What ever happened to Crown HS?

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

If you mean that triangle, I agree. We’re literally equal distance to both Wootton and crown. Seems we could be bused either way. That kind so of uncertainty is not what I would like to put my kids through.

I'm sorry, PP, but when there's a new high school, there's a boundary study to assign people to go to that high school. That's just how it works. It is possible that you will be reassigned from Wootton to Crown, it is possible that you will stay at Wootton. If "will we be assigned to Wootton or to Crown? we don't know!" ranks high on your list of worries, you're leading a fortunate life.

Or just someone who truly cares about their kids and already struggle to make ends meet by getting an old house in the desired school area but cannot afford losing 20% of it? Seriously, it won’t affect these who are rich and can live more west and south.

DP.. sure, you care about those things, but the BOE is not concerned about your property values, nor should they be.

your kid might take the bus 3 miles one way, then gets rezoned and now takes the bus 3 miles the other way. Someone is going to have uncertainty. That's what happens when a new school is built. If you didn't want any uncertainty, you should have bought literally across the street from the school. Walk zone literally across the street will never get rezoned. There are four factors in drawing boundaries. Diversity is one; geography/proximity is another. Walkers are not rezoned to be bus riders.

It sounds like it’s your fault to not being able to afford living across the street of the high school. And it doesn’t matter how you are going to suffer as long as we meet our diversity goal. Majority of Wootton area falls under the uncertainty map, not because they’re a lot closer to crown, simply just they’re more than two miles away to Wootton.

The majority of every cluster is outside that cluster's walk zone.

+1 Wootton is not special. Sorry. Yes, diversity has been one of the four factors for many many years. When they redraw the boundaries, diversity will be taken into consideration, as they have been doing for many many years.

If your kid takes a 5min bus ride to Wootton now, and then later, takes a 5min bus ride to Crown, that's not any different in terms of proximity/geography. If that also increases diversity in both schools, then two of the four factors have been met.

MCPS should have redrawn the boundaries years ago.

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I’m very curious what HS cluster Fallsgrove will end up in.

Fallsgrove currently belongs to RM but Wooton is much closer.

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Thank you for catching my typo. I'll repost.

Not sure if you are aware but in 2018 the BOE made diversity the most important factor in the boundary policy because "increasing diversity is the most important thing we can do for our students." Imagine being in education and actually thinking that. Crazy. In any case, this means that Wootton (and any other student subject to a boundary study) is in danger of being bused. In Wootton's case, kids could be sent to Gaithersburg, Rockville, RM, or Northwest to balance diversity.

Have you looked at the current boundaries?

Also, nobody has said anything about Rockville HS being included in the boundary study. Unlike Quince Orchard HS, which is planned to be included in the boundary study. Somebody as obsessed with boundary studies ought to know these basic facts.

Yes. The boundaries are wacky. But they're only going to get wackier when the BOE trots out options that bus a lot of kids all over mid-county to race-balance certain schools. MCPS could very well include Rockville or Gaithersburg 8n this study. If it lines up with Woodward being finished, we can expect a massive 10-12 cluster study where the board will bus a lot of kids.

So much misinformation here. No, once again, diversity is not "the most important factor." Wootton and Rockville are not adjacent clusters. Gaithersburg is already one of the five clusters to be included in the Crown study, because the Crown HS site is within the Gaithersburg cluster. Across the street is the Wootton cluster. Woodward is a completely separate project, and there will be a separate boundary study which would begin before the Crown study, as Woodward will open a year sooner. Woodward will relieve overcrowding at WJ and the DCC schools.

Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Because diversity has been one of the four factors for many many years; because Wootton's boundary, like many others, makes zero sense, and those who yell for "neighborhood schools" need only look at the cluster map to see that some of the neighborhoods zoned for Wootton aren't really in the "neighborhood" zone; they are actually closer to other HSs, including the Crown HS site. As a matter of fact, Crown HS is being built within the Wootton cluster. So, if you want true neighborhood schools, Wootton cluster boundary will need to be redrawn.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234map.pdf

It has been a factor for a while but back in 2018 a few members of the BOE claimed that makingnthe schools more diverse was the most important thing MCPS could do for the students so they altered the boundary policy to add language making diversity more prominent than the other 3 factors. While kids who love near the new Crown site should attend Crown, people should be prepared for other kids to be bused to schools that need white and Asian kids to balance diversity in those achools.

