Jen Hatmaker

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Anonymous wrote:One of his latest posts- the picture with the horse was tagged on his twitter account with the account @onsiteworkshops located in Tennessee. So maybe he’s off at some sort of “rehab”
Here is their website:
https://www.onsiteworkshops.com/

This sounds more like emotional crisis counseling. Jen wouldn't bail if he had experienced trauma.

This guy freaks me out: https://courses.onsiteworkshops.com/learn-more

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of his latest posts- the picture with the horse was tagged on his twitter account with the account @onsiteworkshops located in Tennessee. So maybe he’s off at some sort of “rehab”
Here is their website:
https://www.onsiteworkshops.com/

Someone responded to this tweet by asking if he was promoting this place while going through a divorce. He responded with “Working on emotional and mental health? Recovery? Mindfulness? Yes. I am.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of his latest posts- the picture with the horse was tagged on his twitter account with the account @onsiteworkshops located in Tennessee. So maybe he’s off at some sort of “rehab”
Here is their website:
https://www.onsiteworkshops.com/

Someone responded to this tweet by asking if he was promoting this place while going through a divorce. He responded with “Working on emotional and mental health? Recovery? Mindfulness? Yes. I am.”

If he is paid to promote it, he needs to disclose.

[Anonymous]

Looks like it's the battle of the IGs to get sympathy. Jen posted again. One thing she is "saving her life" is her "babies"...her teens. Even for teenagers this is unhealthy stuff and it's questionable boundaries. She is "parentifying" them. It is not their job to "save" her life or to even be her emotional support.It is their job to be teenagers enjoying the love of both parents and dealing with their own challenges.Jen's emotional support needs to come from friends and a therapist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like it's the battle of the IGs to get sympathy. Jen posted again. One thing she is "saving her life" is her "babies"...her teens. Even for teenagers this is unhealthy stuff and it's questionable boundaries. She is "parentifying" them. It is not their job to "save" her life or to even be her emotional support.It is their job to be teenagers enjoying the love of both parents and dealing with their own challenges.Jen's emotional support needs to come from friends and a therapist.

Exactly. My sympathy for both of them is wearing thin.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like it's the battle of the IGs to get sympathy. Jen posted again. One thing she is "saving her life" is her "babies"...her teens. Even for teenagers this is unhealthy stuff and it's questionable boundaries. She is "parentifying" them. It is not their job to "save" her life or to even be her emotional support.It is their job to be teenagers enjoying the love of both parents and dealing with their own challenges.Jen's emotional support needs to come from friends and a therapist.

Exactly. My sympathy for both of them is wearing thin.

If Brandon is in some sort of treatment program (and still connected to the internet it seems) it feels pretty shitty to flaunt your life-saving babies in his face.

[Anonymous]

Onsite's programs range from a few days to a few months and cover everything from general life improvement to more serious drug/alcohol rehab. I went for a week after learning of my husband's affair. My husband did the same to work on himself. You are also NOT allowed to have internet access while you are in their programs (though some people do sneak their phones in, but I'd imagine not BH). My guess is that he did a short stint in one of the programs (whether general life/trauma/grief/sexual intimacy/equine therapy) and is back in Austin. In one Insta story he had the dog, so I'd guess Austin.

I truly doubt that Jen would be surprised and divorce him over a general life issue. Divorce possible, not the surprise. I personally think he had an affair/sexual issues and quarantine either brought that or more truth to light, or brought any reconciliation attempts to a halt. I'd guess the former though, because "surprise" only happens when something was unexpected. If he just decided he was done, I truly don't think the kids would have had such a negative reaction. Maybe, but I don't think so. My kids KNOW about their dad having an affair, and while they are angry with him still three years later, they haven't cut him off. That might be because we stayed together, and are working through the destruction, but they didn't turn on him immediately. But I can imagine if he'd left us, they would have had a harder time forgiving him.

Finding out about an affair is shocking, devastating and changes you forever. BUT, a huge percentage of people (men and women) stay in marriages where infidelity and sex addiction exist. I truly don't think Jen wanted a divorce and that it was Brandon's choice to separate. Which is why the kids are probably on her side. And very pissed at Dad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t her husband the pastor of a church? So it whatever happened was criminal, they for sure it’s going to come out soon.

Her husband is still on the board but I don’t think he actually preaches much if at all. He’s too busy getting tattoos and pretending to be hard like a biker wanna be. Personally, they put in the work they needed to get to where they wanted to be; it was a means to an end. They never really cared for much beyond their little clique of people. I went to their church for about 3 years and he never once tried to have a meaningful conversation with me or my family. If you were on of the 6-7 families who were “in”, you were part of the cool kids club. There were so many other really nice and sincere people who did a ton of work for the community and church. It feels like we weren’t good enough to be in their presence at times. Oh sure, they put on a facade of love and grace but it didn’t feel genuine with them. It was kinda like high-school and there were the popular kids and everyone else.

