What ever happened to Crown HS?

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It sounds like it’s your fault to not being able to afford living across the street of the high school. And it doesn’t matter how you are going to suffer as long as we meet our diversity goal. Majority of Wootton area falls under the uncertainty map, not because they’re a lot closer to crown, simply just they’re more than two miles away to Wootton.

Suffer how, specifically?

Busing, that's how.

But they're already being bused.

Could be. But we'd need to go back to the boundary study for PP's neighborhood to see if it was assigned to it's current school to race-balamce a school or not. More likely than not it is not being bused. But it very well may be when the Crown study is conducted. My guess is that PP's neighborhood will be sent to Gaithersburg HS.

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

but but but .. neighborhood schools!

Perhaps you did t hear bit, according to the boundary analysis, 90+ % of MoCo supports neighborhood schools. Conversely, only a small % of MoCo said diversity was important to them.

which is why some of the Wootton neighborhoods would and should be zoned for Crown HS, because it's closer.

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It sounds like it’s your fault to not being able to afford living across the street of the high school. And it doesn’t matter how you are going to suffer as long as we meet our diversity goal. Majority of Wootton area falls under the uncertainty map, not because they’re a lot closer to crown, simply just they’re more than two miles away to Wootton.

Suffer how, specifically?

Busing, that's how.

But they're already being bused.

no no no.. if they are zoned for a whiter school, then it's "they take the bus".. but if they get zoned for a school that has too many black/brown kids, then it's "they are being bused".

Shade of the kids matters; words matter.

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

If you mean that triangle, I agree. We’re literally equal distance to both Wootton and crown. Seems we could be bused either way. That kind so of uncertainty is not what I would like to put my kids through.

I'm sorry, PP, but when there's a new high school, there's a boundary study to assign people to go to that high school. That's just how it works. It is possible that you will be reassigned from Wootton to Crown, it is possible that you will stay at Wootton. If "will we be assigned to Wootton or to Crown? we don't know!" ranks high on your list of worries, you're leading a fortunate life.

Or just someone who truly cares about their kids and already struggle to make ends meet by getting an old house in the desired school area but cannot afford losing 20% of it? Seriously, it won’t affect these who are rich and can live more west and south.

DP.. sure, you care about those things, but the BOE is not concerned about your property values, nor should they be.

your kid might take the bus 3 miles one way, then gets rezoned and now takes the bus 3 miles the other way. Someone is going to have uncertainty. That's what happens when a new school is built. If you didn't want any uncertainty, you should have bought literally across the street from the school. Walk zone literally across the street will never get rezoned. There are four factors in drawing boundaries. Diversity is one; geography/proximity is another. Walkers are not rezoned to be bus riders.

Or they might take a bus 6 miles in yet another direction if a school there needs more kids who look like PP's kids to balance the diversity of that school.

Sure, that might happen because diversity has always been one of the factors. That is not new.

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It sounds like it’s your fault to not being able to afford living across the street of the high school. And it doesn’t matter how you are going to suffer as long as we meet our diversity goal. Majority of Wootton area falls under the uncertainty map, not because they’re a lot closer to crown, simply just they’re more than two miles away to Wootton.

Suffer how, specifically?

Busing, that's how.

But they're already being bused.

Could be. But we'd need to go back to the boundary study for PP's neighborhood to see if it was assigned to it's current school to race-balamce a school or not. More likely than not it is not being bused. But it very well may be when the Crown study is conducted. My guess is that PP's neighborhood will be sent to Gaithersburg HS.

No, it's pretty clear they're already being bused. If that PP lived in the walk zone for Wootton HS, they would have said so.

[Anonymous]

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

but but but .. neighborhood schools!

Perhaps you did t hear bit, according to the boundary analysis, 90+ % of MoCo supports neighborhood schools. Conversely, only a small % of MoCo said diversity was important to them.

You keep posting this, but it's only 90% of the handful that self selected to take the survey.

You know, busybodies like you.

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

but but but .. neighborhood schools!

Perhaps you did t hear bit, according to the boundary analysis, 90+ % of MoCo supports neighborhood schools. Conversely, only a small % of MoCo said diversity was important to them.