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Thank you for catching my typo. I'll repost.

Not sure if you are aware but in 2018 the BOE made diversity the most important factor in the boundary policy because "increasing diversity is the most important thing we can do for our students." Imagine being in education and actually thinking that. Crazy. In any case, this means that Wootton (and any other student subject to a boundary study) is in danger of being bused. In Wootton's case, kids could be sent to Gaithersburg, Rockville, RM, or Northwest to balance diversity.

Have you looked at the current boundaries?

Also, nobody has said anything about Rockville HS being included in the boundary study. Unlike Quince Orchard HS, which is planned to be included in the boundary study. Somebody as obsessed with boundary studies ought to know these basic facts.

Yes. The boundaries are wacky. But they're only going to get wackier when the BOE trots out options that bus a lot of kids all over mid-county to race-balance certain schools. MCPS could very well include Rockville or Gaithersburg 8n this study. If it lines up with Woodward being finished, we can expect a massive 10-12 cluster study where the board will bus a lot of kids.

So much misinformation here. No, once again, diversity is not "the most important factor." Wootton and Rockville are not adjacent clusters. Gaithersburg is already one of the five clusters to be included in the Crown study, because the Crown HS site is within the Gaithersburg cluster. Across the street is the Wootton cluster. Woodward is a completely separate project, and there will be a separate boundary study which would begin before the Crown study, as Woodward will open a year sooner. Woodward will relieve overcrowding at WJ and the DCC schools.

None of that is etched in stone. The BOE could decide to conduct a multi-cluster boundary study with 8 to 12 clusters encompassing Crown and Woodward. Or it could decide to do a district wide boundary study like they wanted to in 2020 with these two schools as cover and move a lot of boundaries. If they do that there are going to be tens of thousands of families who will be unhappy when their kids bused all around the county.

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

but but but .. neighborhood schools!

Perhaps you did t hear bit, according to the boundary analysis, 90+ % of MoCo supports neighborhood schools. Conversely, only a small % of MoCo said diversity was important to them.

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

If you mean that triangle, I agree. We’re literally equal distance to both Wootton and crown. Seems we could be bused either way. That kind so of uncertainty is not what I would like to put my kids through.

I've got even worse news for you. If your kids take a bus to school, a pro-busing element in the BOE thinks your kids are fair game to be bused to a school that needs more white and Asian kids. The ironic part is that you might not even be white or Asian but if your neighborhood predominantly is, away they'll go.

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

If you mean that triangle, I agree. We’re literally equal distance to both Wootton and crown. Seems we could be bused either way. That kind so of uncertainty is not what I would like to put my kids through.

I'm sorry, PP, but when there's a new high school, there's a boundary study to assign people to go to that high school. That's just how it works. It is possible that you will be reassigned from Wootton to Crown, it is possible that you will stay at Wootton. If "will we be assigned to Wootton or to Crown? we don't know!" ranks high on your list of worries, you're leading a fortunate life.

DP. And of course it is also possible you could be reassigned to QO, RM, Gaithersburg, or Northwest, since all these schools will be part of the study.

As long as they can improve the diversity in the schools with all the racial incidents this is a good thing.

You mean like the MS13 stabbing at Blair the other day? I agree.

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

If you mean that triangle, I agree. We’re literally equal distance to both Wootton and crown. Seems we could be bused either way. That kind so of uncertainty is not what I would like to put my kids through.

I'm sorry, PP, but when there's a new high school, there's a boundary study to assign people to go to that high school. That's just how it works. It is possible that you will be reassigned from Wootton to Crown, it is possible that you will stay at Wootton. If "will we be assigned to Wootton or to Crown? we don't know!" ranks high on your list of worries, you're leading a fortunate life.

Or just someone who truly cares about their kids and already struggle to make ends meet by getting an old house in the desired school area but cannot afford losing 20% of it? Seriously, it won’t affect these who are rich and can live more west and south.

DP.. sure, you care about those things, but the BOE is not concerned about your property values, nor should they be.

your kid might take the bus 3 miles one way, then gets rezoned and now takes the bus 3 miles the other way. Someone is going to have uncertainty. That's what happens when a new school is built. If you didn't want any uncertainty, you should have bought literally across the street from the school. Walk zone literally across the street will never get rezoned. There are four factors in drawing boundaries. Diversity is one; geography/proximity is another. Walkers are not rezoned to be bus riders.

