Yale discriminated against whites and Asians, per Justice Department

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot, for the life of me, understand why anyone even cares about their kid going to an ivy. There are smart people at every school, great professors at other Universities and amazing Developmental opportunities for college kids at schoolS other than certainly this HYP nonsense.

I have worked with people from the Ivys who are bright but can’t manage their grocery list. I have worked with people who went to state schools and were some if the smartest mentors I had.

The school that represents the most Fortune 500 CEOs is Texas A&M.

Like Asians, pick other schools and make them great.

I have suggested to my kids to not even bother applying. It’s Totally their choice, but they’ve got too many strikes against them. Their skin color, their religion, their college educated parents and their middle class background. Unless one of them brokers a peace deal between Israel and Palestine and even then, chances of them getting in are slim to none.

Seriously These schools are just not all that.

Boo boo the rich white college educated Christians really have it tough in this country. You guys are the biggest whiners around.

Yeah, I’m so hurt by you, I need my safe space. I dgaf where my kids go to school. The only thing I’m whining about is that they don’t end up at a school with a$$hole$ like you.

And if the above Israel/Palestine reference didn’t clue u in on my religion, youre dumber than you think.

[Anonymous]

I’d imagine that 55 to 70 percent of liberal whites in elite suburbs with kids who will be reaching college age are covertly rooting for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot, for the life of me, understand why anyone even cares about their kid going to an ivy. There are smart people at every school, great professors at other Universities and amazing Developmental opportunities for college kids at schoolS other than certainly this HYP nonsense.

I have worked with people from the Ivys who are bright but can’t manage their grocery list. I have worked with people who went to state schools and were some if the smartest mentors I had.

The school that represents the most Fortune 500 CEOs is Texas A&M.

Like Asians, pick other schools and make them great.

I have suggested to my kids to not even bother applying. It’s Totally their choice, but they’ve got too many strikes against them. Their skin color, their religion, their college educated parents and their middle class background. Unless one of them brokers a peace deal between Israel and Palestine and even then, chances of them getting in are slim to none.

Seriously These schools are just not all that.

I guess those Jewish people back then should've done the same thing rather than fight discriminaton.

I'm Asian American, and I went to a B rated state school, make six figures. But, the issue is not about whether one can be successful without a degree from an elite insitution. It's about discrimination.

I don't care if my DCs go to an Ivy. I would be happy with UMD. But, discrimination is not ok.

However, I do think that there is value in a diverse student body, but again, I don't think to achieve this that we should accept discrmination.

I'm a PP who stated that giving a leg up for lower income people, irrespective of skin color, is good approach. But, if a black student from a well to do family whose parents have law degrees have an easier time getting in than a student whose skin color is lighter and whose parents have just a lowly bachelors from a no-name univ., then that would be discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the whites who are so against the "holistic approach" are going to be in for a rude awakening if colleges actually get rid of it. Asians will dominate all Ivies. In this area, TJ is a prime example of what happens when admissions in academics is based solely on merit. While whites vast outnumber Asians in FCPS, TJ is almost seventy percent Asian. Also look at California at the college level. Be careful what you wish for.

I have no issue with “holistic” admissions in theory. In practice, it is used to discriminate against whites and Asians, particularly in jurisdictions that have outlawed explicit racial discrimination in admissions. Just as it was used to discriminate against Jews many decades ago. Schools cannot be trusted on this point, so IMO all once can do is maximize the use of objective criteria. It’s a second-best solution, no doubt.

+1

It's amazing how some people don't get how "diversity and inclusion" and "holistic" admission is nothing more than a rebranding of quotas because quotas became unpopular. It was discrimination when they did it to the jews, and today it is still discrimination. These people are supporting a racist policy, plain and simple. If you truly want to level the playing field, quit picking favorites based on race and start providing resources for test prep for kids based on income.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot, for the life of me, understand why anyone even cares about their kid going to an ivy. There are smart people at every school, great professors at other Universities and amazing Developmental opportunities for college kids at schoolS other than certainly this HYP nonsense.

I have worked with people from the Ivys who are bright but can’t manage their grocery list. I have worked with people who went to state schools and were some if the smartest mentors I had.

The school that represents the most Fortune 500 CEOs is Texas A&M.

Like Asians, pick other schools and make them great.

I have suggested to my kids to not even bother applying. It’s Totally their choice, but they’ve got too many strikes against them. Their skin color, their religion, their college educated parents and their middle class background. Unless one of them brokers a peace deal between Israel and Palestine and even then, chances of them getting in are slim to none.

Seriously These schools are just not all that.

I guess those Jewish people back then should've done the same thing rather than fight discriminaton.

I'm Asian American, and I went to a B rated state school, make six figures. But, the issue is not about whether one can be successful without a degree from an elite insitution. It's about discrimination.

I don't care if my DCs go to an Ivy. I would be happy with UMD. But, discrimination is not ok.

However, I do think that there is value in a diverse student body, but again, I don't think to achieve this that we should accept discrmination.

