Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ThE GS students have their own faculty and their own classes. I have never heard of a class int he College or SEAS where 'up to 1/3 of the class is GS students.' Complete favbricated nonsense. My classes and all that I saw were 100% College students in the core courses, and in some other courses maybe a few GS students.

Most GS students took their classes with the GS faculty.

False and duplicitous remarks by someone who knows nothing about the stuation. Envy maybe ?

Well then Columbia Universuty is lying. Take it up with them...

[Anonymous]

FACT : 18-22 year olds are at the College, and these students who are direct from high school cannot apply to the School of General Studies. Conversely, 21 year olds and older cannot apply to Columbia College or to SEAS.”

...and yet they taking classes together.

[Anonymous]

Yes, I most certainly did attend.

Look at a map of the University you will see that the School of General Studies has its on building and its own faculty. Of course courses are open to syudents in different programs, but that does not mean that the GS students are merged or flood or have high percentages with the courses taken by students at the College or SEAS.

You sound very ignorant quite frankly of the facts. Universities do not bar members from different programs within the university from attending many classes. Of course the catalogue writes about integration of classes, but that never happens the way you are magnifying.

[Anonymous]

Harvard alum here. Def Harvard.

[Anonymous]

“ What is your point ? WHY are you deliberately muddying the facts ? USNWR can make a separate entry for General Studies and its rankings with admisssions. USNWR is reporting about Columbia College and SEAS. Everyone understand this - except apparently you.”

My point is obvious. There are 9,000 undergraduates listed at Columbia. 3000 of them weren’t matriculated out of high school. Do you honestly believe every school plays this game. It’s all about giving a false impression of super eliteness. Columbia can teach the master class in that regard.

[Anonymous]

General Studies gives a different degree to its graduates from the College.

The College diploma is in Latin, and says Columbia College, signed by the Dean of Columbia College

The GS diploma is in English and says signed by the Dean of the 'Faculty of General Studies'.

Two separate institutions in one university, and two separate degrees. A few classes are mixed to limited extent, but not many. All to the benfit of the college undergaduates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you sure 30,000 students are taking classes each term with Harvard College students., SGS students at Columbia are!

I was never smart enough to go to Harvard or Columbia. I have no fight in the game. You sound too invested in this, likely a hard rejectee from Columbia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:General Studies gives a different degree to its graduates from the College.

The College diploma is in Latin, and says Columbia College, signed by the Dean of Columbia College

The GS diploma is in English and says signed by the Dean of the 'Faculty of General Studies'.

Two separate institutions in one university, and two separate degrees. A few classes are mixed to limited extent, but not many. All to the benfit of the college undergaduates.

So Columbia is only made up of two undergraduate schools. The 3,000 at SGS who sit alongside you, study with you, ask questions, etc. are getting degrees from another school not Columbia University. They must be, since their large numbers aren’t represented in in student/faculty ratios (along with graduate students) and admittance rates. All schools take transfer students, but I doubt many have 1/3 of their undergraduates matriculated in such a manner. Certainly not at the elite level .

[Anonymous]

Were you rejected from Columbia ? You sound bitter ?

There is no manipulation game except seemingly in your own head. 26 year olds are not 18 year olds, and these are separate institutions with separage admissions.

Further, General Studies students are not eligible for the CC/SEAS Room Selection process. However, many GS students receive housing through University Apartment Housing.

[Anonymous]

I was never rejected at Columbia. I never applied. I just am disgusted by the manipulation at certain schools to appear even more elite than they already are. Columbia is indeed elite. It’s an excellent school no doubt. It’s just not HYPSM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:General Studies gives a different degree to its graduates from the College.

The College diploma is in Latin, and says Columbia College, signed by the Dean of Columbia College

The GS diploma is in English and says signed by the Dean of the 'Faculty of General Studies'.

Two separate institutions in one university, and two separate degrees. A few classes are mixed to limited extent, but not many. All to the benfit of the college undergaduates.

So Columbia is only made up of two undergraduate schools. The 3,000 at SGS who sit alongside you, study with you, ask questions, etc. are getting degrees from another school not Columbia University. They must be, since their large numbers aren’t represented in in student/faculty ratios (along with graduate students) and admittance rates. All schools take transfer students, but I doubt many have 1/3 of their undergraduates matriculated in such a manner. Certainly not at the elite level .

You are forgetting Harvard has 30,000 extension students. Not sure what your beef is. Gotta be a Columbia reject.

[Anonymous]

It’s so funny, Columbia partisans seem to think that anyone who questions their school of choice up was rejected. It’s so typical of the DMV mentality.

[Anonymous]

You are forgetting Harvard has 30,000 extension students. Not sure what your beef is.“

So you are saying that Columbia’s SGS is an extension program. Ok fine, I’ll go along with that. I don’t think the graduates of the SGS would be agreement with you.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, not a partisan. I just look at the facts and evidence, as a lawyer should. Mxing classes to an extent does not change the fact of separate admissions, separate age criteria, separate statistics or separate buildings and separate diplomas.

Are the students at the College as good as at HYPSM, if tat is what you are asking ? Yes, probably to definitely. Some are the same , some are better, some are perhaps a little less, but all within the same band and par to make indistinguishable. Are th facilities the same ? Some yes like the libraries, some no like the gym. could it use more campus space ? Of course it could, but NYC real estate is among the most costly in the world.

It provides a brilliant academic and cultural experience which still lasts me for over forty years. That is all I care about.

[Anonymous]

Hello. Thank you for your comments.

In any event, I would go to Columbia as an undergraduate over all the other Ivy League Colleges except Harvard, Yale and Princeton; and Stanford.

It is better in the detailed programs it offers for rigorous study as an undergraduate than by far most places.

Harvard is too major a name to pass up, but after that and Yale and Prinecton, Columbia seems next as a choice.