2021 USNews rankings

[Anonymous]

PP here. Also, you have to get a certain GPA in your major at the satellite campus to transfer it to main. No different than transferring from a CC to a state school in any state (except the satellite campuses are way pricier than community colleges).

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Anonymous wrote:Rankings are BS. People need to look beyond the prestige and ranking and find a college that truly is a good fit.

Agree, up to a point. I think we can all agree that the classroom dynamic is going to be different at, say, American and Stanford - I have no problem with someone saying that Stanford is going to be generally better for the people who can get in. But when you are comparing between a given school and one 20 spots higher or lower? Probably the higher-ranked school would provide a better education for most students, but there will be plenty for which it will be the reverse.

And the big difference is the student and what they do and take advantage of - I think many people would have made more of my spot at top 3 LAC; I got a good enough education but mostly floated through.

The real question is if you took someone who got accepted to Stanford and chose to attend American, how different would their life be? They are still Stanford smart. There was a study from years ago that did just this type of thing and the conclusion was there was no significant difference in outcomes.

There was a study from a few years ago that did exactly that. The conclusion was the smart people admitted to elite schools who went to college elsewhere did about the same as their peers who attended the elite schools.

From Stanford, the student will have many doors opened that might have otherwise remained closed. Stanford has already done the selectivity for future employers. From American, it’s more on the student to prove, beat out, competitors.

Perhaps, but what the study showed was that the real dependency was on the student being admitted to the elite school, not on whether or not the student attended the elite school in the end. In other words, the Stanford admit would excel and stand out at American and would find his or her way to opportunity.

Perhaps the difference between Stanford and American is too significant to contemplate. But if you substituted Notre Dame (ranked 19) and Boston College (ranked 35), does it really make much difference (assuming the same majors)?

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Anonymous wrote:Rankings are BS. People need to look beyond the prestige and ranking and find a college that truly is a good fit.

Agree, up to a point. I think we can all agree that the classroom dynamic is going to be different at, say, American and Stanford - I have no problem with someone saying that Stanford is going to be generally better for the people who can get in. But when you are comparing between a given school and one 20 spots higher or lower? Probably the higher-ranked school would provide a better education for most students, but there will be plenty for which it will be the reverse.

And the big difference is the student and what they do and take advantage of - I think many people would have made more of my spot at top 3 LAC; I got a good enough education but mostly floated through.

The real question is if you took someone who got accepted to Stanford and chose to attend American, how different would their life be? They are still Stanford smart. There was a study from years ago that did just this type of thing and the conclusion was there was no significant difference in outcomes.

There was a study from a few years ago that did exactly that. The conclusion was the smart people admitted to elite schools who went to college elsewhere did about the same as their peers who attended the elite schools.

From Stanford, the student will have many doors opened that might have otherwise remained closed. Stanford has already done the selectivity for future employers. From American, it’s more on the student to prove, beat out, competitors.

Perhaps, but what the study showed was that the real dependency was on the student being admitted to the elite school, not on whether or not the student attended the elite school in the end. In other words, the Stanford admit would excel and stand out at American and would find his or her way to opportunity.

Perhaps the difference between Stanford and American is too significant to contemplate. But if you substituted Notre Dame (ranked 19) and Boston College (ranked 35), does it really make much difference (assuming the same majors)?

How about UCLA at #20 and University of Texas at Austin at #42? I can't see any real difference and I've lived near both at different points in time. I'd actually say UT is stronger in Engineering and if you want to do business.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard
Yale, Stanford
MIT
rest of the Ivies
Duke
Chicago

Nobody really gives a damn about Hopkins, Northwestern, Vandy, etc. at the undergraduate level. Everyone knows status-obsessed families outside of the Ivy Plus schools were rejected from all of them. Not cream of the crop.

+1. Only striver mediocrities obsess over this crap. The elites will always be elite.

The undisputed elites:

Harvard, Stanford
Yale, MIT
Princeton

The rest are pretenders needing ED contracts to boost their yield.

Based on what?

Rice, Caltech, Ga tech, and Harvey Mudd are wayyyy better schools than Princeton, Yale or Harvard for things like engineering. Harvard and Yale are great for getting inflated grades in useless fields that are paths to become a consultant or lawyer who gets paid big bucks to outsource jobs or ruin the country later as a politician, hedge fund manager, corporate lobbyist, or some other sell out who ships jobs overseas.

So Princeton, Harvard and Yale produce the people who run our country and influences its fate, but you're down on them? Come back when the other school you listed start producing significant numbers of leaders.

And look how thing are going. Could we please try voting in some engineers? They could not do any worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard
Yale, Stanford
MIT
rest of the Ivies
Duke
Chicago

Nobody really gives a damn about Hopkins, Northwestern, Vandy, etc. at the undergraduate level. Everyone knows status-obsessed families outside of the Ivy Plus schools were rejected from all of them. Not cream of the crop.

+1. Only striver mediocrities obsess over this crap. The elites will always be elite.

The undisputed elites:

Harvard, Stanford
Yale, MIT
Princeton

The rest are pretenders needing ED contracts to boost their yield.

Based on what?