Or they might take a bus 6 miles in yet another direction if a school there needs more kids who look like PP's kids to balance the diversity of that school.

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

If you mean that triangle, I agree. We’re literally equal distance to both Wootton and crown. Seems we could be bused either way. That kind so of uncertainty is not what I would like to put my kids through.

I'm sorry, PP, but when there's a new high school, there's a boundary study to assign people to go to that high school. That's just how it works. It is possible that you will be reassigned from Wootton to Crown, it is possible that you will stay at Wootton. If "will we be assigned to Wootton or to Crown? we don't know!" ranks high on your list of worries, you're leading a fortunate life.

Or just someone who truly cares about their kids and already struggle to make ends meet by getting an old house in the desired school area but cannot afford losing 20% of it? Seriously, it won’t affect these who are rich and can live more west and south.

DP.. sure, you care about those things, but the BOE is not concerned about your property values, nor should they be.

your kid might take the bus 3 miles one way, then gets rezoned and now takes the bus 3 miles the other way. Someone is going to have uncertainty. That's what happens when a new school is built. If you didn't want any uncertainty, you should have bought literally across the street from the school. Walk zone literally across the street will never get rezoned. There are four factors in drawing boundaries. Diversity is one; geography/proximity is another. Walkers are not rezoned to be bus riders.

It sounds like it’s your fault to not being able to afford living across the street of the high school. And it doesn’t matter how you are going to suffer as long as we meet our diversity goal. Majority of Wootton area falls under the uncertainty map, not because they’re a lot closer to crown, simply just they’re more than two miles away to Wootton.

The majority of every cluster is outside that cluster's walk zone.

Which means the majority of every cluster is fair game for busing. You're starting to understand now!

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It sounds like it’s your fault to not being able to afford living across the street of the high school. And it doesn’t matter how you are going to suffer as long as we meet our diversity goal. Majority of Wootton area falls under the uncertainty map, not because they’re a lot closer to crown, simply just they’re more than two miles away to Wootton.

Suffer how, specifically?

Busing, that's how.

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

If you mean that triangle, I agree. We’re literally equal distance to both Wootton and crown. Seems we could be bused either way. That kind so of uncertainty is not what I would like to put my kids through.

I'm sorry, PP, but when there's a new high school, there's a boundary study to assign people to go to that high school. That's just how it works. It is possible that you will be reassigned from Wootton to Crown, it is possible that you will stay at Wootton. If "will we be assigned to Wootton or to Crown? we don't know!" ranks high on your list of worries, you're leading a fortunate life.

Or just someone who truly cares about their kids and already struggle to make ends meet by getting an old house in the desired school area but cannot afford losing 20% of it? Seriously, it won’t affect these who are rich and can live more west and south.

DP.. sure, you care about those things, but the BOE is not concerned about your property values, nor should they be.

your kid might take the bus 3 miles one way, then gets rezoned and now takes the bus 3 miles the other way. Someone is going to have uncertainty. That's what happens when a new school is built. If you didn't want any uncertainty, you should have bought literally across the street from the school. Walk zone literally across the street will never get rezoned. There are four factors in drawing boundaries. Diversity is one; geography/proximity is another. Walkers are not rezoned to be bus riders.

It sounds like it’s your fault to not being able to afford living across the street of the high school. And it doesn’t matter how you are going to suffer as long as we meet our diversity goal. Majority of Wootton area falls under the uncertainty map, not because they’re a lot closer to crown, simply just they’re more than two miles away to Wootton.

The majority of every cluster is outside that cluster's walk zone.

+1 Wootton is not special. Sorry. Yes, diversity has been one of the four factors for many many years. When they redraw the boundaries, diversity will be taken into consideration, as they have been doing for many many years.

If your kid takes a 5min bus ride to Wootton now, and then later, takes a 5min bus ride to Crown, that's not any different in terms of proximity/geography. If that also increases diversity in both schools, then two of the four factors have been met.

MCPS should have redrawn the boundaries years ago.

PP should worry that they will bus her kids 20 minutes to Gaithersburg to whiten that place up.

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Not sure why relieving overcrowding has to mess up the boundary of a school that’s not crowded.

Students currently assigned to Wootton will be literally across the street from the new high school at Crown, but you think that Wootton shouldn't be included in the boundary study for the new high school at Crown? How about that.