Experienced the same. I went to ANC for several years, the whole bunch was a SUPER clique. It was a tiny congregation (by big Texas standards) but if you weren't in the cool girl club, it felt you were one of 1000s instead of a couple hundred. I left because it was all so fake - they were all self-aggrandizing, over the top characters in a narrative pushing their agenda. Nothing about his bad behavior or her (over?) reactions would shock me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like it's the battle of the IGs to get sympathy. Jen posted again. One thing she is "saving her life" is her "babies"...her teens. Even for teenagers this is unhealthy stuff and it's questionable boundaries. She is "parentifying" them. It is not their job to "save" her life or to even be her emotional support.It is their job to be teenagers enjoying the love of both parents and dealing with their own challenges.Jen's emotional support needs to come from friends and a therapist.

At this point, this social media/reality TV family implosion cycle should be in the DSM-5. Dooce, Gosselins, Glennon Doyle, Osbornes, Kardashians, Hatmakers. They are all different flavors of the same ice cream cone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Onsite's programs range from a few days to a few months and cover everything from general life improvement to more serious drug/alcohol rehab. I went for a week after learning of my husband's affair. My husband did the same to work on himself. You are also NOT allowed to have internet access while you are in their programs (though some people do sneak their phones in, but I'd imagine not BH). My guess is that he did a short stint in one of the programs (whether general life/trauma/grief/sexual intimacy/equine therapy) and is back in Austin. In one Insta story he had the dog, so I'd guess Austin.

I truly doubt that Jen would be surprised and divorce him over a general life issue. Divorce possible, not the surprise. I personally think he had an affair/sexual issues and quarantine either brought that or more truth to light, or brought any reconciliation attempts to a halt. I'd guess the former though, because "surprise" only happens when something was unexpected. If he just decided he was done, I truly don't think the kids would have had such a negative reaction. Maybe, but I don't think so. My kids KNOW about their dad having an affair, and while they are angry with him still three years later, they haven't cut him off. That might be because we stayed together, and are working through the destruction, but they didn't turn on him immediately. But I can imagine if he'd left us, they would have had a harder time forgiving him.

Finding out about an affair is shocking, devastating and changes you forever. BUT, a huge percentage of people (men and women) stay in marriages where infidelity and sex addiction exist. I truly don't think Jen wanted a divorce and that it was Brandon's choice to separate. Which is why the kids are probably on her side. And very pissed at Dad.

This makes the most sense of any other guesses posted here. Kudos to you.

[Anonymous]

Their church community must either not know what happened or be scared into silence somehow, because those people are blabbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Their church community must either not know what happened or be scared into silence somehow, because those people are blabbers.

When/if people are big donors you are careful. You don't want to stop the money flow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Their church community must either not know what happened or be scared into silence somehow, because those people are blabbers.

When/if people are big donors you are careful. You don't want to stop the money flow.

No one at church is saying anything because they don't want to speculate and look like they aren't one of the cool kids in the know. It's better to be silent and act like you're being respectful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Their church community must either not know what happened or be scared into silence somehow, because those people are blabbers.

When/if people are big donors you are careful. You don't want to stop the money flow.

I think they’re so removed from the day to day operations of the church that it doesn’t matter too much. When I went to the church, it was small— at the time it had grown to about 700-800 partners I think. Probably about 300-400 regular attendees if that many. There’s been a new regime in place for some time. The only true hold over from the original group is Tray P. He does the financials and operations, and preaches occasionally. I believe. Lamar S.has been there a while as worship leader. But, I really think there has been a lot of turnover in the congregation that don’t really know BH or JH. It looks like they’ve only made guest appearances for some time. Even as I was winding down my time there several years ago, the leadership and congregation had changed dramatically. They must have a few deep donors however. Most of the families who went there weren’t upper middle class. There were a lot of good hardworking folks who went there but, as a gross generalization, it wasn’t an affluent congregation (myself included). Lots of young families and good people who wanted to serve their community, were the majority, I’d say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Their church community must either not know what happened or be scared into silence somehow, because those people are blabbers.

When/if people are big donors you are careful. You don't want to stop the money flow.

I think they’re so removed from the day to day operations of the church that it doesn’t matter too much. When I went to the church, it was small— at the time it had grown to about 700-800 partners I think. Probably about 300-400 regular attendees if that many. There’s been a new regime in place for some time. The only true hold over from the original group is Tray P. He does the financials and operations, and preaches occasionally. I believe. Lamar S.has been there a while as worship leader. But, I really think there has been a lot of turnover in the congregation that don’t really know BH or JH. It looks like they’ve only made guest appearances for some time. Even as I was winding down my time there several years ago, the leadership and congregation had changed dramatically. They must have a few deep donors however. Most of the families who went there weren’t upper middle class. There were a lot of good hardworking folks who went there but, as a gross generalization, it wasn’t an affluent congregation (myself included). Lots of young families and good people who wanted to serve their community, were the majority, I’d say.

If it wasn't for the free building for their church, there is no way the current local support could keep them afloat. Most of the $ and enthusiasm is coming from out of town.