Rice, Caltech, Ga tech, and Harvey Mudd are wayyyy better schools than Princeton, Yale or Harvard for things like engineering. Harvard and Yale are great for getting inflated grades in useless fields that are paths to become a consultant or lawyer who gets paid big bucks to outsource jobs or ruin the country later as a politician, hedge fund manager, corporate lobbyist, or some other sell out who ships jobs overseas.

So Princeton, Harvard and Yale produce the people who run our country and influences its fate, but you're down on them? Come back when the other school you listed start producing significant numbers of leaders.

And look how thing are going. Could we please try voting in some engineers? They could not do any worse.

President Hoover was an engineer. The Great Depression worked out well for him. Jimmy Carter took Nuclear Engineering and couldn't pronounce it properly.

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Let's try some experienced competent engineers. ASAP.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard
Yale, Stanford
MIT
rest of the Ivies
Duke
Chicago

Nobody really gives a damn about Hopkins, Northwestern, Vandy, etc. at the undergraduate level. Everyone knows status-obsessed families outside of the Ivy Plus schools were rejected from all of them. Not cream of the crop.

+1. Only striver mediocrities obsess over this crap. The elites will always be elite.

The undisputed elites:

Harvard, Stanford
Yale, MIT
Princeton

The rest are pretenders needing ED contracts to boost their yield.

Based on what?

Rice, Caltech, Ga tech, and Harvey Mudd are wayyyy better schools than Princeton, Yale or Harvard for things like engineering. Harvard and Yale are great for getting inflated grades in useless fields that are paths to become a consultant or lawyer who gets paid big bucks to outsource jobs or ruin the country later as a politician, hedge fund manager, corporate lobbyist, or some other sell out who ships jobs overseas.

So Princeton, Harvard and Yale produce the people who run our country and influences its fate, but you're down on them? Come back when the other school you listed start producing significant numbers of leaders.

And look how thing are going. Could we please try voting in some engineers? They could not do any worse.

President Hoover was an engineer. The Great Depression worked out well for him. Jimmy Carter took Nuclear Engineering and couldn't pronounce it properly.

I 'll take Carter.

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Anonymous wrote:Rankings are BS. People need to look beyond the prestige and ranking and find a college that truly is a good fit.

Agree, up to a point. I think we can all agree that the classroom dynamic is going to be different at, say, American and Stanford - I have no problem with someone saying that Stanford is going to be generally better for the people who can get in. But when you are comparing between a given school and one 20 spots higher or lower? Probably the higher-ranked school would provide a better education for most students, but there will be plenty for which it will be the reverse.

And the big difference is the student and what they do and take advantage of - I think many people would have made more of my spot at top 3 LAC; I got a good enough education but mostly floated through.

The real question is if you took someone who got accepted to Stanford and chose to attend American, how different would their life be? They are still Stanford smart. There was a study from years ago that did just this type of thing and the conclusion was there was no significant difference in outcomes.

There was a study from a few years ago that did exactly that. The conclusion was the smart people admitted to elite schools who went to college elsewhere did about the same as their peers who attended the elite schools.

Says nothing about the quality of education received.

It says that the institution is less important than the individual.

That study is what happens when soft “scientists” mix academic studies with politics. PC

Excellent use of facts and data in your refutation. . .

The original citation by whoever posted was “a study shows...” For people who believe in these myths, no amount of data will be convincing.

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Yeah Carter was a great President.....

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Cater...#39 and # 46! He could finish hes 2nd term right after he turns 100!

FYI he graduated from the US naval academy.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's try some experienced competent engineers. ASAP.

Not sure an engineer is required. Let's just try people who didn't come from reality TV and twitter.

[Anonymous]

Debating for hours or getting a dopamine hit to see your run of the mill state school or regional private university rising up to 20-something or 50-something or whatever is so freaking sad. Anyone in real life who cites US News rankings tells me they're a pathetic insecure loser.

Elite is going to MIT, Ivy League or Stanford. Outside of that nobody cares, nobody is impressed. The colleges outside the top 10 are full of unimpressive mediocrities who will go onto the live boring unimpressive middle class nobody 9 to 5 lives. So again, what are you even bragging for?

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Anonymous wrote:Debating for hours or getting a dopamine hit to see your run of the mill state school or regional private university rising up to 20-something or 50-something or whatever is so freaking sad. Anyone in real life who cites US News rankings tells me they're a pathetic insecure loser.

Elite is going to MIT, Ivy League or Stanford. Outside of that nobody cares, nobody is impressed. The colleges outside the top 10 are full of unimpressive mediocrities who will go onto the live boring unimpressive middle class nobody 9 to 5 lives. So again, what are you even bragging for?

Does Cornell count?

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Anonymous wrote:Let's try some experienced competent engineers. ASAP.

Because engineers are so fantastic at understanding and solving complex social problems. Have you never seen how most engineers manage teams?

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Anonymous wrote:Debating for hours or getting a dopamine hit to see your run of the mill state school or regional private university rising up to 20-something or 50-something or whatever is so freaking sad. Anyone in real life who cites US News rankings tells me they're a pathetic insecure loser.

Elite is going to MIT, Ivy League or Stanford. Outside of that nobody cares, nobody is impressed. The colleges outside the top 10 are full of unimpressive mediocrities who will go onto the live boring unimpressive middle class nobody 9 to 5 lives. So again, what are you even bragging for?

Most MIT l, Ivy, Stanford grads go onto live unimpressive lives.