If you mean that triangle, I agree. We’re literally equal distance to both Wootton and crown. Seems we could be bused either way. That kind so of uncertainty is not what I would like to put my kids through.

I'm sorry, PP, but when there's a new high school, there's a boundary study to assign people to go to that high school. That's just how it works. It is possible that you will be reassigned from Wootton to Crown, it is possible that you will stay at Wootton. If "will we be assigned to Wootton or to Crown? we don't know!" ranks high on your list of worries, you're leading a fortunate life.

Or just someone who truly cares about their kids and already struggle to make ends meet by getting an old house in the desired school area but cannot afford losing 20% of it? Seriously, it won’t affect these who are rich and can live more west and south.

DP.. sure, you care about those things, but the BOE is not concerned about your property values, nor should they be.

your kid might take the bus 3 miles one way, then gets rezoned and now takes the bus 3 miles the other way. Someone is going to have uncertainty. That's what happens when a new school is built. If you didn't want any uncertainty, you should have bought literally across the street from the school. Walk zone literally across the street will never get rezoned. There are four factors in drawing boundaries. Diversity is one; geography/proximity is another. Walkers are not rezoned to be bus riders.

It sounds like it’s your fault to not being able to afford living across the street of the high school. And it doesn’t matter how you are going to suffer as long as we meet our diversity goal. Majority of Wootton area falls under the uncertainty map, not because they’re a lot closer to crown, simply just they’re more than two miles away to Wootton.

The majority of every cluster is outside that cluster's walk zone.

Which means the majority of every cluster is fair game for busing. You're starting to understand now!

Yes. With so much uncertainty, it will impact the economy of this county and we’ll continue seeing it decline while NOVA is booming

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Anonymous wrote:I’m very curious what HS cluster Fallsgrove will end up in.

Fallsgrove currently belongs to RM but Wooton is much closer.

Crown would be a likely place for Fallsgrove.

[Anonymous]

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Thank you for catching my typo. I'll repost.

Not sure if you are aware but in 2018 the BOE made diversity the most important factor in the boundary policy because "increasing diversity is the most important thing we can do for our students." Imagine being in education and actually thinking that. Crazy. In any case, this means that Wootton (and any other student subject to a boundary study) is in danger of being bused. In Wootton's case, kids could be sent to Gaithersburg, Rockville, RM, or Northwest to balance diversity.

Have you looked at the current boundaries?

Also, nobody has said anything about Rockville HS being included in the boundary study. Unlike Quince Orchard HS, which is planned to be included in the boundary study. Somebody as obsessed with boundary studies ought to know these basic facts.

Yes. The boundaries are wacky. But they're only going to get wackier when the BOE trots out options that bus a lot of kids all over mid-county to race-balance certain schools. MCPS could very well include Rockville or Gaithersburg 8n this study. If it lines up with Woodward being finished, we can expect a massive 10-12 cluster study where the board will bus a lot of kids.

So much misinformation here. No, once again, diversity is not "the most important factor." Wootton and Rockville are not adjacent clusters. Gaithersburg is already one of the five clusters to be included in the Crown study, because the Crown HS site is within the Gaithersburg cluster. Across the street is the Wootton cluster. Woodward is a completely separate project, and there will be a separate boundary study which would begin before the Crown study, as Woodward will open a year sooner. Woodward will relieve overcrowding at WJ and the DCC schools.

None of that is etched in stone. The BOE could decide to conduct a multi-cluster boundary study with 8 to 12 clusters encompassing Crown and Woodward. Or it could decide to do a district wide boundary study like they wanted to in 2020 with these two schools as cover and move a lot of boundaries. If they do that there are going to be tens of thousands of families who will be unhappy when their kids bused all around the county.

Sure, we know, this is your recurring fever dream, but it is not reality. It would be so much better if you would actually read the new CIP, if you would listen to current board members and staffers speak at meetings happening in 2021, instead of obsessing about what former members said in 2018.

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It sounds like it’s your fault to not being able to afford living across the street of the high school. And it doesn’t matter how you are going to suffer as long as we meet our diversity goal. Majority of Wootton area falls under the uncertainty map, not because they’re a lot closer to crown, simply just they’re more than two miles away to Wootton.

Suffer how, specifically?

Busing, that's how.

But they're already being bused.