I'm a PP who stated that giving a leg up for lower income people, irrespective of skin color, is good approach. But, if a black student from a well to do family whose parents have law degrees have an easier time getting in than a student whose skin color is lighter and whose parents have just a lowly bachelors from a no-name univ., then that would be discrimination.

I totally agree with you, however I don’t think that this can be legislated away. HYP will always use race as an attribute for admission whether it’s viewed as discriminatory or not. They will never be CalTech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d imagine that 55 to 70 percent of liberal whites in elite suburbs with kids who will be reaching college age are covertly rooting for this.

Yep, I’d be curious to see the numbers for white non-legacy, non-atheletes vs Asian applicants, I’m guessing they’re similar

[Anonymous]

Back in 1985 my college tuition was only $4,200
A year, our basketball team for big games were getting one million a game plus 20,000 a game ticket sales.

The Asians with academic scholarships were free riding on our mostly black team.

So who deserved to be there more?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot, for the life of me, understand why anyone even cares about their kid going to an ivy. There are smart people at every school, great professors at other Universities and amazing Developmental opportunities for college kids at schoolS other than certainly this HYP nonsense.

I have worked with people from the Ivys who are bright but can’t manage their grocery list. I have worked with people who went to state schools and were some if the smartest mentors I had.

The school that represents the most Fortune 500 CEOs is Texas A&M.

Like Asians, pick other schools and make them great.

I have suggested to my kids to not even bother applying. It’s Totally their choice, but they’ve got too many strikes against them. Their skin color, their religion, their college educated parents and their middle class background. Unless one of them brokers a peace deal between Israel and Palestine and even then, chances of them getting in are slim to none.

Seriously These schools are just not all that.

Boo boo the rich white college educated Christians really have it tough in this country. You guys are the biggest whiners around.

Yeah, I’m so hurt by you, I need my safe space. I dgaf where my kids go to school. The only thing I’m whining about is that they don’t end up at a school with a$$hole$ like you.

And if the above Israel/Palestine reference didn’t clue u in on my religion, youre dumber than you think.

Yeah your reference was a religious one because Jimmy Carter was Jewish. Only Jewish Americans work in the state department.

If you really dgaf where your kids go to school you wouldn’t be teaching them to make excuses and act like victims and you’d be glad they were going to school with assholes like me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back in 1985 my college tuition was only $4,200
A year, our basketball team for big games were getting one million a game plus 20,000 a game ticket sales.

The Asians with academic scholarships were free riding on our mostly black team.

So who deserved to be there more?

What school?

[Anonymous]

I’m asian and I don’t have a huge problem with affirmative action. My issue is that ivys and other schools are very lazy about how they apply it. Asians are not a monolithic block. Poor Vietnamese or Bangladeshi immigrant kids should not be held to the same crazy high standard that rich Chinese and Indian kids raised by tiger moms are. Apologies for the broad stereotyping but you get the idea. Same with African Americans. An AA kid from Anacostia, DC deserves help from the AA policy way more than a wealthy AA kid who went to GDS or Sidwell K-12. The ivys are lazy and disingenuous and are happy to take wealthy Asian and AA kids who don’t differ much from their white counterparts but enable the schools to brag about their diversity. First gen and low income minority kids are not benefiting from affirmative action to the extent that they should.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m asian and I don’t have a huge problem with affirmative action. My issue is that ivys and other schools are very lazy about how they apply it. Asians are not a monolithic block. Poor Vietnamese or Bangladeshi immigrant kids should not be held to the same crazy high standard that rich Chinese and Indian kids raised by tiger moms are. Apologies for the broad stereotyping but you get the idea. Same with African Americans. An AA kid from Anacostia, DC deserves help from the AA policy way more than a wealthy AA kid who went to GDS or Sidwell K-12. The ivys are lazy and disingenuous and are happy to take wealthy Asian and AA kids who don’t differ much from their white counterparts but enable the schools to brag about their diversity. First gen and low income minority kids are not benefiting from affirmative action to the extent that they should.

I actually agree with you. I'm Black and went to an Ivy League school in the 80s-90s. Most of my Black peers (probably 75%) came from high SES backgrounds, had two-parent households, and went to great public and private high schools. Some were even legacies. The same goes with corporations. Most of the top corporations recruit the majority of their Black candidates from top schools and when they recruit at the HBCUs, they pick from the very top of the graduating class. I've always felt that this was a flaw in the system even though I benefitted greatly from it....but I still get harassed by the police, watched while I shop, and all the other sh*t Black people deal with, so I'm not giving anything back

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot, for the life of me, understand why anyone even cares about their kid going to an ivy. There are smart people at every school, great professors at other Universities and amazing Developmental opportunities for college kids at schoolS other than certainly this HYP nonsense.

I have worked with people from the Ivys who are bright but can’t manage their grocery list. I have worked with people who went to state schools and were some if the smartest mentors I had.

The school that represents the most Fortune 500 CEOs is Texas A&M.

Like Asians, pick other schools and make them great.

