individual who feels discriminated it is not enough to say your interests are not as important as the others. Each individual matters. Having said that, TJ needed some fixing. But the process was flawed and hurried by people who wanted political recognition. They have unfortunately created a race based schism in our community. They did get their comeuppance in the recent election but it will not stop them - petty political gains are more important than education. I deliberately use Discrimination and not racism which is a much higher bar. Nevertheless, the one party School Board totally messed it up and the Governor’s office can hopefully provide a counter balance when needed. |
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Perception is not always reality. I am not worried if my comments falls flat for the people in this thread who argue that anything that decreases the number of Asians at TJ as racist because there is nothing that can be done that will be seen as fair to those folks. Short of returning to the old system that is systemically unfair to kids who do not have the money or knowledge or ability (having to care for siblings/work/do something for the family) to attend STEM extras or take extra math or take Prep classes, nothing will make that particular crowd happy. Everything that changes the old system is, by de fault, racist. There is no conversation to be had.
Adjusting the seats so that there is a guarantee that kids meeting basic requirements that can be achieved in all Middle Schools in FCPS will be able to earn a seat at TJ is not racist. Any person or any race can take honors classes and Algebra and maintain a specific GPA. You can argue that it is not rigorous enough to attend TJ and we can disagree on that but it is a baseline criteria that everyone has an opportunity to achieve, regardless of race, ethnicity, or economic status. The geographic guarantee means that there will be fewer at will seats for kids at the traditional feeder schools because there are now students from all MS accepted at TJ and accepting the offer to attend TJ. The idea that most Asian students interested in TJ attend the AAP Centers for MS means that fewer Asian students will be selected for TJ. The fact that most of the Black and Hispanic kids that were selected for TJ this year are at non AAP Center schools and are at MS that have not has as many kids selected using the old criteria. People who are so interested in TJ can choose to send their kids to their base MS and not the Center. That doesn't guarantee anything because we are discussing 7-12 seats per year and the extra qualifiers probably come into play when there are multiple people who fall into that top 1.5% and that will decrease the chance of an Asian or White candidate at those schools. You can argue that TJ selection criteria should be different but plenty of people feel differently. Not every kid has access to STEM extra curricular activities or supplemental math classes so that they are taking Algebra in 6th grade, heck not every school allows Algebra in 6th grade. My kids ES does not discuss Algebra in 6th grade and we are an UMC school and it is not a possibility. Not every kid is taking prep classes or doing prep books for the NNAT or CogAT or the TJ tests. While some think that the fact that parents, and some kids, are pursuing those options for their kids and the kids excel in them is an indication how much more deserving those kids are of attending TJ, many people don't agree. And that disagreement, at least for me, has nothing to do with race and everything to do with reasonable access requirements for a public resource in the form of TJ. My kid is white, UMC and will be attending Rachel Carson because it his base school. He is also in AAP so would have the change of attending one of the Centers if Carson wasn't his base. These changes are likely to diminish his chances of attending TJ. I am fine with that. I don't know if he is going to be interested in TJ when that time comes. I also know that he will have excellent opportunities at his base HS. |
Anonymous
Two wrongs don't make a right. The TJ situation before last year was not right. The "fix" was not right either. And here we are. I don't have a solution but to me clearly the school board and Braband did not have to rush it (especially in the middle of the Pandemic when schools were dealing with unprecedented issues). Where does the solution lie? Perhaps in more inclusive consultation and less of "us and them". Less of the moral police speaking down to the impacted folks. The eventual outcome will not please all but at least everyone would feel like they had a say in the design. UVA is inclusive and diverse and they make sure that they do not fill up the class with high-stats/well resourced NoVA kids. How did they do that? There has been very little theater and chest-thumping from the UVA administration (unlike our School Board) and everyone seems ok? I understand that UVA and FCPS are different but that is why we need leadership on the School Board to deal with seemingly intractable problems and not pork barrel politicians with pet issues. |
Anonymous
Just wanted to address a few points: If kids are too busy caring for siblings/work/whatever to be able to do any STEM extracurriculars, then how are they possibly going to handle the rigorous load at TJ? These kids are being set up to fail at TJ, unless TJ waters down its requirements. A 3.5 GPA, 3 honors classes, and Algebra in 8th is a very low bar. About half of the FCPS population would be considered TJ eligible. The bar should be significantly higher for admission into an elite high school that is intended to serve kids who can't have their needs met at their base school. If a kid can't maintain at least a 3.8 GPA in the super watered down FCPS classes, they will get destroyed at TJ. Every single FCPS kid has the opportunity to take Algebra in 7th. Those who don't either lack the aptitude or lack the motivation to make it happen. Every single FCPS middle school has some STEM extracurriculars. If a kid is too burdened to show any interest in STEM by participating in any of those, then they're either not particularly interested in STEM, not particularly motivated, or too overburdened to possibly be successful at TJ. It's absurd to penalize people for sending their kids to the AAP center. Seeking out the most rigorous course load should be an asset and not a hindrance for TJ admissions. FCPS should have used zoned middle school and not attending middle school for the top 1.5%. They would still achieve geographic diversity without penalizing kids for taking more rigorous classes. The fact that FCPS failed to allocate the seats this way means that either the entire process was rushed and poorly conceived, or they deliberately were seeking objectively less qualified kids to meet their diversity goals. Really, though, having a merit based process that results in fewer Asians is fine. The 1.5% seat allocation would have been reasonable if done by zoned school, even if it resulted in fewer Asians. Adjusting the seats specifically to meet demographic targets is racist. Likewise, having SB members make racist statements against Asians while doing this adjustment is quite racist. |
Anonymous
UVA and pretty much every major university accomplishes this goal in large part through soft geographic quotas. They have a soft cap on the number of students that they'll take from Northern Virginia and Virginia as a whole. They go out and find outstandingly qualified students from different parts of the country, and they ensure that what they're looking for includes diverse skill sets and interests, which by nature is going to result in a more diverse population. So.... there's that. |