Harvard or Columbia - Where would you go?

Anonymous wrote:https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2022/03/07/an-investigation-of-the-facts-behind-columbias-u-s-news-ranking/

Columbia has been exposed! Go to Harvard!

“The picture coming into focus is that of a two-tier university, which educates, side by side in the same classrooms, two large and quite distinct groups of undergraduates: non-transfer students and transfer students. The former students lead privileged lives: they are very selectively chosen, boast top-notch test scores, tend to hail from the wealthier ranks of society, receive ample financial aid, and turn out very successfully as measured by graduation rates. The latter students are significantly worse off: they are less selectively chosen, typically have lower test scores (one surmises, although acceptance rates and average test scores for the Combined Plan and General Studies are well-kept secrets), tend to come from less prosperous backgrounds (as their higher rate of Pell grants shows), receive much stingier financial aid, and have considerably more difficulty graduating.

No one would design a university this way, but it has been the status quo at Columbia for years. The situation is tolerated only because it is not widely understood.”

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03/12/2022 15:10

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2022/03/07/an-investigation-of-the-facts-behind-columbias-u-s-news-ranking/

Columbia has been exposed! Go to Harvard!

“The picture coming into focus is that of a two-tier university, which educates, side by side in the same classrooms, two large and quite distinct groups of undergraduates: non-transfer students and transfer students. The former students lead privileged lives: they are very selectively chosen, boast top-notch test scores, tend to hail from the wealthier ranks of society, receive ample financial aid, and turn out very successfully as measured by graduation rates. The latter students are significantly worse off: they are less selectively chosen, typically have lower test scores (one surmises, although acceptance rates and average test scores for the Combined Plan and General Studies are well-kept secrets), tend to come from less prosperous backgrounds (as their higher rate of Pell grants shows), receive much stingier financial aid, and have considerably more difficulty graduating.

No one would design a university this way, but it has been the status quo at Columbia for years. The situation is tolerated only because it is not widely understood.”

Columbia math prof T: “Columbia has been exposed! All glory to my alma mater Harvard!”
Harvard: “Prof T, can you write up a paper to hide Harvard Extension?

https://youtu.be/WNV-znbRPa0

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03/12/2022 15:16

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“Columbia, however, does not issue a Common Data Set. This is highly unusual for a university of its stature. Every other Ivy League school posts a Common Data Set on its website, as do all but eight of the universities among the top 100 in the U.S. News ranking.”

Hiding something? It’s so obvious, except to the Columbia boosters.

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03/12/2022 15:34

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Anonymous

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2022/03/07/an-investigation-of-the-facts-behind-columbias-u-s-news-ranking/

Columbia has been exposed! Go to Harvard!

“The picture coming into focus is that of a two-tier university, which educates, side by side in the same classrooms, two large and quite distinct groups of undergraduates: non-transfer students and transfer students. The former students lead privileged lives: they are very selectively chosen, boast top-notch test scores, tend to hail from the wealthier ranks of society, receive ample financial aid, and turn out very successfully as measured by graduation rates. The latter students are significantly worse off: they are less selectively chosen, typically have lower test scores (one surmises, although acceptance rates and average test scores for the Combined Plan and General Studies are well-kept secrets), tend to come from less prosperous backgrounds (as their higher rate of Pell grants shows), receive much stingier financial aid, and have considerably more difficulty graduating.

No one would design a university this way, but it has been the status quo at Columbia for years. The situation is tolerated only because it is not widely understood.”

Columbia math prof T: “Columbia has been exposed! All glory to my alma mater Harvard!”
Harvard: “Prof T, can you write up a paper to hide Harvard Extension?

https://youtu.be/WNV-znbRPa0

You told us the professor hated Harvard because of ROTC. Come up with a story and stick to it, Columbia booster.

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03/12/2022 15:49

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Anonymous

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2022/03/07/an-investigation-of-the-facts-behind-columbias-u-s-news-ranking/

Columbia has been exposed! Go to Harvard!

“The picture coming into focus is that of a two-tier university, which educates, side by side in the same classrooms, two large and quite distinct groups of undergraduates: non-transfer students and transfer students. The former students lead privileged lives: they are very selectively chosen, boast top-notch test scores, tend to hail from the wealthier ranks of society, receive ample financial aid, and turn out very successfully as measured by graduation rates. The latter students are significantly worse off: they are less selectively chosen, typically have lower test scores (one surmises, although acceptance rates and average test scores for the Combined Plan and General Studies are well-kept secrets), tend to come from less prosperous backgrounds (as their higher rate of Pell grants shows), receive much stingier financial aid, and have considerably more difficulty graduating.

No one would design a university this way, but it has been the status quo at Columbia for years. The situation is tolerated only because it is not widely understood.”

Columbia math prof T: “Columbia has been exposed! All glory to my alma mater Harvard!”
Harvard: “Prof T, can you write up a paper to hide Harvard Extension?

https://youtu.be/WNV-znbRPa0

You told us the professor hated Harvard because of ROTC. Come up with a story and stick to it, Columbia booster.

NP. This prof is totally confused.

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03/12/2022 15:50

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, from an overseas perspective. We lived in Asia and it is said "Harvard" is probably the most valuable 'brand name' in all of Asia. It's an instant door opener in the business community in some countries.

I think I'd also rather be a student in Cambridge than in New York. I love NY, but the idea of four years there in 'student mode' would be a bit rough.

That's interesting! We're a rather "Americanized" Asian family, so what we know about the Asian perspective on name brands has really only been hearsay. And yes, NYC really is quite overwhelming. DS's main concern is if all his Columbia classmates opt for NYC-based socializing instead of on-campus fun.

I didn't go to Columbia so take this with a grain of salt, but I went to a nearby Ivy and visited a friend at Columbia one weekend. The definite vibe was that Columbia students did their socializing off campus in the NY clubs. I did that for that one weekend and it was... well it was an experience. I was glad that was not my college experience.

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03/12/2022 15:57

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, from an overseas perspective. We lived in Asia and it is said "Harvard" is probably the most valuable 'brand name' in all of Asia. It's an instant door opener in the business community in some countries.

I think I'd also rather be a student in Cambridge than in New York. I love NY, but the idea of four years there in 'student mode' would be a bit rough.

That's interesting! We're a rather "Americanized" Asian family, so what we know about the Asian perspective on name brands has really only been hearsay. And yes, NYC really is quite overwhelming. DS's main concern is if all his Columbia classmates opt for NYC-based socializing instead of on-campus fun.

I didn't go to Columbia so take this with a grain of salt, but I went to a nearby Ivy and visited a friend at Columbia one weekend. The definite vibe was that Columbia students did their socializing off campus in the NY clubs. I did that for that one weekend and it was... well it was an experience. I was glad that was not my college experience.

This is not surprising to me at all when up to 1/3 of your classmates are over the age of 26.

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03/12/2022 15:59

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Harvard

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03/12/2022 19:13

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