Why is ante bellum racist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Antebellum is about celebrating the slave era. It's not about hoop skirts.

It probably is about the hoop skirts for most. But it displays an appalling cluelessness about how those hoop skirts were paid for and how some are still affected by all the racism that went with the hoop skirts. Americans are often clueless, willfully or not.

It’s not about the hoop skirts. If it were about the hoop skirts and not about putting their thumb in peoples’ eyes, they could have Abolitionist Society parties. They’re not doing that. They are celebrating white supremacy.

[Anonymous]

When I was in the 8th grade (early 2000s) my school had an "old south cotillion" right before graduation. It was a school tradition and we never thought about it racial terms. My class was about 90% white and 10% BIPOC. I kind of cringe when I look back at it, yet I admit I loved it as a kid and thought it was so cool to get dressed up in old-fashioned garb, do the old fashioned dances, sip punch, etc. Racism was not anywhere on our radar and yet I can now see how that theme glorifies a really bad part of history.

I still think, however, there's a difference between an old-southern-glory themed party and having an event at a plantation where the venue has nothing to do with the event.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Antebellum is about celebrating the slave era. It's not about hoop skirts.

It probably is about the hoop skirts for most. But it displays an appalling cluelessness about how those hoop skirts were paid for and how some are still affected by all the racism that went with the hoop skirts. Americans are often clueless, willfully or not.

hoop skirts went with whale bone corsets that permanently deformed and crippled women. sick culture all aorund.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I was in the 8th grade (early 2000s) my school had an "old south cotillion" right before graduation. It was a school tradition and we never thought about it racial terms. My class was about 90% white and 10% BIPOC. I kind of cringe when I look back at it, yet I admit I loved it as a kid and thought it was so cool to get dressed up in old-fashioned garb, do the old fashioned dances, sip punch, etc. Racism was not anywhere on our radar and yet I can now see how that theme glorifies a really bad part of history.

I still think, however, there's a difference between an old-southern-glory themed party and having an event at a plantation where the venue has nothing to do with the event.

Well I hope nobody posted the pictures on the Internet because if the wrong person sees it, you are toast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I was in the 8th grade (early 2000s) my school had an "old south cotillion" right before graduation. It was a school tradition and we never thought about it racial terms. My class was about 90% white and 10% BIPOC. I kind of cringe when I look back at it, yet I admit I loved it as a kid and thought it was so cool to get dressed up in old-fashioned garb, do the old fashioned dances, sip punch, etc. Racism was not anywhere on our radar and yet I can now see how that theme glorifies a really bad part of history.

I still think, however, there's a difference between an old-southern-glory themed party and having an event at a plantation where the venue has nothing to do with the event.

I don’t. I get that they’re historical houses, but when they’re put in their proper perspective - they’re basically forced labor prison camps for people whose torture and toil and forced labor - it makes it kind of a weird place to have a wedding.

Someday in the after times I want to visit Whitney Plantation. https://www.whitneyplantation.org/

[Anonymous]

The South has so many great virtues that deserve to be celebrated. Lots of jealous people here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The South has so many great virtues that deserve to be celebrated. Lots of jealous people here.

Find something better to celebrate than how great life was when you could own other people to do all the work. No one is jealous of this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The South has so many great virtues that deserve to be celebrated. Lots of jealous people here.

Find something better to celebrate than how great life was when you could own other people to do all the work. No one is jealous of this.

DP. You are right. It's more like ressentiment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The South has so many great virtues that deserve to be celebrated. Lots of jealous people here.

I guess if traitors and slavery are your thing...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The South has so many great virtues that deserve to be celebrated. Lots of jealous people here.

I guess if traitors and slavery are your thing...

Sometimes a pretty dress is just a pretty dress when it's made by a well paid tailor using a modern sewing machine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The South has so many great virtues that deserve to be celebrated. Lots of jealous people here.

Southern chauvinism blinds a lot of people. You guys are seriously obsessed with your alleged superiority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The South has so many great virtues that deserve to be celebrated. Lots of jealous people here.

Southern chauvinism blinds a lot of people. You guys are seriously obsessed with your alleged superiority.

Wasn’t it explained up the thread that black people had to sue to live in the same neighbourhood as the whites? So who is obsessed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The South has so many great virtues that deserve to be celebrated. Lots of jealous people here.

Southern chauvinism blinds a lot of people. You guys are seriously obsessed with your alleged superiority.

Wasn’t it explained up the thread that black people had to sue to live in the same neighbourhood as the whites? So who is obsessed?

Your reply is an excellent example of the southern chauvinism I was referencing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The South has so many great virtues that deserve to be celebrated. Lots of jealous people here.

Southern chauvinism blinds a lot of people. You guys are seriously obsessed with your alleged superiority.

Wasn’t it explained up the thread that black people had to sue to live in the same neighbourhood as the whites? So who is obsessed?

If you don't see the obvious superiority of your critics it's only because you are wearing your whalebone corset too tight. /s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The South has so many great virtues that deserve to be celebrated. Lots of jealous people here.

Find something better to celebrate than how great life was when you could own other people to do all the work. No one is jealous of this.

For instance, Derby Days. The same dresses and the same mint juleps but without the treason and slavery.