I have suggested to my kids to not even bother applying. It’s Totally their choice, but they’ve got too many strikes against them. Their skin color, their religion, their college educated parents and their middle class background. Unless one of them brokers a peace deal between Israel and Palestine and even then, chances of them getting in are slim to none.

Seriously These schools are just not all that.

Boo boo the rich white college educated Christians really have it tough in this country. You guys are the biggest whiners around.

Yeah, I’m so hurt by you, I need my safe space. I dgaf where my kids go to school. The only thing I’m whining about is that they don’t end up at a school with a$$hole$ like you.

And if the above Israel/Palestine reference didn’t clue u in on my religion, youre dumber than you think.

Yeah your reference was a religious one because Jimmy Carter was Jewish. Only Jewish Americans work in the state department.

If you really dgaf where your kids go to school you wouldn’t be teaching them to make excuses and act like victims and you’d be glad they were going to school with assholes like me.

Nah, they are not victims, they will be just fine. Its their choice if they want to apply to any Ivys. I’m glad we both agree that you’re an asshole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot, for the life of me, understand why anyone even cares about their kid going to an ivy. There are smart people at every school, great professors at other Universities and amazing Developmental opportunities for college kids at schoolS other than certainly this HYP nonsense.

I have worked with people from the Ivys who are bright but can’t manage their grocery list. I have worked with people who went to state schools and were some if the smartest mentors I had.

The school that represents the most Fortune 500 CEOs is Texas A&M.

Like Asians, pick other schools and make them great.

I have suggested to my kids to not even bother applying. It’s Totally their choice, but they’ve got too many strikes against them. Their skin color, their religion, their college educated parents and their middle class background. Unless one of them brokers a peace deal between Israel and Palestine and even then, chances of them getting in are slim to none.

Seriously These schools are just not all that.

I guess those Jewish people back then should've done the same thing rather than fight discriminaton.

I'm Asian American, and I went to a B rated state school, make six figures. But, the issue is not about whether one can be successful without a degree from an elite insitution. It's about discrimination.

I don't care if my DCs go to an Ivy. I would be happy with UMD. But, discrimination is not ok.

However, I do think that there is value in a diverse student body, but again, I don't think to achieve this that we should accept discrmination.

I'm a PP who stated that giving a leg up for lower income people, irrespective of skin color, is good approach. But, if a black student from a well to do family whose parents have law degrees have an easier time getting in than a student whose skin color is lighter and whose parents have just a lowly bachelors from a no-name univ., then that would be discrimination.

Discrimination based on what, exactly? You have said nothing about the personal attributes of your hypothetical individual students. But you have somehow managed to conclude that not accepting the “lighter “ kid would be discrimination. Note that you say absolutely nothing about the “well to do” “lighter” students who are accepted. Apparently “discrimination “ is only an issue for you when black students from well to do families are admitted while “lighter” kids from less well to do families are not — again, irrespective of the personal qualities of the individual kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the whites who are so against the "holistic approach" are going to be in for a rude awakening if colleges actually get rid of it. Asians will dominate all Ivies. In this area, TJ is a prime example of what happens when admissions in academics is based solely on merit. While whites vast outnumber Asians in FCPS, TJ is almost seventy percent Asian. Also look at California at the college level. Be careful what you wish for.

I have no issue with “holistic” admissions in theory. In practice, it is used to discriminate against whites and Asians, particularly in jurisdictions that have outlawed explicit racial discrimination in admissions. Just as it was used to discriminate against Jews many decades ago. Schools cannot be trusted on this point, so IMO all once can do is maximize the use of objective criteria. It’s a second-best solution, no doubt.

+1

It's amazing how some people don't get how "diversity and inclusion" and "holistic" admission is nothing more than a rebranding of quotas because quotas became unpopular. It was discrimination when they did it to the jews, and today it is still discrimination. These people are supporting a racist policy, plain and simple. If you truly want to level the playing field, quit picking favorites based on race and start providing resources for test prep for kids based on income.

It’s amazing how many people throw around words like “quotas”. Just because you say so — it’s “ rebranding”? Lol cute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m asian and I don’t have a huge problem with affirmative action. My issue is that ivys and other schools are very lazy about how they apply it. Asians are not a monolithic block. Poor Vietnamese or Bangladeshi immigrant kids should not be held to the same crazy high standard that rich Chinese and Indian kids raised by tiger moms are. Apologies for the broad stereotyping but you get the idea. Same with African Americans. An AA kid from Anacostia, DC deserves help from the AA policy way more than a wealthy AA kid who went to GDS or Sidwell K-12. The ivys are lazy and disingenuous and are happy to take wealthy Asian and AA kids who don’t differ much from their white counterparts but enable the schools to brag about their diversity. First gen and low income minority kids are not benefiting from affirmative action to the extent that they should.

That actually is pretty much how it works — or at least that’s the goal. One problem though, is finding and supporting first gen kids who can hold their own — despite lacking many of the educational advantages of the more privileged kids — including the counseling that might direct them to applying to an Ivy in the first place.