You keep posting this, but it's only 90% of the handful that self selected to take the survey.

You know, busybodies like you.

Also schools like Wootton are hardly neighborhood schools or people who live near Einstein end up being bussed across county to a completely different neighborhood. There are so many incidents of kids being bussed today to schools which aren't really the closest to where they live I don't think this argument holds water.

[Anonymous]

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

but but but .. neighborhood schools!

Perhaps you did t hear bit, according to the boundary analysis, 90+ % of MoCo supports neighborhood schools. Conversely, only a small % of MoCo said diversity was important to them.

You keep posting this, but it's only 90% of the handful that self selected to take the survey.

You know, busybodies like you.

Also schools like Wootton are hardly neighborhood schools or people who live near Einstein end up being bussed across county to a completely different neighborhood. There are so many incidents of kids being bussed today to schools which aren't really the closest to where they live I don't think this argument holds water.

This was documented in the boundary study final report:

Excluding enrollment in magnet schools and choice programs, approximately 45% of students districtwide do not attend the school closest to them.

But keep in mind their findings from running different models:

While rezoning students to their closest schools reduces average distances to school, it negatively impacts assignment stability

After performing Step One, we see that at the elementary school level, rezoning students to their closest schools only decreases the average distance to school for all elementary students by 0.06 miles. At the middle and high school levels, rezoning all students to their closest schools reduces the average distance to school by 0.21 and 0.36 miles, respectively. Rezoning students to their closest schools requires significant reassignment of students: 18.6% of ES students, 25.0% of MS students, and 23.8% of HS students would need to be rezoned for students to attend their closest school.

and

Rezoning students to their closest school has a drastic negative impact on utilization rates

Rezoning elementary school students to their closest school in Step One widens the total range of utilization rates from 62% - 200% to 34% - 225%. This increases the total number of overutilized elementary schools from 20 to 38. The effect is similar at the middle and high school levels, with more schools becoming significantly under- and overutilized.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

but but but .. neighborhood schools!

Perhaps you did t hear bit, according to the boundary analysis, 90+ % of MoCo supports neighborhood schools. Conversely, only a small % of MoCo said diversity was important to them.

You keep posting this, but it's only 90% of the handful that self selected to take the survey.

You know, busybodies like you.

Also schools like Wootton are hardly neighborhood schools or people who live near Einstein end up being bussed across county to a completely different neighborhood. There are so many incidents of kids being bussed today to schools which aren't really the closest to where they live I don't think this argument holds water.

This was documented in the boundary study final report:

Excluding enrollment in magnet schools and choice programs, approximately 45% of students districtwide do not attend the school closest to them.

But keep in mind their findings from running different models:

While rezoning students to their closest schools reduces average distances to school, it negatively impacts assignment stability

After performing Step One, we see that at the elementary school level, rezoning students to their closest schools only decreases the average distance to school for all elementary students by 0.06 miles. At the middle and high school levels, rezoning all students to their closest schools reduces the average distance to school by 0.21 and 0.36 miles, respectively. Rezoning students to their closest schools requires significant reassignment of students: 18.6% of ES students, 25.0% of MS students, and 23.8% of HS students would need to be rezoned for students to attend their closest school.

and

Rezoning students to their closest school has a drastic negative impact on utilization rates

Rezoning elementary school students to their closest school in Step One widens the total range of utilization rates from 62% - 200% to 34% - 225%. This increases the total number of overutilized elementary schools from 20 to 38. The effect is similar at the middle and high school levels, with more schools becoming significantly under- and overutilized.

Schools are built where land is available. And MCPS never buys land; they get all their land through dedication from developers.

Even if we were to try to move them around so every school is at the geographic center of its attendance zone, it would work only until student populations shifted again, then it wouldn't work. Again.

Trying to get everyone to their closest school is a fools errand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

but but but .. neighborhood schools!

Perhaps you did t hear bit, according to the boundary analysis, 90+ % of MoCo supports neighborhood schools. Conversely, only a small % of MoCo said diversity was important to them.

