US News 2020 rankings

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Anonymous wrote:How many spots up did Christopher Newport University move?

Regional rank went from 10 to 6.

[Anonymous]

So many angry UVA posters rearing their ugly heads. This is turning into a Michigan bashing forum. Maybe they will leave UMCP and ND alone now and focus their hate on Michigan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many angry UVA posters rearing their ugly heads. This is turning into a Michigan bashing forum. Maybe they will leave UMCP and ND alone now and focus their hate on Michigan.

Looks like they already have!

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Anonymous wrote:“So next step: there are 399 national universities out of which the top 25 are ranked. Of those top 25 ranked, 20 were in the top 25 in endowment per capita, including the top 19.”

Yep, huge correlation. Same story on the LAC side. I know as a parent who helped five kids develop their college lists that there’s a strong correlation between competitiveness for entry and endowment. Some outliers to be sure, but generally they align.

If there’s a correlation, competitiveness isn’t part of it because USNWR doesn’t use acceptance rate anymore.

I meant competitiveness not as a ratings factor but as indicator of difficulty gaining admission. I have a B student and trying to help him build a list of schools we’ve spent a lot of time in the CDS of various schools. Those with entering classes having higher test scores and greater percentages in the top decile/quartile/half of their HS classes tend to have higher endowments (and higher rankings).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“So next step: there are 399 national universities out of which the top 25 are ranked. Of those top 25 ranked, 20 were in the top 25 in endowment per capita, including the top 19.”

Yep, huge correlation. Same story on the LAC side. I know as a parent who helped five kids develop their college lists that there’s a strong correlation between competitiveness for entry and endowment. Some outliers to be sure, but generally they align.

If there’s a correlation, competitiveness isn’t part of it because USNWR doesn’t use acceptance rate anymore.

I meant competitiveness not as a ratings factor but as indicator of difficulty gaining admission. I have a B student and trying to help him build a list of schools we’ve spent a lot of time in the CDS of various schools. Those with entering classes having higher test scores and greater percentages in the top decile/quartile/half of their HS classes tend to have higher endowments (and higher rankings).

Except you said there’s a relationship between endowment and competitiveness. That isn’t really true with USNWR, particularly as they don’t use acceptance rate to calculate their ranking.

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Elon and CNU appear to be on the rise. They're on our list for safeties.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“So next step: there are 399 national universities out of which the top 25 are ranked. Of those top 25 ranked, 20 were in the top 25 in endowment per capita, including the top 19.”

Yep, huge correlation. Same story on the LAC side. I know as a parent who helped five kids develop their college lists that there’s a strong correlation between competitiveness for entry and endowment. Some outliers to be sure, but generally they align.

If there’s a correlation, competitiveness isn’t part of it because USNWR doesn’t use acceptance rate anymore.

I meant competitiveness not as a ratings factor but as indicator of difficulty gaining admission. I have a B student and trying to help him build a list of schools we’ve spent a lot of time in the CDS of various schools. Those with entering classes having higher test scores and greater percentages in the top decile/quartile/half of their HS classes tend to have higher endowments (and higher rankings).

Except you said there’s a relationship between endowment and competitiveness. That isn’t really true with USNWR, particularly as they don’t use acceptance rate to calculate their ranking.

You misunderstand the meaning of correlation.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is a garbage commuter school. It should be ranked 75, not 25. UVA has a 1550 SAT average while Umich is only 1250 average, how is UVA ranked lower? what a joke ranking.

??

Not a Michigan booster, but I just had to look this one up. Did I miss something?

Michigan average ACT/SAT:
30-34
1330-1510

UVA average ACT/SAT:
30-34
1330-1500

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan is a garbage commuter school. It should be ranked 75, not 25. UVA has a 1550 SAT average while Umich is only 1250 average, how is UVA ranked lower? what a joke ranking.

??

Not a Michigan booster, but I just had to look this one up. Did I miss something?

Michigan average ACT/SAT:
30-34
1330-1510

UVA average ACT/SAT:
30-34
1330-1500

Only that pp is a moron. UVA with 1550 average SAT. Riiiiight. Not sure even Caltech or MIT are there.

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Can we move the Michigan versus UVA debate to another thread please. So stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we move the Michigan versus UVA debate to another thread please. So stupid.

It’s every thread these days.

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Anonymous wrote:Elon and CNU appear to be on the rise. They're on our list for safeties.

I have a hard time making sense of the "regional universities" category-- JMU always does well for this in VA and CNU is rising in it, but that category means they can never be more than a regional school? Not that it can't be a fantastic school for those that want that, but I don't quite get why JMU will always be a regional school while GMU is a national university. And what are the implications for that? It seems like the regional category puts a strong upper limit on growth/status potential.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon and CNU appear to be on the rise. They're on our list for safeties.

I have a hard time making sense of the "regional universities" category-- JMU always does well for this in VA and CNU is rising in it, but that category means they can never be more than a regional school? Not that it can't be a fantastic school for those that want that, but I don't quite get why JMU will always be a regional school while GMU is a national university. And what are the implications for that? It seems like the regional category puts a strong upper limit on growth/status potential.

I believe schools "graduate" from being a regional. I believe it's whete your students originate. Just this year Elon moved from regional to National University.

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Anonymous wrote:Lost in all this debate are the rankings of schools that 95% of the people on this forum may actually attend. Some interesting changes both up and down.

Pitt - 70 to 57
Florida State 70 to 57
Indiana 89 to 79
Buffalo 89 to 79

BYU 63 to 77
UC Santa Cruz 70 to 84
Clark 66 to 91
TCU 80 to 97
Yeshiva 80 to 97

Several Schools moved from the Regional to National Ranking:
Santa Clara - 54
Loyola Marymount - 64
Gonzaga - 79
Elon - 84

I noticed Pitts rise too. A number of TJ kids are enrolling. Mason dropped around 20 spots too

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon and CNU appear to be on the rise. They're on our list for safeties.

I have a hard time making sense of the "regional universities" category-- JMU always does well for this in VA and CNU is rising in it, but that category means they can never be more than a regional school? Not that it can't be a fantastic school for those that want that, but I don't quite get why JMU will always be a regional school while GMU is a national university. And what are the implications for that? It seems like the regional category puts a strong upper limit on growth/status potential.

You ask an interesting question. Elon was number one on the regional for some time and disappeared into the eighties on the “real” list this year. Not sure if they view that as a positive or a negative, however the website is spinning it. Santa Clara is probably much happier debuting at 54.