You keep posting this, but it's only 90% of the handful that self selected to take the survey.

You know, busybodies like you.

Also schools like Wootton are hardly neighborhood schools or people who live near Einstein end up being bussed across county to a completely different neighborhood. There are so many incidents of kids being bussed today to schools which aren't really the closest to where they live I don't think this argument holds water.

This was documented in the boundary study final report:

Excluding enrollment in magnet schools and choice programs, approximately 45% of students districtwide do not attend the school closest to them.

But keep in mind their findings from running different models:

While rezoning students to their closest schools reduces average distances to school, it negatively impacts assignment stability

After performing Step One, we see that at the elementary school level, rezoning students to their closest schools only decreases the average distance to school for all elementary students by 0.06 miles. At the middle and high school levels, rezoning all students to their closest schools reduces the average distance to school by 0.21 and 0.36 miles, respectively. Rezoning students to their closest schools requires significant reassignment of students: 18.6% of ES students, 25.0% of MS students, and 23.8% of HS students would need to be rezoned for students to attend their closest school.

and

Rezoning students to their closest school has a drastic negative impact on utilization rates

Rezoning elementary school students to their closest school in Step One widens the total range of utilization rates from 62% - 200% to 34% - 225%. This increases the total number of overutilized elementary schools from 20 to 38. The effect is similar at the middle and high school levels, with more schools becoming significantly under- and overutilized.

Schools are built where land is available. And MCPS never buys land; they get all their land through dedication from developers.

Even if we were to try to move them around so every school is at the geographic center of its attendance zone, it would work only until student populations shifted again, then it wouldn't work. Again.

Trying to get everyone to their closest school is a fools errand.

I agree. It's not worth the upheaval especially if it results in even more underutilized and overutilized schools. They should look at all four factors, and make decisions based on the specific circumstances in each study.

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You keep posting this, but it's only 90% of the handful that self selected to take the survey.

Schools are built where land is available. And MCPS never buys land; they get all their land through dedication from developers.

Even if we were to try to move them around so every school is at the geographic center of its attendance zone, it would work only until student populations shifted again, then it wouldn't work. Again.

Trying to get everyone to their closest school is a fools errand.

More accurately: MCPS rarely buys land.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/md-court-of-special-appeals/1715919.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

but but but .. neighborhood schools!

Perhaps you did t hear bit, according to the boundary analysis, 90+ % of MoCo supports neighborhood schools. Conversely, only a small % of MoCo said diversity was important to them.

which is why some of the Wootton neighborhoods would and should be zoned for Crown HS, because it's closer.

Unfortunately the way the boundary policy was revised I. 2018, that don't matter as much as the skin color and family income. If a poor school "needs" UMC whites and Asians, that's where those kids will be bused.

[Anonymous]

Crown HS should be renamed either Olivia Colman high school or Claire Roy high school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Crown HS should be renamed either Olivia Colman high school or Claire Roy high school

As woke as MCPS is now they'll never name another school after a white person again. #equity #BLM

[Anonymous]

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

but but but .. neighborhood schools!

Perhaps you did t hear bit, according to the boundary analysis, 90+ % of MoCo supports neighborhood schools. Conversely, only a small % of MoCo said diversity was important to them.

which is why some of the Wootton neighborhoods would and should be zoned for Crown HS, because it's closer.

Unfortunately the way the boundary policy was revised I. 2018, that don't matter as much as the skin color and family income. If a poor school "needs" UMC whites and Asians, that's where those kids will be bused.

If the umc white/asians live equidistant or closer to the "poor" school, then they should take the bus there, and that's what it looks like for Crown HS. There are some Wootton neighborhoods that are closer or about equidistant to Crown site as Wootton.

Please look at the service map for wootton. Do you even know where Crown HS is being built? HINT: right on the border with Wootton boundary. That means the neighborhood school for that area is Crown HS, not Wootton.
Dufief and Stone Mill neighborhoods are closer to Crown than Wootton; Travilah is about equidistant. So, if you want neighborhood schools, those areas should be zoned for Crown.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234map.pdf

-umc white/asian family